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Post by jamerg on Jan 20, 2015 18:28:47 GMT
So... your point is essentially you are free to judge people on the basis of very little knowledge about them - just one feature you are able to identify? Isn't that what racism is? I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. It's perfectly acceptable to judge someone on how they behave. Calling someone an idiot for what they say (which they can help) is worlds apart from abusing someone for what they are (which they can't).
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jan 20, 2015 18:31:49 GMT
There was a bloke near me on Saturday who was being racist throughout the match. He was telling the Leciester fans to fuck off back to their cornershops and calling them pakis. It was fucking disgraceful.
From what I could tell, he was reported by several Stokies who were right next to the stewards separating the Stoke and Leicester fans on the right hand side of our allocation. The stewards did absolutely nothing during the game, maybe because they seemed quite busy trying to quell the chances of it kicking off, but I'd like to think they took down the seat number and followed it up after the game.
Other than report it, what can you do? Confront the offender and you're likely to end up in a scrap and likely to end up with a banning order yourself. Just have to hope that the authorities take it seriously and clamp down on it.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 20, 2015 18:32:43 GMT
I fingered a racist once. I didn't know she was racist at the time mind, it was when she started asking me to prove I wasn't a Jew that alarm bells started ringing. You could write a blog about that Or at least a decent letter to Fiesta
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 20, 2015 18:38:13 GMT
There was a bloke near me on Saturday who was being racist throughout the match. He was telling the Leciester fans to fuck off back to their cornershops and calling them pakis. It was fucking disgraceful. From what I could tell, he was reported by several Stokies who were right next to the stewards separating the Stoke and Leicester fans on the right hand side of our allocation. The stewards did absolutely nothing during the game, maybe because they seemed quite busy trying to quell the chances of it kicking off, but I'd like to think they took down the seat number and followed it up after the game. Other than report it, what can you do? Confront the offender and you're likely to end up in a scrap and likely to end up with a banning order yourself. Just have to hope that the authorities take it seriously and clamp down on it. The problem you have there is that it isn't always the people who bought the tickets who are in the seats. People just plonk themselves anywhere so others just fill empty seats. Many times we have just gone and stood at the back with the other standing fans. Rightly or wrongly I just ignore what is said on the terraces in the heat of the moment. To me they are only words and have myself slipped up in the past with no racist intent what so ever.
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Post by stokeloyal on Jan 20, 2015 19:23:31 GMT
Agree 100%. It is of course wrong to racially abuse anyone, but is this any worse than other abuse that gets dished out at any football game? THe ref obviously comes in for a bucket load. Wenger routinely gets labeled as a Frog something or other. Anyone with longer hair is a gypo. Any opposition (and sometimes our own)player can get dogs abuse for varying reasons. It seems that most abuse can be argued away as making the Brit an intimidating place to come? The difference is that one kind of abuse gets you a criminal record and probably a lifetime ban whereas the other type of abuse makes you fan of the year. yes, obviously. Haha it's really not surprising to see his Avatar is that of a UKIP banner... "I'm not racist but how is calling someone a "n****r" worse than calling Kitson an "orange twat"." Erm... maybe because gingers haven't faced serious mass persecution in the form of slavery, lynchings and segregation in the modern history.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 20, 2015 19:41:28 GMT
Haha it's really not surprising to see his Avatar is that of a UKIP banner... "I'm not racist but how is calling someone a "n****r" worse than calling Kitson an "orange twat"." (rofl) Erm... maybe because gingers haven't faced serious mass persecution in the form of slavery, lynchings and segregation in the modern history. Seeing as slavery was abolished in 1833, it isn't really modern history is it? I've also seen little in the way of lynchings or segregation in these parts during my lifetime. You can carry on beating yourself up about what happened a couple of centuries ago, I'm a bit more concerned about the here and now. In the here and now I see very little if any racism going on. As the Op stated a couple of supporters tried a couple of times to start a racist chant and everyone else (out of a 3k plus follwing) ignored them. What a massive problem we have, a national campaign should be started and perhaps we should have a few more threads about it. As I said earlier, theres absolutely no excuse for racist behaviour but there are lots of pretty offensive things that go on at football grounds. Is calling Wenger a French twat acceptable (xenophobia)? Is swearing when children are at the match reasonable behaviour? Why does racism get treated as some sort of special case, when the problem is relatively minor? What as my UKIP support as to do it? Or are you one of the sheep who thinks anyone wanting change in this country is a closet racist. You carry on voting the way you always have, as the 3 major parties are making such a good job of it. ::)
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Post by werrington on Jan 20, 2015 19:48:10 GMT
It's deplorable that anybody gets ridiculed wether it be skin colour, hair colour , weight, religion or gay
It's all despicable but some to think one is wrong but others are fair game
Using their analogy that people haven't been persecuted so it's ok tells me it's ok to call Chinese chinkys etc etc ?
