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Begovic
Apr 26, 2015 7:13:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 7:13:16 GMT
And on the flip side you were saying how Marshall was a world class keeper!!! How did that work out? Marshall has had another good season. He is excellent...I will be surprised if a Premier team don't come in for him in the summer, but apparently he doesn't want to leave Cardiff as his kids are settled and he enjoys living here. It's not so much that people are criticising Begovic's current form, that's fair enough, but most managers know that class is permanent and form is temporary. Have some faith in him if he really has been fantastic over the last couple of seasons, because that form will return soon enough. Why drop him and pi$$ him off if it's just a glitch. Butland is only young and his time will come soon enough. No player should ever be undroppable though and Begovic has made enough mistakes lately for Hughes to be justified in giving Butland a run in the side.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 7:23:26 GMT
I find it amazing that there isn't a single word on this thread about the defence that he's been playing behind. I'd be fucking jittery playing behind the ever changing back four this season, and especially playing behind Wollscheid. I can't remember a Stoke keeper playing with so many cock ups happening in front of him, especially from set pieces. Sort the back four out and you'll have the proper Bego back. OS. To a certain extent you raise a very valid point. However,most of Begovic's errors that I can think of this season have been basic bad goalkeeping,lapses in concentration that can only be blamed on him. He is still showing us glimpses of his superb talent,but is playing nowhere near the levels that he is capable of regardless of how unsettled the defence has been in front of him. He would benefit from a spell out of the team in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 7:27:57 GMT
I think Begovic needs dropping for the rest of the season to give Butland some gametime, and Hughes should consider sending Begovic on his summer leave early. He hasn't been the same all season since last summers world cup and hopefully an extended spell at home relaxing with his family should freshen him up for the next campaign. Ironically Bego's lacklustre form this year might actually work in our favour if it wards away suitors for a few years at least.
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Begovic
Apr 26, 2015 7:38:44 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 26, 2015 7:38:44 GMT
As with Joe Hart earlier in the season, Bego needs dropping. He's simply not playing well enough.
Any other position on the pitch and this would have happened a couple of games ago.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2015 8:05:43 GMT
I've just seen the goal on MOTD and, to be fair on Bego, it was a very difficult cross to deal with. The ball was spinning awkwardly and it bounce just in front of him as he went down. Yes he should have put his whole body over it or cleared it with his feet but, IMO, it was not the blunder that many are suggesting. Look at Guzan's fuck up ......that's a blunder and totally his fault.
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Begovic
Apr 26, 2015 9:08:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 9:08:20 GMT
Other players have been dropped for poor performance a goalkeeper is no different for me. I do however believe that we are going to keep playing him in order to keep him in the shop window. Let's face it he is certain to go at the end of the season so dropping him simply devalues him. We can all speculate about how good/bad Butland might be but until he gets a decent run in the first team we are never going to know.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Apr 26, 2015 9:46:31 GMT
Bego's head is elsewhere and he needs to stop thinking of the speculation around him..same scenario as last time he was dropped.
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Post by stokey127 on Apr 26, 2015 17:41:58 GMT
Bego has racked up an Olympic swimming pool of goodwill during his time with us but fuck me if he isn't burning through it at the moment! He is a liability every week Sunderland chealsea palace and we were lucky at west brom just recent but land is as good as a shot stopper sell sell sell and buy a top striker.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 26, 2015 18:00:11 GMT
My guess is that if Bego was already on a long-term contract Hughes would have dropped him by now and given Butland a chance.
But Hughes wants Bego to sign a new contract and dropping him isn't the best way of getting him to sign one.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 26, 2015 21:01:27 GMT
My guess is that if Bego was already on a long-term contract Hughes would have dropped him by now and given Butland a chance. But Hughes wants Bego to sign a new contract and dropping him isn't the best way of getting him to sign one. Or maybe he wants to get the best price for him this summer. We will get a better price if he puts in some great performances in our remaining games and he will be scouted by better clubs
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Begovic
Apr 26, 2015 21:14:53 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 26, 2015 21:14:53 GMT
No use leaving him in the shop window if he keeps dropping bollocks. That will only reduce his price. Bring Butland in for the Swansea game & see if that concentrates Begos mind for the Tottenham game.
