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Post by redstriper on Mar 9, 2015 11:59:32 GMT
What an embarrassment - I'm thankful I'm at work and haven't had to sit through this latest disaster, having travelled around the world watching us at test match level I'd have loved to be out there, but right now I'm also glad I'm not an englishman in a pub down under.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:08:29 GMT
On August 17th 2014 we comfortably thrashed India to win the Test series.
Thankfully (ahem) we shelved Test cricket and focused on the shorter form to really prepare for the World Cup.
6 bloody months of ODI's and T20's and we've been embarrassingly abysmal. Before the Tests we lost against Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI's. After August 17th we've lost 3-1 against India, 5-2 in Sri Lanka and lost the Tri-Series in Australia before this disaster. I can't recall us winning any T20's during that time either.
Roll on April 13th when we'll be back to playing Test cricket in the West Indies. At times like these i tend to turn my back on the shorter form of the game and look forward to proper cricket. Childish as that may be, it gets me through. Get out your whites and give that red ball a good rubbin', i know i do!
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 9, 2015 12:14:54 GMT
On August 17th 2014 we comfortably thrashed India to win the Test series. Thankfully (ahem) we shelved Test cricket and focused on the shorter form to really prepare for the World Cup. 6 bloody months of ODI's and T20's and we've been embarrassingly abysmal. Before the Tests we lost against Sri Lanka 3-2 in ODI's. After August 17th we've lost 3-1 against India, 5-2 in Sri Lanka and lost the Tri-Series in Australia before this disaster. I can't recall us winning any T20's during that time either. Roll on April 13th when we'll be back to playing Test cricket in the West Indies. At times like these i tend to turn my back on the shorter form of the game and look forward to proper cricket. Childish as that may be, it gets me through. Get out your whites and give that red ball a good rubbin', i know i do! It really does beggar belief doesn't it? While the other nations continued to play test cricket, we focused on the shorter form of the game. Thank god for that else just how shit would we been? Maybe the Scots would have beaten us too? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 9, 2015 12:16:28 GMT
Moores replies to Nassar.
Wibble Wibble Wibble.
Wibble Wobble Wibble.
Wobble Wibble Wobble.
Wobble Wobble Wobble.
Fuck off Moores and go Coach Bangladesh, so we can have a chance of beating them in he next W/C.That's if they would fucking have you.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 9, 2015 12:23:53 GMT
OMG - just got back to my desk to learn we've lost!
The only thing that would cheer me up just now are the resignations of Moores and Downton.
This has to be an all time low in English cricket.
And we've got the Ashes coming up against a resurgent Australia. Let's hope it is a wet summer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:25:18 GMT
Anyone watching Sky? David Lloyd has water spraying out of his neck! Strange carry on there  |
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 9, 2015 12:27:41 GMT
"Why does it take a whole tournament to tell them to pitch the ball up?"
...and why do Broad and Anderson even need to be told?
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 9, 2015 12:29:05 GMT
Anyone watching Sky? David Lloyd has water spraying out of his neck! Strange carry on there ...and straight into Nick Knight's ear! |
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 9, 2015 12:30:34 GMT
Hope Bispham is OK!
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Post by craig67 on Mar 9, 2015 12:43:50 GMT
Oh dear England!
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 9, 2015 13:24:43 GMT
Tut tut, ,  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 13:49:53 GMT
Can I ever be mate ? ........Being an England follower you think you've seen it all before ....it's still hard to take performances like this though . |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 9, 2015 16:23:39 GMT
I know this will be controversial, but I would get in touch with KP and say to him, "Do you want back in the England fold"?
If so, you can come back has England Coach, if any of the current players don't like it, they can just fuck off back to just playing domestic cricket and stay there.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 9, 2015 16:30:00 GMT
Personally I doubt KP is answer. What is patently obvious is that Morgan can't lead from the front. He looks like he's never batted before, it was a massive worry before the tournament started and so its proved..
