|
Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 27, 2015 15:00:56 GMT
The Adam Crafton tweet has thoroughly depressed me. Same here dave very very depressing
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 15:01:12 GMT
Why would Marca know anything though really? No different than The Sun reporting it. He may have done something to his medial ligaments which is still a bit of a spell out but I'm fairly confident that he'd have been in absolute agony had he done his anterior. You don't tend to get up and walk on those kinds of injuries. Philip Rivers played the entire AFC championship game for the San Diego Chargers with a torn ACL.
|
|
|
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 27, 2015 15:01:22 GMT
yeah to the guy above. I did my cruciate and walked 2 km back home. I thought I had just sprained it at the time but was totally ruptured. It is not always the most painful of injuries but it does the most long-term damage
|
|
|
Post by stokeramblers on Jan 27, 2015 15:01:23 GMT
Why would Marca know anything though really? No different than The Sun reporting it. He may have done something to his medial ligaments which is still a bit of a spell out but I'm fairly confident that he'd have been in absolute agony had he done his anterior. You don't tend to get up and walk on those kinds of injuries. Like I've already proven earlier, Gazza ran for another minute before collapsing after an ACL. You don't feel pain quite the same when you're tanked up on a few bottles of Newcastle Brown though.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 15:02:08 GMT
i think you're clutching at straws to be so angry at something when you yourself say it doesn't look like it was that (from any of the slow mos or replays) that actually even caused it. pretty sure if that had even possibly played a part or was even likely to cause any injuries then Hughes would have come out and said something BEFORE the match let alone afterwards and it would 100% have played a part in his selection accordingly. the commentators never criticised the pitch (in fact they mentioned the good condition it was in), the pundits never mentioned it and so far you're the only fan i've seen to criticise it. given the fact that Hughes was happy to play our first team and didn't say anything about the pitch being terrible before, during or after the game and he was pitchside at pitch level for 90 minutes then we can safely assume it was nowhere near as bad as you're making out. I'm angry Bojan started in general, like I said, don't we have proven replacements? The commentators on 5Shite criticized it, well, mocked it. Joked about it being a slope and made some other comment about it. Perhaps I am clutching at straws, I'm also hurting and feel our best player shouldn't have been risked. I don't think it was a good pitch whatsoever, but perhaps I've let emotions get to me here and jumped the gun. i don't see the issue here...damned if he does damned if he doesn't as far as Hughes is concerned. in the first half we struggled to create anything apart from Bojan's goal (which was individual genius and nothing to do with the rest of the Stoke team). if he hadn't played and we'd gone in 0-0 then god knows what could have happened second half. if you think we could have got away with it by fielding non-regular first teamers then i can only presume you didn't see any of the results over the weekend? i'm pretty sure that those results are exactly why we fielded a first team...not just because of the fact that fielding a second string has been proved to be risky by those other results but also the fact that because of those teams making the mistake of being complacent, we now have a much better chance of really progressing in this competition. he was right to field a full side with our best players...no need for them to have a break when they have the rest of the week to recover, we avoid the embarrassment of going out to minnows (as much bigger clubs than us did over the weekend) and are now the 3rd highest ranking team of all the teams that are definitely in the next round. bizarre how many criticised Pulis for fielding a second string in a cup competition once but now you're saying that's exactly what Hughes should have done here when we have a far better chance of winning this one precisely because the other teams were arrogant and presumed they'd be fine without playing their strongest sides???? really don't get what you're driving at here mate.... would you have been happier to field a second string side and run the risk of going out given the fact that is fast turning out to be possibly the easiest run to a FA Cup final we could get?
