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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:43:58 GMT
The only way that Britain could ever come out of the EU smelling of roses is if it all collapsed and all countries abandoned it .... To be fair it's not far off, ask Spain, Ireland, Greece and many others who are all but bankrupt
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 14:44:17 GMT
True but there are few with that kind of money and are far outnumbered by the poor who hate the EU and the things they stand for, so if only a percentage vote it could be enough to swing it. Yes , but the average man in the street does not appreciate what vast amounts of cash that is generated by the Banks and Insurance industries being based in this country . If we we were to leave the EU this would mean that the Euro zone would effectively prize all this from our grasp,and base it all in Brussels or Berlin . A closed shop unanimously agreed by all its members apart from one ....Us ! That's why we cannot afford to go it alone . These two sectors are worth more than several African countries GDP on their own ....! A fifth of our tax take and hundreds of thousands of well paid jobs , plus all the knock on negatives . All the manufacturing companies that rely on our free access to the eurozone would relocate or face paying punitive import tariffs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:44:43 GMT
Yes , but the average man in the street does not appreciate what vast amounts of cash that is generated by the Banks and Insurance industries being based in this country . If we we were to leave the EU this would mean that the Euro zone would effectively prize all this from our grasp,and base it all in Brussels or Berlin . A closed shop unanimously agreed by all its members apart from one ....Us ! That's why we cannot afford to go it alone . These two sectors are worth more than several African countries GDP on their own ....! I know but the average pisshead dunna care so will vote for other reasons, i.e. to stop immigrants coming over. That's true , but again the real problem is not necessarily those immigrants from Europe , it's the deficit caused by those from outside the EU .£120 Billion over the last 17 years . The political trend now is for both major parties to shy away from encouraging immigration for a variety of reasons . The only ones who are still banging the drum is Clegg's gang .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:50:15 GMT
UKIP sounds great ...Farage is a great orator ...some very sensible ideas ...
But that is all it is .
Looks good , sounds good , but is catastrophic for the country .
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Post by upthefud on Mar 31, 2015 14:50:49 GMT
I'm voting UKIP but reckon the Tories will win with relative ease
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:02:45 GMT
Don't you mean won't be allowed to leave? It would be suicidle fraise as I'm sure you know , the country will haemorrhage jobs I totally disagree, there would be some risks but, I turn there would be a whole world of benefits
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:15:38 GMT
I'm voting UKIP but reckon the Tories will win with relative ease I'm voting ukip, but think the Labour Party will win, everyone is believing too much in the recent polls.......I believe a lot of ukip voters who would possibly vote tory have gone to ground due to the leftwing attacks and media labelling its a sad state of affairs that there is no difference in lib lab con parties .....if that cunt cameron had a spine he would have had a straight in / out referendum he originally promised as soon as he became PM .......it would be all over now and his party and voters wouldn't be split
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 16:18:34 GMT
I'm voting UKIP but reckon the Tories will win with relative ease I'm voting ukip, but think the Labour Party will win, everyone is believing too much in the recent polls.......I believe a lot of ukip voters who would possibly vote tory have gone to ground due to the leftwing attacks and media labelling its a sad state of affairs that there is no difference in lib lab con parties .....if that cunt cameron had a spine he would have had a straight in / out referendum he originally promised as soon as he became PM .......it would be all over now and his party and voters wouldn't be split And most likely unemployed
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Post by Northy on Mar 31, 2015 16:23:02 GMT
I'm voting UKIP but reckon the Tories will win with relative ease its a sad state of affairs that there is no difference in lib lab con parties ..... I think you'll find there is, especially around the economy (tax and spend) welfare, trident, imigration
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:28:35 GMT
It's immaterial,what UKIPs proposed plans are ....We might as well talk about the weather .
That's the bottom line ...the same for the greens and Liberals do-dars
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:30:17 GMT
its a sad state of affairs that there is no difference in lib lab con parties ..... I think you'll find there is, especially around the economy (tax and spend) welfare, trident, imigration Immigration? that's got to be tongue in cheek? actually so has the rest
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 16:32:57 GMT
I think you'll find there is, especially around the economy (tax and spend) welfare, trident, imigration Immigration? that's got to be tongue in cheek? actually so has the rest Nigel should cut his loses win a Tory seat and be party leader in 5 years otherwise it's the wilderness for him
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Post by kinetic on Mar 31, 2015 16:33:42 GMT
If that is the case do you think Labour will dump Millband, and if so are there any dark horses waiting to pounce. I must admit my knowledge of MP's is tiny now, since I left some 6 yrs ago. The key is the economy, an interesting survey recently said that even a majority of labour supporters don't think they can run the countries finances, milibland has a massive credibility problem and I don't see how he could survive if they can't win a majority. Not sure if there is a stand out candidate to replace him though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:35:36 GMT
Voters have two choices. Milliband or Cameron.
If people don't want Milliband but don't want to vote Tory they may not really have a choice and vice versa.