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Begovic
Apr 27, 2015 6:34:25 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 27, 2015 6:34:25 GMT
Let him go answ sign pantillion as completion for butland brilliant attitude good keeper and not afraid of competing for the Jersey as he has done at Sunder land and Man Citt may the best man win
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Post by metalhead on Apr 27, 2015 9:21:39 GMT
Don't think it's fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Asmir is still a top keeper, and while form is temporary, class is permanent. If his head is gone, then it's perhaps time for pastures new.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 27, 2015 9:23:24 GMT
Bego's head is elsewhere and he needs to stop thinking of the speculation around him..same scenario as last time he was dropped. He's definitely in a world of his own lately.
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Post by Davef on Apr 27, 2015 9:24:12 GMT
Let him go answ sign pantillion as completion for butland brilliant attitude good keeper and not afraid of competing for the Jersey as he has done at Sunder land and Man Citt may the best man win Seriously, any chance of reading over your posts or spell checking them before you hit send?
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Begovic
Apr 27, 2015 9:42:44 GMT
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Post by philb on Apr 27, 2015 9:42:44 GMT
His mind definitely isn't on the job at the moment. We need to sort out this contract situation asap.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 27, 2015 9:47:59 GMT
Let him go answ sign pantillion as completion for butland brilliant attitude good keeper and not afraid of competing for the Jersey as he has done at Sunder land and Man Citt may the best man win Seriously, any chance of reading over your posts or spell checking them before you hit send? Spell checking isn't going to split blocks of continuous text into coherent sentences. He needs a PA to either write his stuff for him or proof read it before publication.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 28, 2015 9:15:18 GMT
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 28, 2015 16:19:35 GMT
Stoke are (rightly) doing their level best to get him to sign a new contract. Small wonder since he's the best goalkeeper we've had in decades. Just how does anyone think he'd feel about signing a new contract if he was dropped in favour of Butland? Those who suggest we bring in Butland for the next game to 'motivate' Bego for the following games are being totally disrespectful to both keepers IMO. If Butland comes in and plays a blinder, just why should he be dropped again for Bego. It's ridiculous to even suggest that Bego lacks motivation when he is currently looking for a lucrative new deal or a big move elsewhere. He couldn't possibly have GREATER motivation to perform. The truth is, he's been absolutely brilliant for Stoke but has performed a little below his best this season. That said, he's saved us far more points than he's cost us this season and he has earned, and deserves the backing of all Stoke fans with just 4 games to go this season. Massive, massive over-reaction from many IMO.
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Apr 28, 2015 17:35:04 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2015 17:35:04 GMT
I find it amazing that there isn't a single word on this thread about the defence that he's been playing behind. I'd be fucking jittery playing behind the ever changing back four this season, and especially playing behind Wollscheid. I can't remember a Stoke keeper playing with so many cock ups happening in front of him, especially from set pieces. Sort the back four out and you'll have the proper Bego back. OS. To a certain extent you raise a very valid point. However,most of Begovic's errors that I can think of this season have been basic bad goalkeeping,lapses in concentration that can only be blamed on him. He is still showing us glimpses of his superb talent,but is playing nowhere near the levels that he is capable of regardless of how unsettled the defence has been in front of him. He would benefit from a spell out of the team in my opinion. The mistakes that begovic has been making have nothing to do with the defence in front of him. His mistakes are symptomatic of a player whose head "isn't in the game ". Sloppy handling, I'll thought out distribution and poor decision making when in total control of a situation. He saved a routine low shot, straight at him, with his face on Saturday. That is nothing other than a complete lack of concentration which has been symptomatic of his performances all season.
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Post by stokey127 on Apr 28, 2015 18:27:09 GMT
I agree totally 1 little new signing in the back 4 is shit but begos mistakes are self made and costing us loads of points. But land good keeper let's make some money out of Bego while we can before everyone in the prem sees he is a liability and spend on a striker.
