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Post by Pugsley on Dec 14, 2014 23:09:06 GMT
Swansea's philosophy came from the boardroom and Roberto Martinez. Mourinho is the biggest pragmatist in world football so you're wrong there as well. No I'm not wrong, as I'm pointing out that we had a much less experienced manager as the ones Swansea have had. It's irrelevant what sort of person Mourinho is. What is relevant is the fact that he has been a massive success in world football and Rodgers had the chance to learn from him. Martinez went from playing for to managing Swansea and started the ball rolling for them along with a visionary Chairman and board. Pulis had been 'Managing' for 10 years or more before he joined us. You're wrong.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Dec 14, 2014 23:20:09 GMT
No I'm not wrong, as I'm pointing out that we had a much less experienced manager as the ones Swansea have had. It's irrelevant what sort of person Mourinho is. What is relevant is the fact that he has been a massive success in world football and Rodgers had the chance to learn from him. Martinez went from playing for to managing Swansea and started the ball rolling for them along with a visionary Chairman and board. Pulis had been 'Managing' for 10 years or more before he joined us. You're wrong. We've been talking about the philosophies of the managers and not the chairman and board, or is it more convenient for your point if we were to give credit to the Swansea's chairman and board and just leave all of the responsibility of how Stoke performed on Pulis? I take it, based on your points, that Coates etc had the exact same vision as the Swansea owners but it was Pulis that forced the style upon him and he had no say in the matter? For a manager who was supposedly as unsuccessful as you've been trying to point out, they stuck by him long enough.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 14, 2014 23:22:10 GMT
Martinez went from playing for to managing Swansea and started the ball rolling for them along with a visionary Chairman and board. Pulis had been 'Managing' for 10 years or more before he joined us. You're wrong. We've been talking about the philosophies of the managers and not the chairman and board, or is it more convenient for your point if we were to give credit to the Swansea's chairman and board and just leave all of the responsibility of how Stoke performed on Pulis? I take it, based on your points, that Coates etc had the exact same vision as the Swansea owners but it was Pulis that forced the style upon him and he had no say in the matter? For a manager who was supposedly as unsuccessful as you've been trying to point out, they stuck by him long enough. You said Swansea's success is based on more experienced managers than Pulis. You are wrong and you know you are. I've never said Pulis was unsuccessful. Stop making shit up.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Dec 14, 2014 23:36:40 GMT
We've been talking about the philosophies of the managers and not the chairman and board, or is it more convenient for your point if we were to give credit to the Swansea's chairman and board and just leave all of the responsibility of how Stoke performed on Pulis? I take it, based on your points, that Coates etc had the exact same vision as the Swansea owners but it was Pulis that forced the style upon him and he had no say in the matter? For a manager who was supposedly as unsuccessful as you've been trying to point out, they stuck by him long enough. You said Swansea's success is based on more experienced managers than Pulis. You are wrong and you know you are. I've never said Pulis was unsuccessful. Stop making shit up. The post I made about him being less experienced was wrong, or should I say worded incorrectly. I was referring to the quality of his experience compared to the others. However, my point still stands that playing for some of the best clubs in the world and working under one of the best managers in the world provides a better quality experience than playing and managing at the level Pulis had before Stoke. Your point about the Swansea board is completely irrelevant as we're talking about the managers involved. Mourinho being the type of person he is, is also completely irrelevant as he has still brought about success and Rodgers had learnt from that closely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 2:34:12 GMT
once again the oatcake mb embarrasses itself. showing a distinct lack of respect and humility about our former manager.thank fuck the britt never echoed those views. which tells you all you need to know about the type of supporters we have on here!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 2:54:53 GMT
once again the oatcake mb embarrasses itself. showing a distinct lack of respect and humility about our former manager.thank fuck the britt never echoed those views. which tells you all you need to know about the type of supporters we have on here! It will never change mate, keyboard warriors who know fuck all about fuck all, yet they know everything about everything when the get behind a screen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 7:37:58 GMT
once again the oatcake mb embarrasses itself. showing a distinct lack of respect and humility about our former manager.thank fuck the britt never echoed those views. which tells you all you need to know about the type of supporters we have on here! It will never change mate, keyboard warriors who know fuck all about fuck all, yet they know everything about everything when the get behind a screen. unfortunatly mate you are correct.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:02:41 GMT
Hughes out.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2014 8:06:38 GMT
You said Swansea's success is based on more experienced managers than Pulis. You are wrong and you know you are. I've never said Pulis was unsuccessful. Stop making shit up. The post I made about him being less experienced was wrong, or should I say worded incorrectly. I was referring to the quality of his experience compared to the others. However, my point still stands that playing for some of the best clubs in the world and working under one of the best managers in the world provides a better quality experience than playing and managing at the level Pulis had before Stoke. Your point about the Swansea board is completely irrelevant as we're talking about the managers involved. Mourinho being the type of person he is, is also completely irrelevant as he has still brought about success and Rodgers had learnt from that closely.
