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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 3, 2015 4:52:45 GMT
I could see us maybe looking at him on a season long loan as part of the deal or at least asking, 1- he's a forward who can play all across the front forward pogsitions or at least do a job there, 2- Hughes seems to like to play a forward on the right hand side who seemingly will work hard also and I believe he fits this bill 3-he's English and would help our quota even if it is just for a season. 4- Chelsea will no doubt trust us with some of the players they have more after Moses's successful campaign.
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Post by Northy on Jul 3, 2015 6:14:41 GMT
Won't we be overloaded in this area with the players we have here already
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 14:23:27 GMT
He looked promising upfront for Boro last season but I didn't see much of him on the wing or playing behind the main striker. He'd need to really step up his game if he's going to play up front instead of Joselu or Diouf and we've still got Crouch, Wingie and Walters.
Worth a loan for a season assuming he's not going to cost that much and he's content not starting every game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 14:24:34 GMT
We don't need him.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 3, 2015 14:27:30 GMT
My thoughts exactly. I need a lie down.
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Post by liam007 on Jul 3, 2015 14:55:02 GMT
You don't believe we need a up and coming young English striker,Crouchie is not going to play regular,Odem we don't know how he will return from a long term injury.You can never have enough of his type,hard working and score goals.Some people knocked Lee Chapman,look what he went onto achieve in his career,this lad reminds me so much of Chapman.A Premier league side will take him and he will be a success.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 3, 2015 14:59:29 GMT
You don't believe we need a up and coming young English striker,Crouchie is not going to play regular,Odem we don't know how he will return from a long term injury.You can never have enough of his type,hard working and score goals.Some people knocked Lee Chapman,look what he went onto achieve in his career,this lad reminds me so much of Chapman.A Premier league side will take him and he will be a success. We've got Diouf, Bojan, Jos ,Crouchie as well as (probably) Walters and Odem. We're looking to bring in another wide player so he would just be wasted at Stoke and I doubt he'd even get on the bench.
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Post by liam007 on Jul 3, 2015 15:07:39 GMT
You don't believe we need a up and coming young English striker,Crouchie is not going to play regular,Odem we don't know how he will return from a long term injury.You can never have enough of his type,hard working and score goals.Some people knocked Lee Chapman,look what he went onto achieve in his career,this lad reminds me so much of Chapman.A Premier league side will take him and he will be a success. We've got Diouf, Bojan, Jos ,Crouchie as well as (probably) Walters and Odem. We're looking to bring in another wide player so he would just be wasted at Stoke and I doubt he'd even get on the bench. He is not going to be playing in the Bojan role though is he.Crouchie,Odem and Walters are great players to have but we need to look at young players to replace them.This lad is the future and can play on the wing coming in.Not saying we have to make him the main striker straight away but i do firmly believe he is going to be a top Premier league striker and i would be gutted if we missed out on a possible loan and he went to say Leicester/Norwich and scored goals for fun.A loan is low risk.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 15:13:29 GMT
You don't believe we need a up and coming young English striker,Crouchie is not going to play regular,Odem we don't know how he will return from a long term injury.You can never have enough of his type,hard working and score goals.Some people knocked Lee Chapman,look what he went onto achieve in his career,this lad reminds me so much of Chapman.A Premier league side will take him and he will be a success. We have 5 strikers, we don't need him.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 3, 2015 15:16:47 GMT
We've got Diouf, Bojan, Jos ,Crouchie as well as (probably) Walters and Odem. We're looking to bring in another wide player so he would just be wasted at Stoke and I doubt he'd even get on the bench. He is not going to be playing in the Bojan role though is he.Crouchie,Odem and Walters are great players to have but we need to look at young players to replace them.This lad is the future and can play on the wing coming in.Not saying we have to make him the main striker straight away but i do firmly believe he is going to be a top Premier league striker and i would be gutted if we missed out on a possible loan and he went to say Leicester/Norwich and scored goals for fun.A loan is low risk. If you honestly think he'd be in our squad before any one of those players, I think you are wrong. Honestly, he wouldn't make our bench.
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Post by liam007 on Jul 3, 2015 15:21:40 GMT
He is not going to be playing in the Bojan role though is he.Crouchie,Odem and Walters are great players to have but we need to look at young players to replace them.This lad is the future and can play on the wing coming in.Not saying we have to make him the main striker straight away but i do firmly believe he is going to be a top Premier league striker and i would be gutted if we missed out on a possible loan and he went to say Leicester/Norwich and scored goals for fun.A loan is low risk. If you honestly think he'd be in our squad before any one of those players, I think you are wrong. Honestly, he wouldn't make our bench. It's all about opinions and i respect yours but i think we have to think more long term than Crouchie,Odem and Walters.I am sure that none of them will let us down when needed but this is the type of player i believe we should be looking at.
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Post by miggo on Jul 3, 2015 15:23:02 GMT
A great up and coming player but I wouldn't put him in front of Diouf, crouch, Odem or Walters at this point and that's without factoring Joselu who I know nothing about.