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Post by redstriper on Mar 9, 2015 16:32:14 GMT
We don't look anywhere near good enough, in any department, and you need someone to lead from the front - just compare Morgans form to his rivals... still - I will no doubt summon up misplaced optimism nearer the time. Not sure why I bothered...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 17:25:06 GMT
We don't look anywhere near good enough, in any department, and you need someone to lead from the front - just compare Morgans form to his rivals... still - I will no doubt summon up misplaced optimism nearer the time. Not sure why I bothered... Because you think it can only get better .....? It never seems to though . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 17:28:23 GMT
I know this will be controversial, but I would get in touch with KP and say to him, "Do you want back in the England fold"? If so, you can come back has England Coach, if any of the current players don't like it, they can just fuck off back to just playing domestic cricket and stay there. Of course he wants to be back in the set up ......But as Coach ? ......his ability as a player is not in doubt , but as a leader ....I can't see it myself |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 9, 2015 17:35:13 GMT
What to do, what to do, what to do?
Well let's first look on the bright side - there is plenty of talent in the English game (albeit maybe not in the quick bowling, but I'll come back to that!).we need to sort out our selection policy. Two things to bear in mind in that regard.
First, the route into the ODI team is through T20 games not Tests.
Second, selection is based on performance. No one is sacrosanct. Our senior players have been pish for a long time. This doesn't mean you are dropped after one poor game; but failure to perform over 7/8 games means someone else comes in and you go back to county cricket to sort your game out. Central contracts need some changes.
As to bowling - fast track fast bowlers into the international set up. 85 mph is not good enough.
I think the only thing that would cheer me up just now is Arsenal and Man Ure both losing tonight!
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 9, 2015 17:41:55 GMT
What to do, what to do, what to do? Well let's first look on the bright side - there is plenty of talent in the English game (albeit maybe not in the quick bowling, but I'll come back to that!).we need to sort out our selection policy. Two things to bear in mind in that regard. First, the route into the ODI team is through T20 games not Tests. Second, selection is based on performance. No one is sacrosanct. Our senior players have been pish for a long time. This doesn't mean you are dropped after one poor game; but failure to perform over 7/8 games means someone else comes in and you go back to county cricket to sort your game out. Central contracts need some changes. As to bowling - fast track fast bowlers into the international set up. 85 mph is not good enough. I think the only thing that would cheer me up just now is Arsenal and Man Ure both losing tonight! I think it's more than fast bowling. Where are the spinners? You're right though that 80-85mph bowlers work in England, but elsewhere they just don't offer the penetration that you need at international level. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 17:43:52 GMT
What to do, what to do, what to do? Well let's first look on the bright side - there is plenty of talent in the English game (albeit maybe not in the quick bowling, but I'll come back to that!).we need to sort out our selection policy. Two things to bear in mind in that regard. First, the route into the ODI team is through T20 games not Tests. Second, selection is based on performance. No one is sacrosanct. Our senior players have been pish for a long time. This doesn't mean you are dropped after one poor game; but failure to perform over 7/8 games means someone else comes in and you go back to county cricket to sort your game out. Central contracts need some changes. As to bowling - fast track fast bowlers into the international set up. 85 mph is not good enough. I think the only thing that would cheer me up just now is Arsenal and Man Ure both losing tonight! Do we have any bowlers around the county set up who can get up above that pace at the moment though ? .....if we do we need to take a look at them now ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 17:49:21 GMT
