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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:59:47 GMT
Sevillanos que nos bote eh eh....puta Sevilla, puta capital...hay que quemar la Pizjuan, con todos los biris dentro,es el asco de mi vida y la llevo muy por dentro. lol
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 7, 2015 20:02:22 GMT
I hope so, but the vibes I am getting from my "sauces" is that SNZ and his dad are a pain, that the club have reached the end of their tether with them, that he has his heart set on a move to Sevilla and it is just a matter of Stoke and Sevilla agreeing a fee, and Stoke lining up a replacement (presumably Sergi Roberto). What compromise fee can you see, Jezza? Surely it'd have to be up around £6m, even if we were reluctantly prepared to wash our hands of him. If they aren't even prepared to go there, what do we do? It's got to be at least 6m quid you'd think, anything less and we may as well keep him. As I said earlier on the thread, they seem to have turned his head, and he is unlikely to want to settle down at Stoke and sign a new deal now. On such basis, if Sevilla continue to low ball us, we either wait it out in the hope that a better bid arrives by the end of August, or we keep hold of him and tell him he can run down his contract if he wants, but he has to get his head down and play for the club until then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:02:17 GMT
You mean keep him till January, where he signs a pre contract with a foreign club and spends the 2nd half of the season trying to avoid injury? Either sign him up on a new deal or sell for what we can get IMO. We're not going to get an equal quality replacement for what? £7mill? Keeping him will give us 12 months breathing space and in the grand scheme of premier league football, is £7million that much? It is when your club hasn't spent that kind of money on a single player for 3-4 years, and a grand total net spend in 2 years (? - without checking) I agree with the thinking financially, but worry about the squad dynamics should he stay and my scenario happen.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 7, 2015 20:04:48 GMT
We're not going to get an equal quality replacement for what? £7mill? Keeping him will give us 12 months breathing space and in the grand scheme of premier league football, is £7million that much? It is when your club hasn't spent that kind of money on a single player for 3-4 years, and a grand total net spend in 2 years (? - without checking) I agree with the thinking financially, but worry about the squad dynamics should he stay and my scenario happen. He's wanted out the past 2 seasons though hasn't he? That didn't seem to affect his performances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:05:50 GMT
The more I think about it, the more 6 mill doesn't sound way off the mark.
He's only got 1 year left and we can't exactly play the "he's our most valuable player" card when there's probably 5 others earning more than him.
Last year was the first time he won player of the season and the consensus was he got it almost by default due to lack of any other genuine candidates. Bojan and Moses we're in a different stratosphere to Fonz in shorter spells but both missed out due to injury. As for the other usual candidates, Begovic suffered a pretty big dip in form and Ryan wasn't quite at his best either (and was another to also suffer from injuries).
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of N'Zonzi and I don't want him to leave but we have to be realistic. He's probably worth closer to 10 mill but his contract situation isn't great and you don't want to keep a player who doesn't want to be here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:07:22 GMT
It is when your club hasn't spent that kind of money on a single player for 3-4 years, and a grand total net spend in 2 years (? - without checking) I agree with the thinking financially, but worry about the squad dynamics should he stay and my scenario happen. He's wanted out the past 2 seasons though hasn't he? That didn't seem to affect his performances. Yeah, but a bit of a difference if you sign a pre contract agreement and have it in the back of your mind for 5 months or so. Assuming it all happens, I reckon it could cause a bit of friction alongside, Glenn Whelan, for example. We saw how he dealt with Wollscheid at Blackburn. I don't think he'd hesitate to pull the trigger at a player who was backing out of tackles because he didn't want to get injured for his big money move in the summer. All conjecture of course.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 7, 2015 20:17:32 GMT
Quite agree, if Zonz wants to sign for Sevilla he will sign for Sevilla at a price Sevilla dictate, that's an unfortunate reality. It's pointless talking about keeping him next season and letting him go on a free (ironically this would be Zonz's best option!!) Why keep an under motivated player for a season and risk damage to team moral. The best we can hope for is another larger European side will express an interest very soon. I disagree. We are firmly in the driving seat. N'Zonzi and or his father want him to play for them this season as obviously they are in the CL. However, I very much doubt they'll be in the competition next year. There is nothing even guaranteeing that they will be in the UEFA Cup competition. It's only the last couple of years they've done well! It is a far less attractive proposition for a player of Zonzi's calibre. Which to me means if they want him they have to cough up and they know it and that is with them capitalising on their CL place. His father will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get it tied up this window so that his son gets the maximum exposure. We don't have to sell unless we want to and that will only happen at a price that pleases Mr Coates. The ball is quite firmly in our court and I say fuck em. Sorry mate we're very much back seat passengers. Zonz and Sevilla hold all the aces. Don't really understand the point you're trying to make to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:24:03 GMT
Sell him for around £6m if we can and get Sergi Roberto in.
