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Post by StokeAz on Mar 17, 2015 21:03:32 GMT
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Post by 99problems on Mar 17, 2015 21:19:05 GMT
Get it done. N'zonzi next please.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 17, 2015 21:32:28 GMT
Be great if we can get him signed up. He always strikes me as not the greedy type so hopefully he'll be sensible.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Mar 17, 2015 21:54:52 GMT
Agree, it's worrying we've heard nothing on the Nzonzi front
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 17, 2015 21:59:48 GMT
When does N'Zonzi's contract run out? Bego still has 15 months according that article, although i was reading on here the other day that's it's up in the summer.
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Post by sportsman on Mar 17, 2015 22:04:02 GMT
Agree, it's worrying we've heard nothing on the Nzonzi front Maybe we have our eye on someone better. Aren't there any stories linking him with Madrid or anyone?
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 17, 2015 22:09:30 GMT
Interesting quote from Coates
" He’s got a year left after this summer and we have to be realistic, we don’t want to get into a situation where his value diminishes if he doesn’t sign."
The pessimist in me is saying that we are considering selling and want to get the maximum that we can for him
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 17, 2015 22:15:21 GMT
Both Bego and Nzonzi's contracts run out in the summer of 2016.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 17, 2015 22:24:08 GMT
There is a 3 page thread about this just below but hey ho, I agree. Sign him up.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 17, 2015 22:55:59 GMT
And don't forget SJW while we are at it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2015 23:07:35 GMT
Interesting quote from Coates " He’s got a year left after this summer and we have to be realistic, we don’t want to get into a situation where his value diminishes if he doesn’t sign." The pessimist in me is saying that we are considering selling and want to get the maximum that we can for him Well of course we are, why do you think we signed Butland?
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 17, 2015 23:51:12 GMT
Interesting quote from Coates " He’s got a year left after this summer and we have to be realistic, we don’t want to get into a situation where his value diminishes if he doesn’t sign." The pessimist in me is saying that we are considering selling and want to get the maximum that we can for him Well of course we are, why do you think we signed Butland? I think that we signed Butland As we thought Asmir would have moved on long before now but whether it be because we haven't received an offer that we agreed with or we haven't received an offer at all. To still be talking now like we have any sort of interest in selling our best players, with the potential that we are showing and the progress that we making is a little disappointing. I personally would have liked to hear that we wanted to sign him up to a new contract so that we keep our best players and are looking upwards And to better things keeping our star assets. That said however I do believe that we potentially have a very good keeper waiting patiently in the wings, that treated and nurtured as we did with Asmir could be exceptional!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2015 23:53:13 GMT
Well of course we are, why do you think we signed Butland? I think that we signed Butland As we thought Asmir would have moved on long before now but whether it be because we haven't received an offer that we agreed with or we haven't received an offer at all. To still be talking now like we have any sort of interest in selling our best players, with the potential that we are showing and the progress that we making is a little disappointing. I personally would have liked to hear that we wanted to sign him up to a new contract so that we keep our best players and are looking upwards And to better things keeping our star assets. That said however I do believe that we potentially have a very good keeper , that treated and nurtured as we did with Asmir could be exceptional! If the right offer came in we'd be daft not to sell and that goes for any of our players and with him seeming reluctant to sign then this sort of chatter will happen. We've done well to keep hold of our assets for as long as we have!
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 18, 2015 8:02:21 GMT
Think we should sell either Bego or Butland this summer! It's not right keeping the most promising goalie in the land as a bench warmer season after season! Butland needs games at the highest level to fulfill his potential.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 18, 2015 8:08:55 GMT
I'm in several minds on this 1) Bego is class and I'd love him to stay, but 2) Butland has got great potential and if we don't sell Bego then I think realistically we have to let Butland go - so which has the better LT potential? 3) We could easily get £10m + for Bego, with Butland as a ready made replacement we sign a new 'bench goalie' for £1-2million and have £8m + to invest in rest of team, with no deterioration in our goalkeeping strength 4) Do we need to give the lad the chance to get to the top - realistically he's never going to play in CL or win the Prem with Stoke, but he might win the league with Inter/other big suitors
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Post by Gods on Mar 18, 2015 8:49:39 GMT
I'm in several minds on this 1) Bego is class and I'd love him to stay, but 2) Butland has got great potential and if we don't sell Bego then I think realistically we have to let Butland go - so which has the better LT potential? 3) We could easily get £10m + for Bego, with Butland as a ready made replacement we sign a new 'bench goalie' for £1-2million and have £8m + to invest in rest of team, with no deterioration in our goalkeeping strength
4) Do we need to give the lad the chance to get to the top - realistically he's never going to play in CL or win the Prem with Stoke, but he might win the league with Inter/other big suitors In bold is the key statement in your otherwise perfect plan! I honestly haven't seen enough of Butland to feel I know for sure but based upon the little I have seen for Stoke and his performances for England U21's I would say Begovic could be worth 6-8 points more a season than Butland. Of course I might be wrong and Butland may close that gap very quickly, indeed he may have done so already. It's a very tight call. At the back of mind lurks the thought 'you play fast and loose with the goalkeeping position at your very peril'.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 18, 2015 8:54:59 GMT
Selling Bego doesn't hold any advantages apart giving Butland a chance
The money is virtually worthless. £10m won't be worth much from next season.
