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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 30, 2015 7:39:11 GMT
Why ask the fucking question if you don't like the answer? The current government are helping many of the poor by creating conditions that allows millions more jobs to be created. Typical Labour voters...vote them in....it all goes tits up...and yet everyone else is to blame. Fucking idiots. Cheers for that.
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 7:44:05 GMT
God, what a hard hearted capitalist I am, actually wanting to take some of my pitiful wage home. Thank the Lord the good guys will be back in soon to make everything good again. Keep voting Labour, keep getting a wanky council that couldn't run a fucking bath; that's the message, is it? No. The message from all Lefties is 'Vote Labour or you're a selfish cunt' They would have no issue with you keeping your money if you voted Labour but daring to believe that any other party may be the way forward for you and the country simply will not do.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 8:03:36 GMT
Why ask the fucking question if you don't like the answer? The current government are helping many of the poor by creating conditions that allows millions more jobs to be created. Typical Labour voters...vote them in....it all goes tits up...and yet everyone else is to blame. Fucking idiots. What question did I ask?
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 8:12:54 GMT
Why ask the fucking question if you don't like the answer? The current government are helping many of the poor by creating conditions that allows millions more jobs to be created. Typical Labour voters...vote them in....it all goes tits up...and yet everyone else is to blame. Fucking idiots. What question did I ask? And how are this lot 'protecting the most vulnerable members of society'? Another Left trait....forget anything that you've ever written before. Lukey boy will be so proud.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 8:14:39 GMT
And how are this lot 'protecting the most vulnerable members of society'? Another Left trait....forget anything that you've ever written before. Lukey boy will be so proud. Trickydicky wasn't replying to that post was he? And he certainly wasn't answering that question.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 30, 2015 8:27:05 GMT
I think Miliband is quite a smart guy and I like what he has to say.
Unfortunately he looks like a wally and his background is Eton and born with a silver spoon. For that reason its just not possible to warm to the fella.
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 8:32:02 GMT
And how are this lot 'protecting the most vulnerable members of society'? Another Left trait....forget anything that you've ever written before. Lukey boy will be so proud. Trickydicky wasn't replying to that post was he? And he certainly wasn't answering that question. He responded directly to the post about where you said the current government were targetting the poor and he commented that he pays less tax now than ever before despite being on low pay. I'd say that was protecting some of our vulnerable.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 8:37:16 GMT
Trickydicky wasn't replying to that post was he? And he certainly wasn't answering that question. He responded directly to the post about where you said the current government were targetting the poor and he commented that he pays less tax now than ever before despite being on low pay. I'd say that was protecting some of our vulnerable. Without knowing what his pay or circumstances are it's impossible to know isn't it? How do taxing disability benefits and reducing eligibility for carers' allowance fit under the 'caring for the vulnerable' bracket?
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 8:45:10 GMT
He responded directly to the post about where you said the current government were targetting the poor and he commented that he pays less tax now than ever before despite being on low pay. I'd say that was protecting some of our vulnerable. Without knowing what his pay or circumstances are it's impossible to know isn't it? How do taxing disability benefits and reducing eligibility for carers' allowance fit under the 'caring for the vulnerable' bracket? He's told us he's on low pay hasn't he and you do know that the tax threshold has increased. They have made working at the low end pay bracket more attractive to get people into work. Some may argue that disability benefits and carers' allowance were too high before. It's all subjective. It's totally ridiculous to say they are targetting the poor though when they are taking many of the low paid out of tax. It's just typical, lazy left bollocks as usual.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 8:49:45 GMT
Without knowing what his pay or circumstances are it's impossible to know isn't it? How do taxing disability benefits and reducing eligibility for carers' allowance fit under the 'caring for the vulnerable' bracket? He's told us he's on low pay hasn't he and you do know that the tax threshold has increased. They have made working at the low end pay bracket more attractive to get people into work. Some may argue that disability benefits and carers' allowance were too high before. It's all subjective. It's totally ridiculous to say they are targetting the poor though when they are taking many of the low paid out of tax. It's just typical, lazy left bollocks as usual. 'Low pay' is subjective isn't it? Compared to who? What would be the argument that disability benefits were too high then? Feel free to make a case for that and spell it out to stupid, lazy old me.