It's all despicable with no exceptions
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 19:54:49 GMT
UKIP Pisser..
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Post by skip on Jan 20, 2015 19:55:26 GMT
Why oh why oh why did I open this thread?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 20:09:46 GMT
What you do is stand Frank Bruno next to the person who is spouting the racist chants......problem over.... any way they want it =) I thought he has resorted to hitting women, not so sure he would be hitting a man just in case he hits him back.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2015 20:14:44 GMT
Leave them to it, they make themselves look like dickheads in front of respectable folk.
The vast, vast, vast majority of people won't join in, that's the most important thing.
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Post by jamerg on Jan 20, 2015 20:15:34 GMT
It's deplorable that anybody gets ridiculed wether it be skin colour, hair colour , weight, religion or gay It's all despicable but some to think one is wrong but others are fair game Using their analogy that people haven't been persecuted so it's ok tells me it's ok to call Chinese chinkys etc etc ? It's all despicable with no exceptions I agree with you Werrington, with the exception of religion. Religion, like someone's politics, is (or at least should be) a matter of choice. People deserve respect; ideas (such as politics or religion) do not. It is vital in a free society that any and all ideas can be open to ridicule. Je Suis Charlie and all that. Pure abuse is different, of course, and I wouldn't condone that for any reason.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 20:22:41 GMT
Haha it's really not surprising to see his Avatar is that of a UKIP banner... "I'm not racist but how is calling someone a "n****r" worse than calling Kitson an "orange twat"." Erm... maybe because gingers haven't faced serious mass persecution in the form of slavery, lynchings and segregation in the modern history. Did they not burn women with ginger hair fearing they were witches, might be wrong could be something to do with flaming red hair and fires. . By the way the correct phrase for Kitson is expensive useless orange twat.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 20:28:56 GMT
Thanks Lakeland/Santy/Carps. I'm just opening it up for debate. It was just an unpleasant/awkward situation to be in - one I've been in a few times before on away games. It's just how to deal with it at the time. Beheading just MAY be OTT.
Beheading or assassinating individuals who say or do things you do not agree with appears to be all the rage now a days, Je Suis Charlie
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 20, 2015 20:33:18 GMT
Racism is quite simply never allowable or justifiable. I called various players useless bastards on many occasions, but would never abuse someone's race.