We should not have to sell him below our valuation but with only 1 year remaining on his contract I think we should try to get as near to £6m as we can from Sevilla and then get rid of him. We don't want or need any player who doesn't want to be at the club and who could cause a lot of unrest and disruption amongst the team/squad.
Players come and go and Nzonzi is no different.
I am quite excited at the prospect of Sergi Roberto (if the rumours are true) and think he would be a good addition to the team.
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 20:31:14 GMT
I think I'm done here. Thanks for those who have been nice to me and good luck this year
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 7, 2015 20:32:06 GMT
For the record however, I believe N'Zonzi will sign a contract with us in the next two weeks(ish). I hope so, but the vibes I am getting from my "sauces" is that SNZ and his dad are a pain, that the club have reached the end of their tether with them, that he has his heart set on a move to Sevilla and it is just a matter of Stoke and Sevilla agreeing a fee, and Stoke lining up a replacement (presumably Sergi Roberto). You could be right but I'm a sucker for what the player himself says. The comments at the end of the season from him give me hope and I'll keep my fingers crossed mate.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jul 7, 2015 20:36:35 GMT
I think I'm done here. Thanks for those who have been nice to me and good luck this year Thanks for visiting our site,ignore people talking rubbish, we are always falling out with each other
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 20:38:15 GMT
I think I'm done here. Thanks for those who have been nice to me and good luck this year Thanks for visiting our site,ignore people talking rubbish, we are always falling out with each other Thanks, but it is quite hard for me to ignore 99% of comments
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Post by jeycov on Jul 7, 2015 20:42:32 GMT
The more I think about it, the more 6 mill doesn't sound way off the mark. He's only got 1 year left and we can't exactly play the "he's our most valuable player" card when there's probably 5 others earning more than him. Last year was the first time he won player of the season and the consensus was he got it almost by default due to lack of any other genuine candidates. Bojan and Moses we're in a different stratosphere to Fonz in shorter spells but both missed out due to injury. As for the other usual candidates, Begovic suffered a pretty big dip in form and Ryan wasn't quite at his best either (and was another to also suffer from injuries). Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of N'Zonzi and I don't want him to leave but we have to be realistic. He's probably worth closer to 10 mill but his contract situation isn't great and you don't want to keep a player who doesn't want to be here. I agree with all of this and Seville (or whoever) will get N'Zonzi at a good price. We are also in the buying market and will be / should be looking at players in similar situations re the remaining length of contracts. If it's an expensive job to replace him and we have the money for the "best fit player" then we go ahead
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 7, 2015 21:00:58 GMT
I disagree. We are firmly in the driving seat. N'Zonzi and or his father want him to play for them this season as obviously they are in the CL. However, I very much doubt they'll be in the competition next year. There is nothing even guaranteeing that they will be in the UEFA Cup competition. It's only the last couple of years they've done well! It is a far less attractive proposition for a player of Zonzi's calibre. Which to me means if they want him they have to cough up and they know it and that is with them capitalising on their CL place. His father will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get it tied up this window so that his son gets the maximum exposure. We don't have to sell unless we want to and that will only happen at a price that pleases Mr Coates. The ball is quite firmly in our court and I say fuck em. Sorry mate we're very much back seat passengers. Zonz and Sevilla hold all the aces. Don't really understand the point you're trying to make to be honest. I'm not making a point mate. Just that my opinion is there are several things that lie in our favour because of their situation and ours. 1. They're in the CL this next season and need to strengthen their ranks, NZ fits the bill, especially as they may be losing their best Midfielder! 2. We don't have to sell and for th pittance mentioned I doubt we will. Jezza however may have a point re our side being p'd off with his camp. 3. Sevilla must know that vs us in the EPL and the high wages we can pay that they are only an attractive option to NZ's camp this next season because of the CL. They might not even make the UEFA cup next season, who knows? They've only done well these last two years really. Their coach could naff off? I hope he fucking does! Again I feel this raises his price if they really want it tied up. They need to capitalise on their more attractive proposition this window! 4. NZ's dad is going to want him play there to increase his exposure for the French national team and the BIGGER clubs. Sevilla have a better record of unearthing talent that then go on to better things. This is a big pull for NZ's people obviously. However, if Jezza is right and his people have pissed on our chips then we're not going to be too eager to give them Their little slice of utopia unless the money is right or the sell on is heavily weighted in our favour!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 21:04:26 GMT