Certainly not a priority, I would much prefer Moses back.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 3, 2015 15:29:15 GMT
If you honestly think he'd be in our squad before any one of those players, I think you are wrong. Honestly, he wouldn't make our bench. It's all about opinions and i respect yours but i think we have to think more long term than Crouchie,Odem and Walters.I am sure that none of them will let us down when needed but this is the type of player i believe we should be looking at. You're right, we Do have to consider the long term Liam but a SHORT TERM loan for a player that isn't (right now) as good as the options we already have is as useful as a chocolate teapot. That's how you end up with Saidi taking up a loan spot but sitting on his backside for the bulk of the season. We got Moses in last term because he was immediately BETTER than what we had and he made a telling contribution...Bamford isn't at that stage right now mate. We are busting gut to get Shaqiri because he's a huge improvement on our current options. I like Bamford and I think he'll make a 'player' but not for us right now and it's no use thinking of him as 'the future' if you can't give him opportunities now.
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Post by liam007 on Jul 3, 2015 15:30:49 GMT
A great up and coming player but I wouldn't put him in front of Diouf, crouch, Odem or Walters at this point and that's without factoring Joselu who I know nothing about. Certainly not a priority, I would much prefer Moses back. This is the great thing about The Oatcake,we can all debate and disagree about the club we love and care about.I personally would have Bamford ahead of Odem and would certainly prefer him to Moses and think he is more than good enough for our bench at least. Everyone has a different opinion though,nowt wrong with that.
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Post by liam007 on Jul 3, 2015 15:40:25 GMT
It's all about opinions and i respect yours but i think we have to think more long term than Crouchie,Odem and Walters.I am sure that none of them will let us down when needed but this is the type of player i believe we should be looking at. You're right, we Do have to consider the long term Liam but a SHORT TERM loan for a player that isn't (right now) as good as the options we already have is as useful as a chocolate teapot. That's how you end up with Saidi taking up a loan spot but sitting on his backside for the bulk of the season. We got Moses in last term because he was immediately BETTER than what we had and he made a telling contribution...Bamford isn't at that stage right now mate. We are busting gut to get Shaqiri because he's a huge improvement on our current options. I like Bamford and I think he'll make a 'player' but not for us right now and it's no use thinking of him as 'the future' if you can't give him opportunities now. You can't really make a comparison with Saidi and Bamford in my opinion.Bamford is still trying to build his career and every time i have seen him play he is a team player and will sacrifice his own game for the good of the team...typical Stoke(Just my opinion). Saidi was only interested in his own performance so therefore i don't think Bamford would be a waste of loan.I am so pleased to see the club try and attract the likes of Kono and Shaqiri,shows real ambition but i am of the opinion that signing Bamford is also a show of ambition.The lad is a future England centre forward.Rate him very highly.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 3, 2015 15:49:11 GMT
You're right, we Do have to consider the long term Liam but a SHORT TERM loan for a player that isn't (right now) as good as the options we already have is as useful as a chocolate teapot. That's how you end up with Saidi taking up a loan spot but sitting on his backside for the bulk of the season. We got Moses in last term because he was immediately BETTER than what we had and he made a telling contribution...Bamford isn't at that stage right now mate. We are busting gut to get Shaqiri because he's a huge improvement on our current options. I like Bamford and I think he'll make a 'player' but not for us right now and it's no use thinking of him as 'the future' if you can't give him opportunities now. You can't really make a comparison with Saidi and Bamford in my opinion.Bamford is still trying to build his career and every time i have seen him play he is a team player and will sacrifice his own game for the good of the team...typical Stoke(Just my opinion). Saidi was only interested in his own performance so therefore i don't think Bamford would be a waste of loan.I am so pleased to see the club try and attract the likes of Kono and Shaqiri,shows real ambition but i am of the opinion that signing Bamford is also a show of ambition.The lad is a future England centre forward.Rate him very highly. Liam, I'd agree with some of that mate if we were to actually SIGN him and look upon him as a future 'star' but we need to use our loan options very carefully this season as we don't actually need to fill out the squad any, but we do need to improve the TEAM. Bamford wouldn't be straight into our team because we have very good players here already. We need players that can actually make an impact....and I'm not saying Bamford couldn't...but he wouldn't get the chance (IMO) because he'd be behind too many of our current squad. You can live with that if he's your player and you can encourage and develop him for the future but you don't do that with short-term loan players. Ideally, your loan players will be players that you'd actually like to sign but, for whatever reason, you can't right now. As I said, I really do like the lad but not for us right now. BTW: Before the season kicks off, I'd expect us to have at least one other player that would also be ahead of him in the pecking order.
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Post by liam007 on Jul 3, 2015 15:55:08 GMT
Fair play mate,at least we can debate without falling out.Football is a game about opinions and i totally respect yours.One thing i will say though is i trust Sparky 100% and whoever he signs they will get my support. Hope you enjoy next season.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 3, 2015 16:02:48 GMT
Fair play mate,at least we can debate without falling out.Football is a game about opinions and i totally respect yours.One thing i will say though is i trust Sparky 100% and whoever he signs they will get my support. Hope you enjoy next season. Me too mate and you may well be right about Bamford going somewhere else and having a big impact because, he's clearly a talented young player. We only differ about whether or not it would be a good thing to sign him as one of loans right now.
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