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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 12, 2015 12:10:13 GMT
As long as you girls don't mind I'll bookmark this thread and bring it back when when you're all eating your words.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 12:10:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:10:29 GMT
As a staunch defender of him all along I'm close to writing him off. He's useful with his pace and work ethic but for a player with his record in Germany he just doesn't seem like a top level striker. His touch isn't there. His confidence isn't recovering. He doesn't anticipate knock downs or rebounds. Classic oatcake there pathetic Loads of players need at-least a season to bed in, maybe he will come good and maybe he won't but to write him off at any stage in the first season is a ridiculous notion
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 12, 2015 12:14:02 GMT
He's not an 'Aguero', but he does add something up front - pace. That keeps defenders back on their heels and is part of a system that opens up things for other players to feed off. I've seen far worse in the red and white stripes.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 12:15:17 GMT
Post by pez75 on Feb 12, 2015 12:15:17 GMT
he's a trier bless 'im - one for the 'we'll see' pile...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 12, 2015 12:50:14 GMT
As a staunch defender of him all along I'm close to writing him off. He's useful with his pace and work ethic but for a player with his record in Germany he just doesn't seem like a top level striker. His touch isn't there. His confidence isn't recovering. He doesn't anticipate knock downs or rebounds. Classic oatcake there pathetic Loads of players need at-least a season to bed in, maybe he will come good and maybe he won't but to write him off at any stage in the first season is a ridiculous notion I can only call what I see.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 12:54:20 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 12, 2015 12:54:20 GMT
The biggest problem is his complete unsuitability for the main system that Hughes employees....and his touch.....and his decision making......and his anticipation......and finishing.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 12:58:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:58:32 GMT
The biggest problem is his complete unsuitability for the main system that Hughes employees....and his touch.....and his decision making......and his anticipation......and finishing. apart from that?
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Post by andystokey on Feb 12, 2015 12:59:34 GMT
Opinions eh? I thought he looked very sharp and was the most likely to score from open play, but our over reliance on either pushing him out wide or banging crosses in for Crouchy meant he hardly had a ball to run on to. Play him through the middle with a through ball and his pace will cause most defences problems. Unfortunately no one in midfield is pushing the ball through with Bojan and Ireland missing. Play him there and he will score more goals.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:00:27 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 12, 2015 13:00:27 GMT
The biggest problem is his complete unsuitability for the main system that Hughes employees....and his touch.....and his decision making......and his anticipation......and finishing. apart from that? Lovely smile.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:09:26 GMT
Post by adamsson on Feb 12, 2015 13:09:26 GMT
Is it worth noting that in the first half of his first season his goals scored was about the same as Bony, or is it an unfair comparison because Bony was always played as a striker and probably had more games.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:17:36 GMT
Post by passtheoatcakes on Feb 12, 2015 13:17:36 GMT
Is it me or does he perform better with SJW scampering around him in support? I missed Super John last night, hope he is fit for Blackburn.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:20:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 13:20:56 GMT
Classic oatcake there pathetic Loads of players need at-least a season to bed in, maybe he will come good and maybe he won't but to write him off at any stage in the first season is a ridiculous notion I can only call what I see. Writing him off though People have said they're not impressed with many aspects of what they have seen so far and fair play, he hasn't been good so far there's no debating that really... But to write him off in his first season is beyond a joke
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Post by roberthuth4 on Feb 12, 2015 13:25:48 GMT
Said it from word one, hes shit
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:29:26 GMT
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Post by roberthuth4 on Feb 12, 2015 13:29:26 GMT
His performances cant be justified by his position he plays, he should still be able to control the ball, pass the ball, run the channels and stay on his feet weather upfront or centre half, the blokes useless
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:36:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 13:36:15 GMT
Lost a game have we, let's pick a player to have a go at!.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:36:18 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Feb 12, 2015 13:36:18 GMT
He is no better than Cameron Jerome on the evidence so far - yes, he has had a stop/start season, yes, he has been pushed around the forward line, yes, he has not had a settled team around him, but the quality is not there: poor first touch, no real skill on the ball, lack of anticipation, snatching at chances. I am just glad we did not pay the fee Hannover wanted the summer before.
We are still looking for that starting striker. Diouf should be a squad player, a pacey option off the bench or someone to fill in for injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 13:36:57 GMT
Is it worth noting that in the first half of his first season his goals scored was about the same as Bony, or is it an unfair comparison because Bony was always played as a striker and probably had more games. Probably not, please don't deal in facts. The same people that were saying Bojan was shit, are probably the ones saying Diouf is shit. Reserving judgment til he's settled in would be a good way to go, but fuck it eh?
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 13:50:30 GMT
Post by WorkingclassHero on Feb 12, 2015 13:50:30 GMT
My only problem with Diouf is I genuinely thing Cameron Jerome was better. Tin hat on I really liked Jerome
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 14:28:56 GMT
My only problem with Diouf is I genuinely thing Cameron Jerome was better. Tin hat on I really liked Jerome I didn't dislike him, he had some good qualities. Whether he'd have scored like Diouf in the Bundesliga Im not sure, but the comparison is a fair one.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 14:39:29 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 12, 2015 14:39:29 GMT
He really wasn't happy at the prospect of being shunted out wide last night and made a few comments to that effect to Hughes when he was moved there.