Swansea started out with Martinez who played for them and Wigan when not in the top flight. Rodgers took over and developed it further, despite failing at those superpowers Watford and Reading. It's got nothing to do whether a manager had played for a top club, been surrounded by 'top managers', it's to do with their footballing philosophy. The Swansea owners laid out a plan for the way they wanted to do things and implemented it. The facts are, and some Stoke fans cannot handle it, that Swansea did it better than us, won a cup (beating Chelsea over two legs btw) all for a fraction of what we spent.
The Pulis philosophy is to play very direct and to organise experience pro's (who cost a lot of money) with minimal football coaching. Why do you think he is not in a job with his record? It's staring everyone in the face.
You are wrong on all levels.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:10:44 GMT
The post I made about him being less experienced was wrong, or should I say worded incorrectly. I was referring to the quality of his experience compared to the others. However, my point still stands that playing for some of the best clubs in the world and working under one of the best managers in the world provides a better quality experience than playing and managing at the level Pulis had before Stoke. Your point about the Swansea board is completely irrelevant as we're talking about the managers involved. Mourinho being the type of person he is, is also completely irrelevant as he has still brought about success and Rodgers had learnt from that closely.
Swansea started out with Martinez who played for them and Wigan when not in the top flight. Rodgers took over and developed it further, despite failing at those superpowers Watford and Reading.  It's got nothing to do whether a manager had played for a top club, been surrounded by 'top managers', it's to do with their footballing philosophy. The Swansea owners laid out a plan for the way they wanted to do things and implemented it. The facts are, and some Stoke fans cannot handle it, that Swansea did it better than us, won a cup (beating Chelsea over two legs btw) all for a fraction of what we spent.
The Pulis philosophy is to play very direct and to organise experience pro's (who cost a lot of money) with minimal football coaching. Why do you think he is not in a job with his record? It's staring everyone in the face.
You are wrong on all levels.
Good lord puds you talk some wank. Sooner Hughes goes the better....couldn't organise a piss up let alone a defence....he'd be best getting in Johan and the boys for a piss up.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2014 8:20:14 GMT
Swansea started out with Martinez who played for them and Wigan when not in the top flight. Rodgers took over and developed it further, despite failing at those superpowers Watford and Reading. It's got nothing to do whether a manager had played for a top club, been surrounded by 'top managers', it's to do with their footballing philosophy. The Swansea owners laid out a plan for the way they wanted to do things and implemented it. The facts are, and some Stoke fans cannot handle it, that Swansea did it better than us, won a cup (beating Chelsea over two legs btw) all for a fraction of what we spent.
The Pulis philosophy is to play very direct and to organise experience pro's (who cost a lot of money) with minimal football coaching. Why do you think he is not in a job with his record? It's staring everyone in the face.
You are wrong on all levels.
Good lord puds you talk some wank. Sooner Hughes goes the better....couldn't organise a piss up let alone a defence....he'd be best getting in Johan and the boys for a piss up.
Where have I mentioned Hughes numb nuts? Carry on making shit up.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 15, 2014 8:23:31 GMT
Could see him thanking that job on.
Its only down the motorway so its easy to get to for him, plus there doesn't seem to be any Prem jobs on offer right now.
Pends how much he wants to get back into management as Id imagine that the punditry stuff probably keeps him ticking over quite nicely.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:24:40 GMT
Good lord puds you talk some wank. Sooner Hughes goes the better....couldn't organise a piss up let alone a defence....he'd be best getting in Johan and the boys for a piss up.
Where have I mentioned Hughes numb nuts? Carry on making shit up.
I didn't say that you have mentioned Hughes. Reflect before carrying on making shit up next time numbsack.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2014 8:25:49 GMT
Where have I mentioned Hughes numb nuts? Carry on making shit up.
I didn't say that you have mentioned Hughes. Reflect before carrying on making shit up next time numbsack.
Everything I've said about Swansea is correct.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:29:39 GMT
I didn't say that you have mentioned Hughes. Reflect before carrying on making shit up next time numbsack.
Everything I've said about Swansea is correct.
Couldn't give a fcuk what you say about Swansea however correct it may be, whereas the bullshit you spout towards one if our most successful manager is fcuking pathetic considering what he achieved. Still, Hughes out. How's that for spouting?.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 15, 2014 8:42:08 GMT
Everything I've said about Swansea is correct.
Couldn't give a fcuk what you say about Swansea however correct it may be, whereas the bullshit you spout towards one if our most successful manager is fcuking pathetic considering what he achieved. Still, Hughes out. How's that for spouting?. Might be a good idea for you to have 'Hughes Out' as part of your avatar or signature tazi, just to let people know where you stand..
