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Post by upthefud on May 23, 2015 0:51:09 GMT
Of course it will be for a better player. Like Moses was this year and Konoplianka could be next. Hughes has identified the LW position as one that needs strengthening because Arnie hasn't been able to prove himself. Really ? It's staggering that you could disagree with what I put. Arnie has had two full seasons here and had probably 4.5 good months. Not good enough
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Post by discokaraoke on May 23, 2015 1:02:03 GMT
I find it hard to believe how any Stoke fan can say he hasn't proved himself staggering! He has proved himself and is a class act! His only downfall ATM is consistency.
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Post by scfc5 on May 23, 2015 3:36:08 GMT
I find it hard to believe how any Stoke fan can say he hasn't proved himself staggering! He has proved himself and is a class act! His only downfall ATM is consistency. And the fact that very few from Russia/Ukraine have historically settled in English football...
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Post by Binndy on May 23, 2015 5:20:27 GMT
When he signs and we are considering a song for him.we could call him yanka.The english version of yevhen is Eugene and konoplyanka means finch, as in a breed of bird. So Eugene Finch. Who cares what he signs as on the dotted line. I think he will need to toughen up for the pl.He looks pacey and skillful.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 23, 2015 6:01:28 GMT
I find it hard to believe how any Stoke fan can say he hasn't proved himself staggering! He has proved himself and is a class act! His only downfall ATM is consistency. And the fact that very few from Russia/Ukraine have historically settled in English football... Wingie has done well in England. OK, he's Uzbek rather than Russian born but he has a Russian mother and spent his youth footballing years in Russia and his last senior club was in Russia before the move to West Brom. I think it is easy, and probably unfair, to stereotype players. I'm old enough to remember Clyde Best being held up as an example of why black players didn't have what it takes to be a success in English football. That prediction worked out well, didn't it?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 23, 2015 6:04:10 GMT
When he signs and we are considering a song for him.we could call him yanka.The english version of yevhen is Eugene and konoplyanka means finch, as in a breed of bird. So Eugene Finch. Who cares what he signs as on the dotted line. I think he will need to toughen up for the pl.He looks pacey and skillful. Konoplyanka actually means linnet - a specific finch (also found in the UK) where the cock bird has a red breast. linnetI get linnets, and their close cousins the redpolls, on the bird feeders in my garden.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 23, 2015 6:10:08 GMT
And the fact that very few from Russia/Ukraine have historically settled in English football... Wingie has done well in England. OK, he's Uzbek rather than Russian born but he has a Russian mother and spent his youth footballing years in Russia and his last senior club was in Russia before the move to West Brom. I think it is easy, and probably unfair, to stereotype players. I'm old enough to remember Clyde Best being held up as an example of why black players didn't have what it takes to be a success in English football. That prediction worked out well, didn't it? You're reaching there Forny, both with your example and you're comparison. Of course just because others haven't worked out doesn't mean he won't but there does seem to be a fair amount of evidence that players from that part of the world don't settle well here and it has been theorised on in terms of football and cultural differences. If you've read Behind the Curtain, Jonathan Wilson writes about it at length.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 23, 2015 6:24:41 GMT
Wingie has done well in England. OK, he's Uzbek rather than Russian born but he has a Russian mother and spent his youth footballing years in Russia and his last senior club was in Russia before the move to West Brom. I think it is easy, and probably unfair, to stereotype players. I'm old enough to remember Clyde Best being held up as an example of why black players didn't have what it takes to be a success in English football. That prediction worked out well, didn't it? You're reaching there Forny, both with your example and you're comparison. Of course just because others haven't worked out doesn't mean he won't but there does seem to be a fair amount of evidence that players from that part of the world don't settle well here and it has been theorised on in terms of football and cultural differences. If you've read Behind the Curtain, Jonathan Wilson writes about it at length. I'm sure there are cultural problems in many cases. Grapey. But I suspect the problem is more to do with whether the player comes from a family who are westward looking or one who regards Mother Russia as their natural protector. Ukraine is perhaps the prime example of the nature of the problem. Most Ukrainians (for simplicity lets call them those from the centre and the west) desperately want to hitch their waggon to Western Europe - they want to join the EU and live a westernised life style. Those from the east (or many of them) wish to be part of Russia or at least independent from the rest of Ukraine and allied to Russia. I suspect that players from Kiev and the west (e.g. Yarmolenko) and central (e.g. Konoplyanka) parts of Ukraine are more likely to easily embrace English/British culture/life style than their cousins to the east. As always, time will tell - and it will be interesting to watch developments.