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2015 15:02:23 GMT
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2015 15:04:18 GMT
I'm angry Bojan started in general, like I said, don't we have proven replacements? The commentators on 5Shite criticized it, well, mocked it. Joked about it being a slope and made some other comment about it. Perhaps I am clutching at straws, I'm also hurting and feel our best player shouldn't have been risked. I don't think it was a good pitch whatsoever, but perhaps I've let emotions get to me here and jumped the gun. i don't see the issue here...damned if he does damned if he doesn't as far as Hughes is concerned. in the first half we struggled to create anything apart from Bojan's goal (which was individual genius and nothing to do with the rest of the Stoke team). if he hadn't played and we'd gone in 0-0 then god knows what could have happened second half. if you think we could have got away with it by fielding non-regular first teamers then i can only presume you didn't see any of the results over the weekend? i'm pretty sure that those results are exactly why we fielded a first team...not just because of the fact that fielding a second string has been proved to be risky by those other results but also the fact that because of those teams making the mistake of being complacent, we now have a much better chance of really progressing in this competition. he was right to field a full side with our best players...no need for them to have a break when they have the rest of the week to recover, we avoid the embarrassment of going out to minnows (as much bigger clubs than us did over the weekend) and are now the 3rd highest ranking team of all the teams that are definitely in the next round. bizarre how many criticised Pulis for fielding a second string in a cup competition once but now you're saying that's exactly what Hughes should have done here when we have a far better chance of winning this one precisely because the other teams were arrogant and presumed they'd be fine without playing their strongest sides???? really don't get what you're driving at here mate.... would you have been happier to field a second string side and run the risk of going out given the fact that is fast turning out to be possibly the easiest run to a FA Cup final we could get? Mick I didn't say field a weakened team. I would have fielded all but Bojan.
|
|
kmp
Spectator
Posts: 27
|
Post by kmp on Jan 27, 2015 15:05:54 GMT
TS have just said 6 months out with injury - hopefully not true!
|
|
|
Post by stoke4eva on Jan 27, 2015 15:06:13 GMT
Eurosport tweeted it saying Marca are reporting it. @eurosportcom_EN: BREAKING: Marca are reporting that Stoke's former Barcelona attacker Bojan is facing nine months out with ruptured knee ligaments. Not looking good. I don't believe this for a second. He walked off the pitch for fuck sakes, all the while trying to talk the physio into letting him stay on. I walked off the pitch and played on for 5 minutes (all be it I was not moving a lot). it does not feel that painful . I did not know I did mine until 2 weeks after the incident
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jan 27, 2015 15:06:37 GMT
Hellu!
I saw the game, but... how could he be injured? He wasn't tackled or anything. What happened out there?
|
|
|
Post by Okie Stokie. on Jan 27, 2015 15:06:55 GMT
Love how everyone is saying he's out for X amount of months. He's having his scan as we speak PHEW! AND THEN HOPE FOR A BIGGER. PHEW!
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on Jan 27, 2015 15:08:05 GMT
They are footballers. They play on grass, some good grass some shit grass. They train every day and can play twice a week.
If Hughes wants him to play he plays. You do not wrap players in cotton wool if they are fit
No-one to blame
A fluke accident
|
|
|
Post by Davef on Jan 27, 2015 15:08:35 GMT
Eurosport tweeted it saying Marca are reporting it. @eurosportcom_EN: BREAKING: Marca are reporting that Stoke's former Barcelona attacker Bojan is facing nine months out with ruptured knee ligaments. Not looking good. I don't believe this for a second. He walked off the pitch for fuck sakes, all the while trying to talk the physio into letting him stay on. As someone has stated above, Adam Crafton is the journalist who interviewed Bojan's father, so his report that Bojan and his family are devastated can't be dismissed. I've not felt this low about anything to do with Stoke for a long, long time.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 15:09:23 GMT
i don't see the issue here...damned if he does damned if he doesn't as far as Hughes is concerned. in the first half we struggled to create anything apart from Bojan's goal (which was individual genius and nothing to do with the rest of the Stoke team). if he hadn't played and we'd gone in 0-0 then god knows what could have happened second half. if you think we could have got away with it by fielding non-regular first teamers then i can only presume you didn't see any of the results over the weekend? i'm pretty sure that those results are exactly why we fielded a first team...not just because of the fact that fielding a second string has been proved to be risky by those other results but also the fact that because of those teams making the mistake of being complacent, we now have a much better chance of really progressing in this competition. he was right to field a full side with our best players...no need for them to have a break when they have the rest of the week to recover, we avoid the embarrassment of going out to minnows (as much bigger clubs than us did over the weekend) and are now the 3rd highest ranking team of all the teams that are definitely in the next round. bizarre how many criticised Pulis for fielding a second string in a cup competition once but now you're saying that's exactly what Hughes should have done here when we have a far better chance of winning this one precisely because the other teams were arrogant and presumed they'd be fine without playing their strongest sides???? really don't get what you're driving at here mate.... would you have been happier to field a second string side and run the risk of going out given the fact that is fast turning out to be possibly the easiest run to a FA Cup final we could get? Mick I didn't say field a weakened team. I would have fielded all but Bojan. so we'd have gone in to the break at 0-0 after having been the second best team on the pitch? that's one hell of a way to get the team spirit going....yes we were far better in the second half without Bojan but we already had a lead to hold onto to at that point, if we hadn't then the second half could have been a very different story! that injury to Bojan could have happened anywhere at any stadium and it's frustrating yes (we're all pissed off by it) but blaming the pitch is all a bit of a "we're Premier league, how can we be expected to let our flair players compete in such amateur conditions" cop out if you ask me. we'll be complaining that he doesn't get enough "Protection" from the refs next.......