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2014 8:43:52 GMT
Everything I've said about Swansea is correct.
Couldn't give a fcuk what you say about Swansea however correct it may be, whereas the bullshit you spout towards one if our most successful manager is fcuking pathetic considering what he achieved. Still, Hughes out. How's that for spouting?.
If you want out the manager who has delivered our best ever PL season then fine, it's your opinion, no matter how fucked up it may be.
What bullshit have I spouted against Pulis - it's all perfectly correct?
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:44:30 GMT
Couldn't give a fcuk what you say about Swansea however correct it may be, whereas the bullshit you spout towards one if our most successful manager is fcuking pathetic considering what he achieved. Still, Hughes out. How's that for spouting?. And take that extensive coaching manual 'along with those coaches' with you. Maybe it'd make good reading for rower..
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Post by elystokie on Dec 15, 2014 8:45:58 GMT
And take that extensive coaching manual 'along with those coaches' with you. Maybe it'd make good reading for rower.. Random. Sherry for breakfast? I suppose it is nearly Xmas.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:48:08 GMT
Couldn't give a fcuk what you say about Swansea however correct it may be, whereas the bullshit you spout towards one if our most successful manager is fcuking pathetic considering what he achieved. Still, Hughes out. How's that for spouting?.
If you want out the manager who has delivered our best ever PL season then fine, it's your opinion, no matter how fucked up it may be.
What bullshit have I spouted against Pulis - it's all perfectly correct?
Thanks for the distant best ever finish to our premier league Marky Mark and De Boyzzzz. Now clear the fcuk out. Sham fcuking bolic, toothless up top and calamitous at the back.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2014 8:48:38 GMT
And take that extensive coaching manual 'along with those coaches' with you. Maybe it'd make good reading for rower..
Two words... 'The Dossier'
Keep mugging yourself off mate.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:49:08 GMT
And take that extensive coaching manual 'along with those coaches' with you. Maybe it'd make good reading for rower.. Random. Sherry for breakfast? I suppose it is nearly Xmas. Hee hee hee.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 8:50:36 GMT
And take that extensive coaching manual 'along with those coaches' with you. Maybe it'd make good reading for rower..
Two words... 'The Dossier'
Keep mugging yourself off mate.
I don't know what's worse, having a dossier or having no paddle.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 15, 2014 8:58:29 GMT
Random. Sherry for breakfast? I suppose it is nearly Xmas. Hee hee hee. Rower and me will be in the Bush Xmas day, from about 12-2, pop along, you can ask him yourself
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 9:02:07 GMT
Rower and me will be in the Bush Xmas day, from about 12-2, pop along, you can ask him yourself Fcuk me I've already had one brawl over that pool table. Lol.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 15, 2014 9:07:46 GMT
Rower and me will be in the Bush Xmas day, from about 12-2, pop along, you can ask him yourself Fcuk me I've already had one brawl over that pool table. Lol. Maybe we could move it out of the way Tell you what, we could treat it like WW1 and have a kick about on the car park instead, I'll even buy you a pint afterwards? Save the brawling for Boxing Day
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 9:09:19 GMT
the lack of respect for TP has always been appaling. Luckily it is isnt universal. It certainly isnt there from players who worked with him. Those that did slag TP were quickly shown the door by Hughes himself when he realised their attitude. As supporters of old look at Waddington with fondness thats how I'll always look at Pulis. I support Mark Hughes,no question on that. I follow the lads home and away but have respect for those that did good for my club. With Pulis only Waddington was better,in my opinion, and he was the best manager in my 34 years supporting Stoke.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 9:10:12 GMT
Fcuk me I've already had one brawl over that pool table. Lol. Maybe we could move it out of the way Tell you what, we could treat it like WW1 and have a kick about on the car park instead, I'll even buy you a pint afterwards? Save the brawling for Boxing Day Ha ha like it. I'd probably hoof it through someone's window. I'm working Christmas Eve and Christmas Day night too.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 15, 2014 9:20:35 GMT
Maybe we could move it out of the way Tell you what, we could treat it like WW1 and have a kick about on the car park instead, I'll even buy you a pint afterwards? Save the brawling for Boxing Day Ha ha like it. I'd probably hoof it through someone's window. I'm working Christmas Eve and Christmas Day night too. You're free during the day then I'm working all over next Xmas, it'll be only the 3rd Xmas of my life I haven't spent in Stoke, not looking forward to it at all.
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Post by tazi on Dec 15, 2014 9:26:38 GMT
Ha ha like it. I'd probably hoof it through someone's window. I'm working Christmas Eve and Christmas Day night too. You're free during the day then I'm working all over next Xmas, it'll be only the 3rd Xmas of my life I haven't spent in Stoke, not looking forward to it at all. Lol. I bet you're not. Work stinks and especially at Xmas.
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