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 9:09:04 GMT
He's told us he's on low pay hasn't he and you do know that the tax threshold has increased. They have made working at the low end pay bracket more attractive to get people into work. Some may argue that disability benefits and carers' allowance were too high before. It's all subjective. It's totally ridiculous to say they are targetting the poor though when they are taking many of the low paid out of tax. It's just typical, lazy left bollocks as usual. 'Low pay' is subjective isn't it? Compared to who? What would be the argument that disability benefits were too high then? Feel free to make a case for that and spell it out to stupid, lazy old me. I'm not saying that disability payments are too high or too low but it would be pretty straightforward to make a case for a whole raft of benefits being too high given our massive deficit. Low pay is subjective but you know as well as I do that a whole host of people now pay less tax because of the threshold being increased at the lowest banding. This should improve the finances of all those on the lowest pay.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 9:21:26 GMT
'Low pay' is subjective isn't it? Compared to who? What would be the argument that disability benefits were too high then? Feel free to make a case for that and spell it out to stupid, lazy old me. I'm not saying that disability payments are too high or too low but it would be pretty straightforward to make a case for a whole raft of benefits being too high given our massive deficit. Low pay is subjective but you know as well as I do that a whole host of people now pay less tax because of the threshold being increased at the lowest banding. This should improve the finances of all those on the lowest pay. You said some may argue that disability and carer's allowances were too high. What's the argument those people would make, and do you think it carries water?
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 9:24:57 GMT
I'm not saying that disability payments are too high or too low but it would be pretty straightforward to make a case for a whole raft of benefits being too high given our massive deficit. Low pay is subjective but you know as well as I do that a whole host of people now pay less tax because of the threshold being increased at the lowest banding. This should improve the finances of all those on the lowest pay. You said some may argue that disability and carer's allowances were too high. What's the argument those people would make, and do you think it carries water? No. All you are doing is to try and deflect from the ludicrous claims that the Tories are out to victimise all the poor and needy. Quite clearly this is not the case.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 9:30:41 GMT
You said some may argue that disability and carer's allowances were too high. What's the argument those people would make, and do you think it carries water? No. All you are doing is to try and deflect from the ludicrous claims that the Tories are out to victimise all the poor and needy. Quite clearly this is not the case. No what?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 30, 2015 9:32:42 GMT
Highly regulated wasn't that what they said about the banks? What does the most harm to society a Karl Henry tweet or ethically questionable bookmakers ? No, quite the opposite. For years the mantra was "light touch regulation". The body which was supposed to keep an eye on them (the FSA) and help protect consumers was staffed by bankers, run by bankers, for the benefit of bankers. It's generally accepted that one of the key factors in the global financial crash was too little effective regulation and oversight of the financial industry. The light touch regulation refers to the application of the regulations not those in existence, the FSA set up by Labour and mismanaged by Labour failed to apply these regulations.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 30, 2015 9:37:29 GMT
That's ok then as long as he pays tax, let's ignore how the money is made from some of the poorest in society. I expect to see no more criticism of moral free banks on the same basis then. Hang on, are you saying that because he's not criticizing Bet365 because they pay their tax, therefore he shouldn't criticize banks? Even when they make money by avoiding tax and helping others to do so? How does that follow? I'm saying companies paying tax doesn't absolve them from moral or ethical criticism of how and from whom they make their money from.
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 9:38:05 GMT
No. All you are doing is to try and deflect from the ludicrous claims that the Tories are out to victimise all the poor and needy. Quite clearly this is not the case. No what? No, I'm not making specific arguments about whether or not disability benefits are too high.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 9:44:08 GMT
No, I'm not making specific arguments about whether or not disability benefits are too high. Why mention that some people would argue they were in the first place then?
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Post by mcf on Mar 30, 2015 9:52:07 GMT
No, I'm not making specific arguments about whether or not disability benefits are too high. Why mention that some people would argue they were in the first place then? You are trying to make out that all Tory actions are trying to penalise people. I'm sure some do and some don't. Just because they do, doesn't make them wrong. Cuts have to be made but there seems to be some daft Left rule where people think Tory cuts are cruel against the poor and yet Labour ones would be done with a heavy heart.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 9:58:54 GMT
Why mention that some people would argue they were in the first place then? You are trying to make out that all Tory actions are trying to penalise people. I'm sure some do and some don't. Just because they do, doesn't make them wrong. Cuts have to be made but there seems to be some daft Left rule where people think Tory cuts are cruel against the poor and yet Labour ones would be done with a heavy heart. God knows it's hard to have faith in the Labour Party today but don't pretend this government hasn't targeted the poorer sections of society with its cuts.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 10:06:33 GMT
Cuts in any form are sure to affect public spending , by there very nature it will affect the people who rely one them . Universal benefits need to be controlled and properly targeted to those in most need . Some universal benefits are now taxed child benefit for instance, I don't have a problem with this
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 30, 2015 11:22:01 GMT
Hang on, are you saying that because he's not criticizing Bet365 because they pay their tax, therefore he shouldn't criticize banks? Even when they make money by avoiding tax and helping others to do so? How does that follow? I'm saying companies paying tax doesn't absolve them from moral or ethical criticism of how and from whom they make their money from. Oh ok, fair enough. But we're still allowed to criticize tax-avoiding banks, right?