The alternative this time may be too horrific to contemplate.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2015 16:36:06 GMT
The key is the economy, an interesting survey recently said that even a majority of labour supporters don't think they can run the countries finances, milibland has a massive credibility problem and I don't see how he could survive if they can't win a majority. Not sure if there is a stand out candidate to replace him though He's cute
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:38:00 GMT
Dave's referrendum plan is a stitch up
Apparently EU citizens over here will be allowed to vote, and he's hatching a plan to allow 16 - 17 yr olds to also vote
Pointless voting red or blue
They're just taking the piss out of you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:41:47 GMT
I hope they do well . I hope that the message they put out is nailed down . It's all about immigration . The facts of the matter are quite simply that we cannot absorb the current levels as service sectors are already at breaking point and there has to be some drastic reductions . It has to be brought down into the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands . There is simply not enough slack in the system to cope . All major parties are now embracing this , but are simply fighting against a brick wall of European beaurocracy. This is Farages forte as we all know .....he can smash it all to bits ...., but then again so could I . It doesn't mean he could run the country . All his candidates are weak poor specimens looking towards the glory and the wage . They cannot form a credible force in BRitish politics . They are merely a protest vote .
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Post by kinetic on Mar 31, 2015 16:43:51 GMT
Tony the Bear....Peace envoy to the M East
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:49:32 GMT
I hope they do well . I hope that the message they put out is nailed down . It's all about immigration . The facts of the matter are quite simply that we cannot absorb the current levels as service sectors are already at breaking point and there has to be some drastic reductions . It has to be brought down into the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands . There is simply not enough slack in the system to cope . All major parties are now embracing this , but are simply fighting against a brick wall of European beaurocracy. This is Farages forte as we all know .....he can smash it all to bits ...., but then again so could I . It doesn't mean he could run the country . All his candidates are weak poor specimens looking towards the glory and the wage . They cannot form a credible force in BRitish politics . They are merely a protest vote . Not all candidates
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Post by kinetic on Mar 31, 2015 16:49:47 GMT
I hope they do well . I hope that the message they put out is nailed down . It's all about immigration . The facts of the matter are quite simply that we cannot absorb the current levels as service sectors are already at breaking point and there has to be some drastic reductions . It has to be brought down into the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands . There is simply not enough slack in the system to cope . All major parties are now embracing this , but are simply fighting against a brick wall of European beaurocracy. This is Farages forte as we all know .....he can smash it all to bits ...., but then again so could I . It doesn't mean he could run the country . All his candidates are weak poor specimens looking towards the glory and the wage . They cannot form a credible force in BRitish politics . They are merely a protest vote . Bit tired here so might be wrong ?? Has there ever been a proppa referendum on the UK taking on laws from Brussels.. The Maastricht Treaty don't count either that was about trade.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 31, 2015 16:50:57 GMT
On Europe even keep getting promised 3 times now never happens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:51:31 GMT
Tony the Bear....Peace envoy to the M East Exactly, more proof of the bullshit world we are made to believe in
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 16:52:22 GMT
No , because that's decided by MEPS. They sit around whilst Nige takes the piss out of them ...Good on him .
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Post by kinetic on Mar 31, 2015 17:04:49 GMT
Well I don't know what say
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 17:26:18 GMT
Well I don't know what say I paused it at 5.10 when the blonde bent over very nice
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 17:40:04 GMT
I think you know what you get with conservatives and it seems to work even if it does not please everyone. I don't vote for what suits myself, but everyone. The problem with too many is they want to know the maximum amount of money they can claim and mainly choose labour because of this. Conservatives create more jobs and the country will become stronger in the future. I have a shit paid job but at least i have a job. If labour get in it will become another guessing game weather their plan will work or not. The rich may get richer but they will regardless of who are in charge. The deficit obviously needs to be cleared as quickly as possible and unfortunately for a lot of people conservatives are the best option.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 31, 2015 19:02:10 GMT
Well I don't know what say I paused it at 5.10 when the blonde bent over very nice Missed it he's fucking funny though.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 31, 2015 19:56:34 GMT
This ones my favourite.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 31, 2015 21:43:10 GMT
Will be doing everything I can to avoid this meaningless crap. That's good to hear. Never said it would be easy, mind ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 22:24:38 GMT
I doubt if there's many people out there who are 100%. happy with their political party of choice apart from perhaps the Greens ...
I don't look at politics these days to score political points but what I do look at is the leaders image .
Cameron started off looking pretty eloquent and commanding , but looks distinctly rattled and nervous about going into battle .
Milliband looks more bouyant just recently , but to base your election prospects solely around one issue ...the state of the national health service and what you intend to do about it is a very high risk and tentative strategy . People want to see more broader issues explored , in particular narrowing the gap between the rich and poor . They want to see tighter controls on immigration , better pay and better job prospects . They want to see a better standard of living and the HS2 rail link scrapped. Savings 30 minutes travelling time between London and Manchester means fuck all . That time could just as easily be filled by using a laptop or video conferencing . The whole idea is a completely flawed plan . Agreeing with the Tories plans just to fit in with a pro business ideology is effectively making Labour look just as naive and stupid . This new rail link should have been 25 years ago and now we are simply playing catch up . The money would be better spent on renewing existing carriages with more of them. This new proposed service is already way over initial budgeting and will,only be used by business travellers . It will not be used by your average commuter as a result of the extortionate ticket pricing.
But I digress....Nick Clegg . What can I say ....not a lot . The party is finished . It's over . All things to all men , and yet they are likely to finish behind UKIP with not a cat in hells chance of reversing the trend.
Farage ....great orator , good politician , excellent ideas but a very weak shambles of a party charging forwards head downwards....
Some may cruelly suggest Ostrich like ....
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