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2015 15:10:07 GMT
The club needs to get this under wraps. Either they come out and say his knees fucked, or they come out and say it isn't.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 27, 2015 15:10:09 GMT
Owen Farrell knee injuryAlthough a different sport there's a few interesting quotes regarding his knee injury (which has ruled him out of the entire 6 nations).. he also walked off
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 15:11:08 GMT
I don't believe this for a second. He walked off the pitch for fuck sakes, all the while trying to talk the physio into letting him stay on. As someone has stated above, Adam Crafton is the journalist who interviewed Bojan's father, so his report that Bojan and his family are devastated can't be dismissed. I've not felt this low about anything to do with Stoke for a long, long time. If only it was Alan Nixon who was tweeting the news.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2015 15:12:23 GMT
Mick I didn't say field a weakened team. I would have fielded all but Bojan. so we'd have gone in to the break at 0-0 after having been the second best team on the pitch? that's one hell of a way to get the team spirit going....yes we were far better in the second half without Bojan but we already had a lead to hold onto to at that point, if we hadn't then the second half could have been a very different story! that injury to Bojan could have happened anywhere at any stadium and it's frustrating yes (we're all pissed off by it) but blaming the pitch is all a bit of a "we're Premier league, how can we be expected to let our flair players compete in such amateur conditions" cop out if you ask me. we'll be complaining that he doesn't get enough "Protection" from the refs next....... Come off it Mick, not that long ago we were in the same bloody league. All I'm saying is, Bojan has a talent that very few players have. I'm not saying wrap him in cotton wool, I'm saying playing him yesterday was a big risk... was it a risk worth taking? We might not have gone in 0-0 Mick, you don't know that.
|
|
|
Post by Mekaneck on Jan 27, 2015 15:13:19 GMT
Love how everyone is saying he's out for X amount of months. He's having his scan as we speak PHEW! AND THEN HOPE FOR A BIGGER. PHEW!They do have mobile phones these days. The player could easily have called friends and family from inside the room. Stoke LP won't be the first ones to know.
|
|
|
Post by onionman on Jan 27, 2015 15:13:41 GMT
I know it looks like we're basing our fears on nothing but wild speculation as he hasn't finished his scan yet, but you also have to take into consideration that at least ten people on this messageboard have suffered horrific knee injuries themselves at some point.
Some of them walked straight off the pitch, some of them needed a stretcher, some had to go home on crutches, some went to hospital to have their leg amputated, and some replaced their shattered kneecap with a meat and potato pie before going back on the pitch to score a hat-trick.
Weigh it all up guys.
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Jan 27, 2015 15:13:55 GMT
The story is now all over the football world media; it would be helpful if the club would simply issue a statement saying they will say something when there is something to say and stop all the frenetic speculation.
|
|
|
Post by elystokie on Jan 27, 2015 15:14:55 GMT
I'm not on twatter but just looked at that Crafton fella's page, bloke called Dave_Hawley1 has given me a glimmer of hope.