What to do, what to do, what to do? Well let's first look on the bright side - there is plenty of talent in the English game (albeit maybe not in the quick bowling, but I'll come back to that!).we need to sort out our selection policy. Two things to bear in mind in that regard. First, the route into the ODI team is through T20 games not Tests. Second, selection is based on performance. No one is sacrosanct. Our senior players have been pish for a long time. This doesn't mean you are dropped after one poor game; but failure to perform over 7/8 games means someone else comes in and you go back to county cricket to sort your game out. Central contracts need some changes. As to bowling - fast track fast bowlers into the international set up. 85 mph is not good enough. I think the only thing that would cheer me up just now is Arsenal and Man Ure both losing tonight! I think it's more than fast bowling. Where are the spinners? You're right though that 80-85mph bowlers work in England, but elsewhere they just don't offer the penetration that you need at international level. Where are the spinners indeed ? The retirement of Swann has really shown up how much we miss him .....the lack of a spinner is obvious , but he was such a match winner , his absence has put a lot more onus onto the seam bowlers ...I'm not sure that they have managed to rise to the fore ....Ali had some success in a limited way , he's done well with the ball....but I'm not sure he will be the answer long term |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 9, 2015 18:07:47 GMT
R.I.P.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 18:15:39 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 9, 2015 18:17:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 18:20:13 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 9, 2015 18:20:28 GMT
What to do, what to do, what to do? Well let's first look on the bright side - there is plenty of talent in the English game (albeit maybe not in the quick bowling, but I'll come back to that!).we need to sort out our selection policy. Two things to bear in mind in that regard. First, the route into the ODI team is through T20 games not Tests. Second, selection is based on performance. No one is sacrosanct. Our senior players have been pish for a long time. This doesn't mean you are dropped after one poor game; but failure to perform over 7/8 games means someone else comes in and you go back to county cricket to sort your game out. Central contracts need some changes. As to bowling - fast track fast bowlers into the international set up. 85 mph is not good enough. I think the only thing that would cheer me up just now is Arsenal and Man Ure both losing tonight! Do we have any bowlers around the county set up who can get up above that pace at the moment though ? .....if we do we need to take a look at them now ! We need to take some of the aspiring next generation quicks and train them up to bowl at 90+ mph. Whatever that takes, fitness, strength, technique, practice, practice, practice. Back in 2005 3 of our 4 quicks bowled at that pace. Today none of our quicks do. We've got lazy; accepted standards that are well below what it takes to be the best. Finn is a joke. Broad no better. Jordan, Woakes, Stokes all well of the pace needed. Fixing this is going to take effort and focus. But it can be done. But, to fix something, we have to accept something is wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 18:26:32 GMT
Do we have any bowlers around the county set up who can get up above that pace at the moment though ? .....if we do we need to take a look at them now ! We need to take some of the aspiring next generation quicks and train them up to bowl at 90+ mph. Whatever that takes, fitness, strength, technique, practice, practice, practice. Back in 2005 3 of our 4 quicks bowled at that pace. Today none of our quicks do. We've got lazy; accepted standards that are well below what it takes to be the best. Finn is a joke. Broad no better. Jordan, Woakes, Stokes all well of the pace needed. Fixing this is going to take effort and focus. But it can be done. But, to fix something, we have to accept something is wrong. I've been more concerned about the bowling than the batting for a while now ....and it's saying something to say that ! |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 9, 2015 18:27:44 GMT
The time for tinkering with the ODI system has passed I'm afraid. It's time for a radical overhaul of how we approach the 50 over game in this country. Morgan has been suffering form wise for 2 years and yet he was picked to be captain. Chris Jordan is clearly struggling with his rhythm and needs some help to standardise his action. Poor Steven Finn doesn't know if he's coming or going, Broad is rehabilitating, Woakes showed some promise but has tailed off since the new ball was taken off him. We seem stuck between picking two aggressive openers or being more moderate and going Ali/Bell.
ALEX HALES IS NOT A NUMBER 3. (really ticking me off this one, he should be given the freedom at the top of the order like a McCullum, Warner or Rohit Sharma.)
The attack is one dimensional, right arm fast medium swing and seam, where is the England bowler who can bowl yorkers, or out of the back of the hand.
We're too conventional, even in our overhauls we just go back over old ground. (Moores).
It's time for change from the top down with regards to ODI cricket.
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Post by liathroid on Mar 9, 2015 18:36:45 GMT
lets hope Ireland can sneak though  |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 9, 2015 18:38:00 GMT
lets hope Ireland can sneak though Morgan in defection shocker! |
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