Thanks for visiting our site,ignore people talking rubbish, we are always falling out with each other Thanks, but it is quite hard for me to ignore 99% of comments Ah bless him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 21:26:16 GMT
Thanks for visiting our site,ignore people talking rubbish, we are always falling out with each other Thanks, but it is quite hard for me to ignore 99% of comments Well you started off alright .......
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Post by sportsman on Jul 7, 2015 21:31:53 GMT
Sell him for around £6m if we can and get Sergi Roberto in. We should not have to sell him below our valuation but with only 1 year remaining on his contract I think we should try to get as near to £6m as we can from Sevilla and then get rid of him. We don't want or need any player who doesn't want to be at the club and who could cause a lot of unrest and disruption amongst the team/squad. Players come and go and Nzonzi is no different. I am quite excited at the prospect of Sergi Roberto (if the rumours are true) and think he would be a good addition to the team. I'd sell him for £6 if we could get Roberto in.
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Post by ttownstokie on Jul 7, 2015 21:41:24 GMT
I think I'm done here. Thanks for those who have been nice to me and good luck this year Adios nena Attachment Deleted
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 7, 2015 22:00:18 GMT
Sorry mate we're very much back seat passengers. Zonz and Sevilla hold all the aces. Don't really understand the point you're trying to make to be honest. I'm not making a point mate. Just that my opinion is there are several things that lie in our favour because of their situation and ours. 1. They're in the CL this next season and need to strengthen their ranks, NZ fits the bill, especially as they may be losing their best Midfielder! 2. We don't have to sell and for th pittance mentioned I doubt we will. Jezza however may have a point re our side being p'd off with his camp. 3. Sevilla must know that vs us in the EPL and the high wages we can pay that they are only an attractive option to NZ's camp this next season because of the CL. They might not even make the UEFA cup next season, who knows? They've only done well these last two years really. Their coach could naff off? I hope he fucking does! Again I feel this raises his price if they really want it tied up. They need to capitalise on their more attractive proposition this window! 4. NZ's dad is going to want him play there to increase his exposure for the French national team and the BIGGER clubs. Sevilla have a better record of unearthing talent that then go on to better things. This is a big pull for NZ's people obviously. However, if Jezza is right and his people have pissed on our chips then we're not going to be too eager to give them Their little slice of utopia unless the money is right or the sell on is heavily weighted in our favour! Despite all what you've said. Zonz wants to go to Sevilla and there are no other offers, we'll take Sevilla's best offer. End of
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Post by kustokie on Jul 7, 2015 23:30:04 GMT
I agree. If memory serves me correctly, he had 2 1/2 very mediocre seasons and was slagged off royally for his poor attitude, being lazy and only capable of making sideways or backwards passes. He only showed his true potential in the second half of last season. I was in two minds as to whether we should make him play out his contract or get what we can for him now. On balance, if he only has an incentive to play well till January to attract a "bigger", I say we let him go and get what we can for him. N'Zonzi has been the best miffielder at SCFC since Alan Hudson. Anyone who thinks he was poor for his first two and a half years watches a different game to me. I never said he was poor, just mediocre and did not live up to his true potential until the second half of last season. Prior to that he was very patchy. Hudson was a true team player. N'zonzi is a greedy mard arse. I was fortunate to have seen Alan Hudson, N'Zonzi has the potential to be the best player since but he needs to show a more sustained performance.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 7, 2015 23:35:45 GMT
A tremendous blow for mark and his team. Oh ffs are you still around lad Yes pal. Thanks for the follow. Always good see the fake moyes pic up. Keep up the good work
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2015 23:37:12 GMT
Thanks for visiting our site,ignore people talking rubbish, we are always falling out with each other Thanks, but it is quite hard for me to ignore 99% of comments Oh don't go all precious on us now
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Post by retired1 on Jul 7, 2015 23:48:15 GMT
A move to,Seville wont get him into the French team.