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2015 6:44:51 GMT
There are quite a few Ukrainians in this area,they settled all right. Dunner Werrit
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Post by malteser68 on May 23, 2015 7:19:20 GMT
Russian players find it really hard to adapt and are rarely successful when playing for foreign clubs Great, but he's not Russian i know but he's ukrainian and they suffer from the same malaise
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Post by spartanstokie on May 23, 2015 7:50:12 GMT
He has to sign yet before anything else Let's sign him before we worry about attitude towards the English culture
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Post by stokiejoe on May 23, 2015 7:55:22 GMT
And the fact that very few from Russia/Ukraine have historically settled in English football... Wingie has done well in England. OK, he's Uzbek rather than Russian born but he has a Russian mother and spent his youth footballing years in Russia and his last senior club was in Russia before the move to West Brom. I think it is easy, and probably unfair, to stereotype players. I'm old enough to remember Clyde Best being held up as an example of why black players didn't have what it takes to be a success in English football. That prediction worked out well, didn't it? Yes I remember that too, just shows how silly such prejudice is.
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2015 8:42:02 GMT
No he didn't. Crouch cost 10 million with a healthy wage, whereas diouf would just be on a healthy wage. And before you mention any signing fees paid to Diouf, do you really believe that crouch wasn't also paid a significant amount for signing on? We were prepared to pay £8million for Diouf 12 months before he signed he and his agent both knew it so what figure do you think the agents fee and his signing on fee came too! One thing that you can rely on March4 being correct about is finance. (rofl)
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 8:50:58 GMT
Do we need him? He's a left winger on a lot of money, I'd say not overly so. He's brilliant bayern, well he has been every time I've seen him. I still don't think it's a priority and he would be on big money. If he was a right winger mind.....
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Post by bertiestan on May 23, 2015 9:25:10 GMT
I'm one of arnies biggest fans but he's better than arnie, if he was under contract he'd be valued at 15-20 mil. We have to be goin out after players like this to reach the next level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 9:29:39 GMT
As long as the 60/70k a week he'll be on couldn't be used for a right winger, right back or defensive midfielder then crack on.
If we skimp in those areas and sign this dude then it shouldn't happen.
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Post by bertiestan on May 23, 2015 9:33:12 GMT
As long as the 60/70k a week he'll be on couldn't be used for a right winger, right back or defensive midfielder then crack on. If we skimp in those areas and sign this dude then it shouldn't happen. We're not exactly blessed with a load of left wingers though are we? especially with Moses back at Chelsea, it just leaves arnie.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 9:57:03 GMT
As long as the 60/70k a week he'll be on couldn't be used for a right winger, right back or defensive midfielder then crack on. If we skimp in those areas and sign this dude then it shouldn't happen. We're not exactly blessed with a load of left wingers though are we? especially with Moses back at Chelsea, it just leaves arnie. And on the right we have one that isn't really good enough and one who aren't sure about. One of them needs to be got rid of. Arnie is fine for left, more than fine in fact. I'd say we're desperate for a right back and right winger not so a left winger.