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Begovic
Apr 28, 2015 18:55:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 18:55:07 GMT
To a certain extent you raise a very valid point. However,most of Begovic's errors that I can think of this season have been basic bad goalkeeping,lapses in concentration that can only be blamed on him. He is still showing us glimpses of his superb talent,but is playing nowhere near the levels that he is capable of regardless of how unsettled the defence has been in front of him. He would benefit from a spell out of the team in my opinion. The mistakes that begovic has been making have nothing to do with the defence in front of him. His mistakes are symptomatic of a player whose head "isn't in the game ". Sloppy handling, I'll thought out distribution and poor decision making when in total control of a situation. He saved a routine low shot, straight at him, with his face on Saturday. That is nothing other than a complete lack of concentration which has been symptomatic of his performances all season. I know and my post that you have quoted totally agrees with everything you have said
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Begovic
Apr 28, 2015 20:52:36 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2015 20:52:36 GMT
The mistakes that begovic has been making have nothing to do with the defence in front of him. His mistakes are symptomatic of a player whose head "isn't in the game ". Sloppy handling, I'll thought out distribution and poor decision making when in total control of a situation. He saved a routine low shot, straight at him, with his face on Saturday. That is nothing other than a complete lack of concentration which has been symptomatic of his performances all season. I know and my post that you have quoted totally agrees with everything you have said I meant to quote the old fossil who blamed the defenders in front of him ;-)
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Post by intamevan on Apr 29, 2015 20:42:31 GMT
Interesting Stat: 2014/15 - Goalkeeper – Errors leading to goals
Robert Green, QPR – 6 Asmir Begovic, Stoke – 4 Tim Krul, Newcastle – 4 Tim Howard, Everton – 4 Joe Hart, Man City – 4 Brad Guzan, Aston Villa – 4 Ben Foster, West Brom – 3 Vito Mannone, Sunderland – 3 Wojciech Szczesny, Arsenal – 3
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Post by jeycov on Apr 29, 2015 20:44:06 GMT
Interesting Stat: 2014/15 - Goalkeeper – Errors leading to goals Robert Green, QPR – 6 Asmir Begovic, Stoke – 4 Tim Krul, Newcastle – 4 Tim Howard, Everton – 4 Joe Hart, Man City – 4 Brad Guzan, Aston Villa – 4 Ben Foster, West Brom – 3 Vito Mannone, Sunderland – 3 Wojciech Szczesny, Arsenal – 3 Mistakes happen in front of a GK before he gets chance to make one!
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 29, 2015 20:46:36 GMT
He's on the radio again tonight.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 29, 2015 22:06:00 GMT
I hate people who complain when a goalie makes the odd mistake. I'd back Bego week in week out to have more good games than bad
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Apr 29, 2015 22:08:59 GMT
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Post by Silkystoke on Apr 29, 2015 22:08:59 GMT
Interesting Stat: 2014/15 - Goalkeeper – Errors leading to goals Robert Green, QPR – 6 Asmir Begovic, Stoke – 4 Tim Krul, Newcastle – 4 Tim Howard, Everton – 4 Joe Hart, Man City – 4 Brad Guzan, Aston Villa – 4 Ben Foster, West Brom – 3 Vito Mannone, Sunderland – 3 Wojciech Szczesny, Arsenal – 3 Mistakes happen in front of a GK before he gets chance to make one! The same as Hart and 1 more than Szczzzesny, the point is....?????
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 30, 2015 0:08:48 GMT
Mistakes happen in front of a GK before he gets chance to make one! The same as Hart and 1 more than Szczzzesny, the point is....????? I think he's merely just pointing out the fact that all keepers make mistakes not just ours.
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Apr 30, 2015 6:49:48 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 30, 2015 6:49:48 GMT
No use leaving him in the shop window if he keeps dropping bollocks. That will only reduce his price. Bring Butland in for the Swansea game & see if that concentrates Begos mind for the Tottenham game. Bit late for that. Hes gone from top 3-5 keeper in the league to bottom half this season. Noone is going to come in at top dollar for him this summer at least.
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