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Post by sheriff on Jan 20, 2015 20:45:47 GMT
Haha it's really not surprising to see his Avatar is that of a UKIP banner... "I'm not racist but how is calling someone a "n****r" worse than calling Kitson an "orange twat"." Erm... maybe because gingers haven't faced serious mass persecution in the form of slavery, lynchings and segregation in the modern history. Seeing as slavery was abolished in 1833, it isn't really modern history is it? I've also seen little in the way of lynchings or segregation in these parts during my lifetime. You can carry on beating yourself up about what happened a couple of centuries ago, I'm a bit more concerned about the here and now. In the here and now I see very little if any racism going on. As the Op stated a couple of supporters tried a couple of times to start a racist chant and everyone else (out of a 3k plus follwing) ignored them. What a massive problem we have, a national campaign should be started and perhaps we should have a few more threads about it. As I said earlier, theres absolutely no excuse for racist behaviour but there are lots of pretty offensive things that go on at football grounds. Is calling Wenger a French twat acceptable (xenophobia)? Is swearing when children are at the match reasonable behaviour? Why does racism get treated as some sort of special case, when the problem is relatively minor? What as my UKIP support as to do it? Or are you one of the sheep who thinks anyone wanting change in this country is a closet racist. You carry on voting the way you always have, as the 3 major parties are making such a good job of it. You're incredibly out of touch. While no form of abuse is supposed to be okay, comparing taking the mickey out of a ginger lad and racist abuse is ignorant. It's a bit astonishing the number of times I see someone feeling clever draw that exact analogy in those exact words. In any case, you're a British guy. I'm sure you feel pretty secure in your skin coming from a country which ruled much of the continents and controlled much of the seas over the last couple of centuries. If you were called a white tw.at, you probably couldn't care less. Perhaps you'd take racism just a little less flippantly if millions of your people were murdered for their ethnicity in the holocaust or millions of your chained, caged, dehumanized ancestors were shipped across the Atlantic in the slave trade, or you spent much of the last century battling for an end to apartheid or segregation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 21:04:52 GMT
Haha it's really not surprising to see his Avatar is that of a UKIP banner... "I'm not racist but how is calling someone a "n****r" worse than calling Kitson an "orange twat"." Erm... maybe because gingers haven't faced serious mass persecution in the form of slavery, lynchings and segregation in the modern history. Seeing as slavery was abolished in 1833, it isn't really modern history is it? I've also seen little in the way of lynchings or segregation in these parts during my lifetime. You can carry on beating yourself up about what happened a couple of centuries ago, I'm a bit more concerned about the here and now. In the here and now I see very little if any racism going on. As the Op stated a couple of supporters tried a couple of times to start a racist chant and everyone else (out of a 3k plus follwing) ignored them. What a massive problem we have, a national campaign should be started and perhaps we should have a few more threads about it. As I said earlier, theres absolutely no excuse for racist behaviour but there are lots of pretty offensive things that go on at football grounds. Is calling Wenger a French twat acceptable (xenophobia)? Is swearing when children are at the match reasonable behaviour? Why does racism get treated as some sort of special case, when the problem is relatively minor? What as my UKIP support as to do it? Or are you one of the sheep who thinks anyone wanting change in this country is a closet racist. You carry on voting the way you always have, as the 3 major parties are making such a good job of it. If you think rascism is a minor problem you need to give your head a wobble. Racism is alive and kicking in Stoke on Trent. I can tell you it's horrible. I've heard some of the vilest crap imaginable.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 21:06:39 GMT
Racism is quite simply never allowable or justifiable. I called various players useless bastards on many occasions, but would never abuse someone's race. How about fat bastard, gypo bastard, bald bastard etc etc is that ok with you
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 21:08:01 GMT
Seeing as slavery was abolished in 1833, it isn't really modern history is it? I've also seen little in the way of lynchings or segregation in these parts during my lifetime. You can carry on beating yourself up about what happened a couple of centuries ago, I'm a bit more concerned about the here and now. In the here and now I see very little if any racism going on. As the Op stated a couple of supporters tried a couple of times to start a racist chant and everyone else (out of a 3k plus follwing) ignored them. What a massive problem we have, a national campaign should be started and perhaps we should have a few more threads about it. As I said earlier, theres absolutely no excuse for racist behaviour but there are lots of pretty offensive things that go on at football grounds. Is calling Wenger a French twat acceptable (xenophobia)? Is swearing when children are at the match reasonable behaviour? Why does racism get treated as some sort of special case, when the problem is relatively minor? What as my UKIP support as to do it? Or are you one of the sheep who thinks anyone wanting change in this country is a closet racist. You carry on voting the way you always have, as the 3 major parties are making such a good job of it. If you think rascism is a minor problem you need to give your head a wobble. Racism is alive and kicking in Stoke on Trent. I can tell you it's horrible. I've heard some of the vilest crap imaginable. Yep Stoke-on-Trent is horrible for many reasons and it is getting worse.