You can't replace Bego with £10m, and Hughes can have £10m any day of the week anyway.
Remember we are the 27th richest club in the world and our owners are getting richer by the day.
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2015 8:58:39 GMT
Agree, it's worrying we've heard nothing on the Nzonzi front Maybe we have our eye on someone better. Aren't there any stories linking him with Madrid or anyone? Manchester City,Monaco & Napoli all been linked (albeit briefly) with him in the last 12 months. Could all be paper talk (i.e. Bullshit) ,could all be based in fact. no idea. For my money if Nzonzi could score goals on a regular basis he would be a Champions League player. As it is he's a 'next level' player which of course is Stoke City.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 18, 2015 9:11:01 GMT
If Begovic signs a new contract it's pie in the sky to think that Butland will stay here and further piss away his career.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 18, 2015 9:50:21 GMT
If Begovic signs a new contract it's pie in the sky to think that Butland will stay here and further piss away his career. I think it's a pretty straightforward situation on this one really. Begovic signs a new contract, Butland leaves. Begovic refuses new contract, Begovic leaves and Butland becomes no.1 with a new goalkeeper arriving to provide some competition and back up. Either way, I think our goalkeeping position is in safe hands. Butland will become a very good goalkeeper but until he gets regular games, he will never develop at the rate we want him to. I'm amazed he's not out on loan at a decent Championship club.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 18, 2015 9:53:27 GMT
If Begovic signs a new contract it's pie in the sky to think that Butland will stay here and further piss away his career. I think it's a pretty straightforward situation on this one really. Begovic signs a new contract, Butland leaves. Begovic refuses new contract, Begovic leaves and Butland becomes no.1 with a new goalkeeper arriving to provide some competition and back up. Either way, I think our goalkeeping position is in safe hands. Butland will become a very good goalkeeper but until he gets regular games, he will never develop at the rate we want him to. I'm amazed he's not out on loan at a decent Championship club. Whatever happens then we have to spend decent money on a #2 Keeper.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2015 10:16:30 GMT
I think it's a pretty straightforward situation on this one really. Begovic signs a new contract, Butland leaves. Begovic refuses new contract, Begovic leaves and Butland becomes no.1 with a new goalkeeper arriving to provide some competition and back up. Either way, I think our goalkeeping position is in safe hands. Butland will become a very good goalkeeper but until he gets regular games, he will never develop at the rate we want him to. I'm amazed he's not out on loan at a decent Championship club. Whatever happens then we have to spend decent money on a #2 Keeper. Not really unless you consider 2/3 million decent money? That's what these pair cost each.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 18, 2015 10:22:42 GMT
Has Tommy just vanished with Palacios somewhere?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 18, 2015 10:22:40 GMT
Whatever happens then we have to spend decent money on a #2 Keeper. Not really unless you consider 2/3 million decent money? That's what these pair cost each. They were both £3.5M plus add on's from clubs on their absolute arses. Well be lucky to get similar value again. I would say 3 or 4 Mill on a reserve 'keeper is fairly decent money anyway.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 18, 2015 11:21:54 GMT
I think it's a pretty straightforward situation on this one really. Begovic signs a new contract, Butland leaves. Begovic refuses new contract, Begovic leaves and Butland becomes no.1 with a new goalkeeper arriving to provide some competition and back up. Either way, I think our goalkeeping position is in safe hands. Butland will become a very good goalkeeper but until he gets regular games, he will never develop at the rate we want him to. I'm amazed he's not out on loan at a decent Championship club. Whatever happens then we have to spend decent money on a #2 Keeper. Which is exactly what I said on the other thread discussing the same thing :-)
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 18, 2015 11:24:15 GMT
Bachmann is more than capable as a number Two
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 18, 2015 11:35:21 GMT
Not really unless you consider 2/3 million decent money? That's what these pair cost each. They were both £3.5M plus add on's from clubs on their absolute arses. Well be lucky to get similar value again. I would say 3 or 4 Mill on a reserve 'keeper is fairly decent money anyway. IMHO we WILL have to sign another quality keeper if Bego goes because Butland is pure 'potential' at the moment. He needs to be playing PL football to fulfill that potential of course and we need a back up keeper in case he struggles. I'm not saying he will struggle and he could turn out to be a fantastic signing once he gets his chance to shine but it makes sound sense to have a keeper behind him that is proven at the top level. But therein lies the big stumbling block. How many 'proven' keepers would want to come here knowing that they are second choice behind a young keeper who could keep them on the bench for years to come? Obviously it's solvable but we'll need a bit of luck.
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Post by StokeAz on Mar 18, 2015 16:08:41 GMT
There is a 3 page thread about this just below but hey ho, I agree. Sign him up. Apart from that says bego is wanted and was created before we started the talks...
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Post by muglump on Mar 18, 2015 16:18:17 GMT
I hope if he does go it is to somewhere abroad, couldn't face having him play for one of our rivals
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Post by bolders on Mar 18, 2015 16:25:33 GMT
Would you take Schwarzer as back up keeper when leicester go down?
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