Not a clue who he is or how much he knows mind.
|
|
|
Post by Okie Stokie. on Jan 27, 2015 15:16:55 GMT
PHEW! AND THEN HOPE FOR A BIGGER. PHEW! They do have mobile phones these days. The player could easily have called friends and family from inside the room. Stoke LP won't be the first ones to know. Neither would any of the others that some are taking seriously.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 15:17:15 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 15:18:37 GMT
so we'd have gone in to the break at 0-0 after having been the second best team on the pitch? that's one hell of a way to get the team spirit going....yes we were far better in the second half without Bojan but we already had a lead to hold onto to at that point, if we hadn't then the second half could have been a very different story! that injury to Bojan could have happened anywhere at any stadium and it's frustrating yes (we're all pissed off by it) but blaming the pitch is all a bit of a "we're Premier league, how can we be expected to let our flair players compete in such amateur conditions" cop out if you ask me. we'll be complaining that he doesn't get enough "Protection" from the refs next....... Come off it Mick, not that long ago we were in the same bloody league. All I'm saying is, Bojan has a talent that very few players have. I'm not saying wrap him in cotton wool, I'm saying playing him yesterday was a big risk... was it a risk worth taking? We might not have gone in 0-0 Mick, you don't know that. so...you think that if Bojan hadn't played and we'd fielded the team that were then largely anonymous after Bojan went off, we'd still possibly have gone in at half time in the lead???? apart from Bojan's goal we did absolutely nothing in the first half even for the other 27 minutes he was on the pitch AFTER his goal so what logic could you use to think that without him, we'd have done equally as well???? that's just bizarre mate. hindsight is a great thing but only EVER brought up when people want to complain about something....honest question, when he scored after 3 minutes did you turn to your mate and say "What the fuck is he doing on the pitch??? what is Hughes playing at?".....without him being on the pitch he wouldn't have got injured (but he may well have done next week or the week after etc.) but equally without him being on the pitch we wouldn't have seen a moment of pure artistry that, for once, had the media raving about us for all the right reasons. it's football...people get injured...it's kind of part of the game!
|
|
|
Post by KevinWhimper on Jan 27, 2015 15:18:52 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2015 15:20:32 GMT
Even the Rochdale manager said that bojans goal took the 'edge' off his team.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2015 15:21:00 GMT
Come off it Mick, not that long ago we were in the same bloody league. All I'm saying is, Bojan has a talent that very few players have. I'm not saying wrap him in cotton wool, I'm saying playing him yesterday was a big risk... was it a risk worth taking? We might not have gone in 0-0 Mick, you don't know that. so...you think that if Bojan hadn't played and we'd fielded the team that were then largely anonymous after Bojan went off, we'd still possibly have gone in at half time in the lead???? apart from Bojan's goal we did absolutely nothing in the first half even for the other 27 minutes he was on the pitch AFTER his goal so what logic could you use to think that without him, we'd have done equally as well???? that's just bizarre mate. hindsight is a great thing but only EVER brought up when people want to complain about something....honest question, when he scored after 3 minutes did you turn to your mate and say "What the fuck is he doing on the pitch??? what is Hughes playing at?".....without him being on the pitch he wouldn't have got injured (but he may well have done next week or the week after etc.) but equally without him being on the pitch we wouldn't have seen a moment of pure artistry that, for once, had the media raving about us for all the right reasons. it's football...people get injured...it's kind of part of the game! Actually, I turned to him and said "right, sub him the fuck off, and let's put 10 men behind the ball" lol... I actually meant it, well 50% of it... the first part, the second part I obviously didn't mean.
|
|
|
Post by thestatusquo on Jan 27, 2015 15:24:13 GMT
I know its a bit off the wall but I think Atkinson is culpable for this. Bojan was incensed with the tackle on Moses and I think he was still annoyed when he went haring after the ball as he seemed determined to stick it to them.
|
|
|
Post by liam007 on Jan 27, 2015 15:24:52 GMT
Very sad news if true,looking as though it is now.We are all worried and down about this but imagine how Bojan is feeling himself.He must be devastated. "We'll be with you Bojan lad."
|
|