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Post by miggo on Feb 12, 2015 15:52:23 GMT
He was a free transfer Ffs.
What do people expect Maradona? If we'd have spent a ridiculous fee whilst breaking our wage structure maybe you'd have an argument.
Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 15:57:52 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Feb 12, 2015 15:57:52 GMT
He was a free transfer Ffs. What do people expect Maradona? If we'd have spent a ridiculous fee whilst breaking our wage structure maybe you'd have an argument. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Free transfer, maybe, but his wages would make your eyes water. He will be at the top of our wage structure, of that I have no doubt (so £45-50k a week). For that I'd really want a striker with a damned sight more quality. He has disappointed me on the whole (save for the Man City wonder goal).
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 12, 2015 16:04:20 GMT
He was a free transfer Ffs. What do people expect Maradona? If we'd have spent a ridiculous fee whilst breaking our wage structure maybe you'd have an argument. Sent from my C6603 using proboards I really don't see any relevance that your post has to the debate here.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 16:04:26 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 12, 2015 16:04:26 GMT
He was a free transfer Ffs. What do people expect Maradona? If we'd have spent a ridiculous fee whilst breaking our wage structure maybe you'd have an argument. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Free transfer, maybe, but his wages would make your eyes water. He will be at the top of our wage structure, of that I have no doubt (so £45-50k a week). For that I'd really want a striker with a damned sight more quality. He has disappointed me on the whole (save for the Man City wonder goal). Every players wages would probably make our eyes water Why single out Diouf ?
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 16:06:35 GMT
Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 12, 2015 16:06:35 GMT
He was a free transfer Ffs. What do people expect Maradona? If we'd have spent a ridiculous fee whilst breaking our wage structure maybe you'd have an argument. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Free transfer, maybe, but his wages would make your eyes water. He will be at the top of our wage structure, of that I have no doubt (so £45-50k a week). For that I'd really want a striker with a damned sight more quality. He has disappointed me on the whole (save for the Man City wonder goal). I loved that goal, but if I am being honest he scuffed that shot. That's why Hart fluffed his lines.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 16:08:50 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Feb 12, 2015 16:08:50 GMT
Free transfer, maybe, but his wages would make your eyes water. He will be at the top of our wage structure, of that I have no doubt (so £45-50k a week). For that I'd really want a striker with a damned sight more quality. He has disappointed me on the whole (save for the Man City wonder goal). Every players wages would probably make our eyes water Why single out Diouf ? I was pointing out that our investment in him was substantial, even though we did not pay a transfer fee. I feel that we are not, presently, getting a very good return on that investment, especially when compared to our other top earners like Begovic and Shawcross.
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 16:15:16 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 12, 2015 16:15:16 GMT
Every players wages would probably make our eyes water Why single out Diouf ? I was pointing out that our investment in him was substantial, even though we did not pay a transfer fee. I feel that we are not, presently, getting a very good return on that investment, especially when compared to our other top earners like Begovic and Shawcross. Seriously ? Like I pointed out earlier in the thread .....he's a centre forward who because of injuries has been asked to play left right wing and up front and probably never in the same position twice on the bounce ? He's part of an injury ravaged squad who has scored goals, covered all over the pitch ( needs must ) who are 10th with out best points haul for this stage of a season and all with a smile on his face I don't expect much more than that from an investment and I'll judge him next season when we have a fully fit and settled squad
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 16:31:25 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Feb 12, 2015 16:31:25 GMT
I was pointing out that our investment in him was substantial, even though we did not pay a transfer fee. I feel that we are not, presently, getting a very good return on that investment, especially when compared to our other top earners like Begovic and Shawcross. Seriously ? Like I pointed out earlier in the thread .....he's a centre forward who because of injuries has been asked to play left right wing and up front and probably never in the same position twice on the bounce ? He's part of an injury ravaged squad who has scored goals, covered all over the pitch ( needs must ) who are 10th with out best points haul for this stage of a season and all with a smile on his face I don't expect much more than that from an investment and I'll judge him next season when we have a fully fit and settled squad We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. You seem more easily pleased by what he has produced than me. He has not provided, to my mind, any evidence to suggest that he is anything more than an expensive version of Cameron Jerome, a sprinter in football boots.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 12, 2015 16:31:39 GMT
We need to play more balls over the top to him, it's fucking stupid that we don't!
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diouf
Feb 12, 2015 16:32:34 GMT
Post by Rose City Potter on Feb 12, 2015 16:32:34 GMT
He is no better than Cameron Jerome on the evidence so far - yes, he has had a stop/start season, yes, he has been pushed around the forward line, yes, he has not had a settled team around him, but the quality is not there: poor first touch, no real skill on the ball, lack of anticipation, snatching at chances. I am just glad we did not pay the fee Hannover wanted the summer before. We are still looking for that starting striker. Diouf should be a squad player, a pacey option off the bench or someone to fill in for injuries. Mostly this but to write a player off at this stage is madness. I am not that impressed with him but I am a big believer in giving people time. Last night was far more about missing key players and facing a side that is much better than us in most positions than any one player.
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