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Post by chellpotter on Jan 20, 2015 21:10:58 GMT
Make use of the big screen like they do with the kiss cam etc... but have I'm Racist above their picture as the camera zooms in. Cue W@NKER! chant.
Then before the match those kicked out or banned for racist chants make a wall of shame before the next match.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 20, 2015 21:11:55 GMT
Seeing as slavery was abolished in 1833, it isn't really modern history is it? I've also seen little in the way of lynchings or segregation in these parts during my lifetime. You can carry on beating yourself up about what happened a couple of centuries ago, I'm a bit more concerned about the here and now. In the here and now I see very little if any racism going on. As the Op stated a couple of supporters tried a couple of times to start a racist chant and everyone else (out of a 3k plus follwing) ignored them. What a massive problem we have, a national campaign should be started and perhaps we should have a few more threads about it. As I said earlier, theres absolutely no excuse for racist behaviour but there are lots of pretty offensive things that go on at football grounds. Is calling Wenger a French twat acceptable (xenophobia)? Is swearing when children are at the match reasonable behaviour? Why does racism get treated as some sort of special case, when the problem is relatively minor? What as my UKIP support as to do it? Or are you one of the sheep who thinks anyone wanting change in this country is a closet racist. You carry on voting the way you always have, as the 3 major parties are making such a good job of it. ::) You're incredibly out of touch. While no form of abuse is supposed to be okay, comparing taking the mickey out of a ginger lad and racist abuse is ignorant. It's a bit astonishing the number of times I see someone feeling clever draw that exact analogy in those exact words. In any case, you're a British guy. I'm sure you feel pretty secure in your skin coming from a country which ruled much of the continents and controlled much of the seas over the last couple of centuries. If you were called a white tw.at, you probably couldn't care less. Perhaps you'd take racism just a little less flippantly if millions of your people were murdered for their ethnicity in the holocaust or millions of your chained, caged, dehumanized ancestors were shipped across the Atlantic in the slave trade, or you spent much of the last century battling for an end to apartheid or segregation. The strangest thing is that I've agreed with you on several occassions. Racism is wrong and anyone involved needs educating. What I struggle to understand, and you can call this ignorance if you want, is why we have threads week in week out about racism at the football (something I've not heard for years and even in this thread relates to 2 people out of a following of 3k plus) but sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and yes bringing it down to the lowest level gingerism never gets mentioned despite most of us hearing it week in week out? You can say it's due to the history of slavery but nobody alive today had anything to do with slavery. Apartheid happened on the other side of the world, and most of the population of this country (of all colours) demonstrated against it. We were the country that stood alone against the country that was responsible for the Holocaust. So I struggle to see why any of thats a factor. You can assume how I feel about the colour of my skin all you want (something I'd never do), but the only point I was trying to make is that I find it strange that some forms of abuse matter more than others, when IMHO all forms of abuse are as wrong as each other.