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Post by bertiestan on May 23, 2015 10:00:56 GMT
I believe we're in the market for a right winger aswell bayern.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 10:02:44 GMT
We better be. I just think the money can be used better elsewhere. And I'd still go for Moses over this bloke tbh but play him on the right and then sign a younger lad to cover both wings and keep one of Walters/Wingie. Sorted.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 23, 2015 10:07:28 GMT
We better be. I just think the money can be used better elsewhere. And I'd still go for Moses over this bloke tbh but play him on the right and then sign a younger lad to cover both wings and keep one of Walters/Wingie. Sorted. Sidney Sam is my left footed right winger of choice Bayern! The poor man's Arjen Robben!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 10:11:11 GMT
We better be. I just think the money can be used better elsewhere. And I'd still go for Moses over this bloke tbh but play him on the right and then sign a younger lad to cover both wings and keep one of Walters/Wingie. Sorted. Sidney Sam is my left footed right winger of choice Bayern! The poor man's Arjen Robben! Yeah he seems the best out there and in our transfer budget (free).
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2015 10:14:09 GMT
Sidney Sam is my left footed right winger of choice Bayern! The poor man's Arjen Robben! Yeah he seems the best out there and in our transfer budget (free). Yeah Sam, Arnie, Moses and Odemwingie would make a very respectable 4 wouldn't they?
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Post by kevkj on May 23, 2015 10:15:24 GMT
Bayern what many including you fail to realise is we do not play a right winger in any form usually,the player on the right hand side,usually Walters tucks right in along side a forward or just behind a lot. Width from the right side comes from the full back normally coming late.
We attack with a forward player on the left hand sider ala Moses or Arnie.
Thats why that position is very important to us as is a decent right back with good distribution ala Tripper.
By the way bayern your still a CUNT.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 10:17:20 GMT
Yeah he seems the best out there and in our transfer budget (free). Yeah Sam, Arnie, Moses and Odemwingie would make a very respectable 4 wouldn't they? It would be bloody brilliant!
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2015 10:18:36 GMT
Bayern what many including you fail to realise is we do not play a right winger in any form usually,the player on the right hand side,usually Walters tucks right in along side a forward or just behind a lot. Width from the right side comes from the full back normally coming late. We attack with a forward player on the left hand sider ala Moses or Arnie. Thats why that position is very important to us as is a decent right back with good distribution ala Tripper. By the way bayern your still a CUNT....... Arnie's been played on the right on numerous occasions.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 23, 2015 10:18:49 GMT
Bayern what many including you fail to realise is we do not play a right winger in any form usually,the player on the right hand side,usually Walters tucks right in along side a forward or just behind a lot. Width from the right side comes from the full back normally coming late. We attack with a forward player on the left hand sider ala Moses or Arnie. Thats why that position is very important to us as is a decent right back with good distribution ala Tripper. By the way bayern your still a CUNT....... The player on that flank still has to have a trick or two and be able to beat his man though, or we look terribly lop-sided. Walters' best games out there have been the ones where he's done his share of actual wing play as well as being the auxilliary target man out there.
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Post by bertiestan on May 23, 2015 10:18:59 GMT
Sidney Sam is my left footed right winger of choice Bayern! The poor man's Arjen Robben! Yeah he seems the best out there and in our transfer budget (free). Sam and konopolyanka on free's would be amazing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2015 10:20:05 GMT
Bayern what many including you fail to realise is we do not play a right winger in any form usually,the player on the right hand side,usually Walters tucks right in along side a forward or just behind a lot. Width from the right side comes from the full back normally coming late. We attack with a forward player on the left hand sider ala Moses or Arnie. Thats why that position is very important to us as is a decent right back with good distribution ala Tripper. By the way bayern your still a CUNT....... Where the fuck did that come from? And it's you're, if you're going to name call get the grammar correct ffs! It does (but I don't think Walters "tucks in" he still plays mainly out wide but does drift in more than a conventional winger) but is it design or just because that's the players we have? If it was by design I feel we'd have a right back who could actually attack and cross a ball.......
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 23, 2015 10:20:17 GMT
Yeah he seems the best out there and in our transfer budget (free). Yeah Sam, Arnie, Moses and Odemwingie would make a very respectable 4 wouldn't they? No Bojan?!
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