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 7, 2015 23:58:59 GMT
I can't stand Seville FC now, between Kono and N'Zonzi they really get on me tits. And before the lectures start about how "they are just a club looking to better themselves and we would do the same blah blah blah ..." Save yourself the diatribe I refuse to be reasoned with. Vile club with despicable fans. End of.
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Post by enuntio on Jul 8, 2015 3:01:39 GMT
So exactly how much is the difference in selling a player cheaply and not selling a player cheaply who will then show his true colours and go for free a year later when the figure has been added to the tax sheet? Put him in the reserves and sing vile nasty songs about his father nFonzie will not be overly missed because our defensive formations are just a memory
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Post by Northy on Jul 8, 2015 3:33:09 GMT
Sorry mate we're very much back seat passengers. Zonz and Sevilla hold all the aces. Don't really understand the point you're trying to make to be honest. I'm not making a point mate. Just that my opinion is there are several things that lie in our favour because of their situation and ours. 1. They're in the CL this next season and need to strengthen their ranks, NZ fits the bill, especially as they may be losing their best Midfielder! 2. We don't have to sell and for th pittance mentioned I doubt we will. Jezza however may have a point re our side being p'd off with his camp. 3. Sevilla must know that vs us in the EPL and the high wages we can pay that they are only an attractive option to NZ's camp this next season because of the CL. They might not even make the UEFA cup next season, who knows? They've only done well these last two years really. Their coach could naff off? I hope he fucking does! Again I feel this raises his price if they really want it tied up. They need to capitalise on their more attractive proposition this window! 4. NZ's dad is going to want him play there to increase his exposure for the French national team and the BIGGER clubs. Sevilla have a better record of unearthing talent that then go on to better things. This is a big pull for NZ's people obviously. However, if Jezza is right and his people have pissed on our chips then we're not going to be too eager to give them Their little slice of utopia unless the money is right or the sell on is heavily weighted in our favour! They have a good pedigree in UEFA, they won it in 2006 and 2007, I was at the 2007 match at Hampden. 3 out of the last 10 years they have been in the CL, out of the remaining 7 they have won the UEFA cup 4 times, that is a good draw for any player who wants to play at a higher level to go to. He had a good season last season, but if he isn't signing then for me I'd let him go, take the money, add in the money for Bego and get that quality player like Roberto in the midfield.
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Post by smithy120106 on Jul 8, 2015 7:17:40 GMT
Any idea how much Sevilla's second offer is
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 8, 2015 8:10:01 GMT
Unconfirmed but Nzonzi refusing to travel to Asia according to FB
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 8, 2015 8:10:48 GMT
Any idea how much Sevilla's second offer is Not enough.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 8, 2015 8:12:27 GMT
Unconfirmed but Nzonzi refusing to travel to Asia according to FB Where have they said that? All I can see is them saying Bego doesn't want to go.
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