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 11:40:13 GMT
I'm saying companies paying tax doesn't absolve them from moral or ethical criticism of how and from whom they make their money from. Oh ok, fair enough. But we're still allowed to criticize tax-avoiding banks, right? All companies try to pay as little tax as possible, they have an army of accountants and tax lawyers employed for that sole purpose., looking for loopholes to exploit . The fact is financial services in this country is one of the few success stories despite the financial crash the banks contribute about a fifth of the total tax revenue.all governments have handled the financial sector with kid gloves . London is the pre eminent financial centre in the world , the last thing we need is for any of the international banks to relocate in Frankfurt. The Germans would role out the red carpet for them
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 11:52:04 GMT
Oh ok, fair enough. But we're still allowed to criticize tax-avoiding banks, right? All companies try to pay as little tax as possible, they have an army of accountants and tax lawyers employed for that sole purpose., looking for loopholes to exploit . The fact is financial services in this country is one of the few success stories despite the financial crash the banks contribute about a fifth of the total tax revenue.all governments have handled the financial sector with kid gloves . London is the pre eminent financial centre in the world , the last thing we need is for any of the international banks to relocate in Frankfurt. The Germans would role out the red carpet for them So fall over ourselves to protect the fuckwits who caused this and aim your gun at the people struggling to make ends meet. Sickening.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 11:54:22 GMT
All companies try to pay as little tax as possible, they have an army of accountants and tax lawyers employed for that sole purpose., looking for loopholes to exploit . The fact is financial services in this country is one of the few success stories despite the financial crash the banks contribute about a fifth of the total tax revenue.all governments have handled the financial sector with kid gloves . London is the pre eminent financial centre in the world , the last thing we need is for any of the international banks to relocate in Frankfurt. The Germans would role out the red carpet for them So fall over ourselves to protect the fuckwits who caused this and aim your gun at the people struggling to make ends meet. Sickening. You have a gift for misinterpretation
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 11:55:58 GMT
So fall over ourselves to protect the fuckwits who caused this and aim your gun at the people struggling to make ends meet. Sickening. You have a gift for misinterpretation Again, you're going to have to spell it out for me Harry because your posts on the thread seem to suggest you think it's fine to protect the rich while if we have to fuck the poor it's a case of "well, you can't make an omelette..."
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 12:04:04 GMT
You have a gift for misinterpretation Again, you're going to have to spell it out for me Harry because your posts on the thread seem to suggest you think it's fine to protect the rich while if we have to fuck the poor it's a case of "well, you can't make an omelette..." Absolutely not true as I've said we need to protect the people who need help , I would never support an attack on the poor or disadvantaged in our society , I do however think that wealth creation is the key to a healthy economy and a stable profitable banking sector is something we need to maintain, banking regulation needs to happen on a global scale not just in London or they just piss off elsewhere
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:09:11 GMT
Again, you're going to have to spell it out for me Harry because your posts on the thread seem to suggest you think it's fine to protect the rich while if we have to fuck the poor it's a case of "well, you can't make an omelette..." Absolutely not true as I've said we need to protect the people who need help , I would never support an attack on the poor or disadvantaged in our society , I do however think that wealth creation is the key to a healthy economy and a stable profitable banking sector is something we need to maintain, banking regulation needs to happen on a global scale not just in London or they just piss off elsewhere But you think this government's attitude to the disadvantaged is just fine?
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 12:26:22 GMT
Absolutely not true as I've said we need to protect the people who need help , I would never support an attack on the poor or disadvantaged in our society , I do however think that wealth creation is the key to a healthy economy and a stable profitable banking sector is something we need to maintain, banking regulation needs to happen on a global scale not just in London or they just piss off elsewhere But you think this government's attitude to the disadvantaged is just fine? As I've said I won't support any attack on disadvantaged people , but the system does need to be more effective in putting the money where it belongs , one example rob my 3 year old twins qualified for free milk formula because they were premature, we had it for about a year if I remember , Saved us a lot of money for no good reason . We didn't need the financial help
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:29:08 GMT
But you think this government's attitude to the disadvantaged is just fine? As I've said I won't support any attack on disadvantaged people , but the system does need to be more effective in putting the money where it belongs , one example rob my 3 year old twins qualified for free milk formula because they were premature, we had it for about a year if I remember , Saved us a lot of money for no good reason . We didn't need the financial help But I'm talking about the attacks on those that do, which you're curiously loath to discuss or criticise...
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