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Post by borat on Jan 20, 2015 22:21:46 GMT
There was a bloke near me on Saturday who was being racist throughout the match. He was telling the Leciester fans to fuck off back to their cornershops and calling them pakis. It was fucking disgraceful. From what I could tell, he was reported by several Stokies who were right next to the stewards separating the Stoke and Leicester fans on the right hand side of our allocation. The stewards did absolutely nothing during the game, maybe because they seemed quite busy trying to quell the chances of it kicking off, but I'd like to think they took down the seat number and followed it up after the game. Other than report it, what can you do? Confront the offender and you're likely to end up in a scrap and likely to end up with a banning order yourself. Just have to hope that the authorities take it seriously and clamp down on it. The problem you have there is that it isn't always the people who bought the tickets who are in the seats. People just plonk themselves anywhere so others just fill empty seats. Many times we have just gone and stood at the back with the other standing fans. Rightly or wrongly I just ignore what is said on the terraces in the heat of the moment. To me they are only words and have myself slipped up in the past with no racist intent what so ever. Hahaha no racist intent, I know for a fact 100% you are racist because I know someone that knows you from joedog travel!
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 22:29:15 GMT
The problem you have there is that it isn't always the people who bought the tickets who are in the seats. People just plonk themselves anywhere so others just fill empty seats. Many times we have just gone and stood at the back with the other standing fans. Rightly or wrongly I just ignore what is said on the terraces in the heat of the moment. To me they are only words and have myself slipped up in the past with no racist intent what so ever. Hahaha no racist intent, I know for a fact 100% you are racist because I know someone that knows you from joedog travel! My next door neighbours cat Mohammed knows the postman who delivers your mail and he says you are a racist 100%, what a cock end grow up soft lad.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 20, 2015 22:32:06 GMT
So... your point is essentially you are free to judge people on the basis of very little knowledge about them - just one feature you are able to identify? Isn't that what racism is?
As I said, if someone does wrong then report them. First hand experience has shown me a number of people who work long hours to support a mrs & kids and generally being what fits the description of "decent" but add a few beers to the mix and in a group with others who have been drinking and you end up with some very silly remarks from them. I don't agree with it, but I also don't see it as my place to pass judgement on what kind of person it makes them. No. noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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Post by borat on Jan 20, 2015 22:32:10 GMT
Hahaha no racist intent, I know for a fact 100% you are racist because I know someone that knows you from joedog travel! My next door neighbours cat Mohammed knows the postman who delivers your mail and he says you are a racist 100%, what a cock end grow up soft lad. Why are you sticking up for racists faggot boy? Trust me my mate knows him VERY WELL, butt out gayboy.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 20, 2015 22:35:09 GMT
My next door neighbours cat Mohammed knows the postman who delivers your mail and he says you are a racist 100%, what a cock end grow up soft lad. Why are you sticking up for racists faggot boy? Trust me my mate knows him VERY WELL, butt out gayboy. Ah, the old classic example of taking the moral high ground over a racist by handing out homophobic abuse.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 20, 2015 22:35:24 GMT
My next door neighbours cat Mohammed knows the postman who delivers your mail and he says you are a racist 100%, what a cock end grow up soft lad. Why are you sticking up for racists faggot boy? Trust me my mate knows him VERY WELL, butt out gayboy. Come on then. I would be very interested to know who your mate is. Or are you just going to make shit up from behind your keyboard? What is it like being homophobic?
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Post by borat on Jan 20, 2015 22:36:51 GMT
Why are you sticking up for racists faggot boy? Trust me my mate knows him VERY WELL, butt out gayboy. Come on then. I would be very interested to know who your mate is. Or are you just going to make shit up from behind your keyboard? What is it like being homophobic? How would I know you travel on joedog? apparently your fat with glasses and rasict?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 20, 2015 22:38:01 GMT
Come on then. I would be very interested to know who your mate is. Or are you just going to make shit up from behind your keyboard? What is it like being homophobic? How would I know you travel on joedog? apparently your fat with glasses and rasict? Haha. Deffo the wrong bloke mate. I may be slightly overweight but fuck all wrong with my eyesight. Lol
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2015 22:38:05 GMT
My next door neighbours cat Mohammed knows the postman who delivers your mail and he says you are a racist 100%, what a cock end grow up soft lad. Why are you sticking up for racists faggot boy? Trust me my mate knows him VERY WELL, butt out gayboy. how well like really well sounds interesting sweetie and he is your mate nice
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