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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 17:14:19 GMT
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for. The back 4 was all over the place in his absence. Hopefully some of that nonsense is now put to bed.
On a separate note, Arnie was shockingly poor today. Something not quite right there. We've all seen he's much much better than that.
No points at home again. This is the story of our season.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 22, 2014 17:22:34 GMT
Come back Mark Wilson all is forgiven. At least Stoke might only concede 1 silly goal a match.
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Post by robstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:24:45 GMT
I don't think Wilson being out changed much, In fact we looked just the same for it TBH (which is worrying) Bego was at fault for the 1st and Wilson would have probably dropped a bollock somewhere else.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 17:24:45 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem?
Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 22, 2014 17:26:08 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. Arnies crossing was awful
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:26:54 GMT
I don't want any CM's pretending to be CB's Wilson included, we'd of lost with Wilson as well. The first 20 minutes our fullbacks were wingers and we deservedly got caught out. Can't blame our CB's for that. What we do need is to spend on a CB desperately in the window.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:27:43 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. The centre of defence is only part of the problem. the lack of creativity is the main one. Bojan and Adam are the only ones who create. Moses wants to beat his marker to many times which allows the defence to recover.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 22, 2014 17:28:04 GMT
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for. The back 4 was all over the place in his absence. Hopefully some of that nonsense is now put to bed. On a separate note, Arnie was shockingly poor today. Something not quite right there. We've all seen he's much much better than that. No points at home again. This is the story of our season. To be fair, we've lost 3 home games this season against clubs we would have expected to take points from, and Wilson played in two of them. Not putting it entirely down to him of course but I think our defence has been making stupid errors all season. Poor again today with no Wilson but we've defended badly with him there too.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:28:37 GMT
I don't want any CM's pretending to be CB's Wilson included, we'd of lost with Wilson as well. The first 20 minutes our fullbacks were wingers and we deservedly got caught out. Can't blame our CB's for that. What we do need is to spend on a CB desperately in the window. 'Wow a sure sign that 'Geoff' was in the middle
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Post by jbstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:29:50 GMT
How many people wanted Wilson replaced with Cameron?
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 17:30:31 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. The centre of defence is only part of the problem. the lack of creativity is the main one. Bojan and Adam are the only ones who create. Moses wants to beat his marker to many times which allows the defence to recover. Today was Ryan's worst game since Bolton away. When he's all at sea, something really is amiss. Every single one of the defenders was culpable in the early shitstorm.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:30:50 GMT
I don't want any CM's pretending to be CB's Wilson included, we'd of lost with Wilson as well. The first 20 minutes our fullbacks were wingers and we deservedly got caught out. Can't blame our CB's for that. What we do need is to spend on a CB desperately in the window. 'Wow a sure sign that 'Geoff' was in the middle Where was Bardlsey for the cross to Ings foot from his position? Ohh that's right he was at the half-line. Or lest we forget your weekly criticism for Geoff at RB? Hypocrite... lol
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:32:08 GMT
'Wow a sure sign that 'Geoff' was in the middle Where was Bardlsey for the cross to Ings foot from his position? Ohh that's right he was at the half-line. Or lest we forget your weekly criticism for Geoff at RB? Hypocrite... lol Where was 'Geoff' when Ings scored the 2nd? Oh yes watching it go past him But then again you have never seen 'Geoff' make a mistake lmao
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 22, 2014 17:33:57 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. The centre of defence is only part of the problem. the lack of creativity is the main one. Bojan and Adam are the only ones who create. Moses wants to beat his marker to many times which allows the defence to recover. We controlled the game for almost the full 90 minutes today. Even with conceding the two goals, we were toothless once again in front of goal. Bojan can create all he likes, but we need a goal scorer to compliment him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 17:33:50 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. Arnies crossing was awful It wasn't that good mate.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:34:51 GMT
Where was Bardlsey for the cross to Ings foot from his position? Ohh that's right he was at the half-line. Or lest we forget your weekly criticism for Geoff at RB? Hypocrite... lol Where was 'Geoff' when Ings scored the 2nd? Oh yes watching it go past him He couldn't mark his and Ryan's man.. he chose wrong. The second wouldn't of happened if Bardsley showed up before the 25th minute mark today, the first because of Muniesa doing exactly what Bardsley was... trying to go forward.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:35:31 GMT
The centre of defence is only part of the problem. the lack of creativity is the main one. Bojan and Adam are the only ones who create. Moses wants to beat his marker to many times which allows the defence to recover. We controlled the game for almost the full 90 minutes today. Even with conceding the two goals, we were toothless once again in front of goal. Bojan can create all he likes, but we need a goal scorer to compliment him. How many chances did we actually create?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:36:26 GMT
Where was 'Geoff' when Ings scored the 2nd? Oh yes watching it go past him He couldn't mark his and Ryan's man.. he chose wrong. The second wouldn't of happened if Bardsley showed up before the 25th minute mark today, the first because of Muniesa doing exactly what Bardsley was... trying to go forward. LOL so it was Bardsley and Ryans fault. lol he stood in between and watched it go by.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 22, 2014 17:38:28 GMT
He couldn't mark his and Ryan's man.. he chose wrong. The second wouldn't of happened if Bardsley showed up before the 25th minute mark today, the first because of Muniesa doing exactly what Bardsley was... trying to go forward. LOL so it was Bardsley and Ryans fault. lol he stood in between and watched it go by. Let's be honest here, it wasn't ONE man's fault but rank poor defending all round.
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Post by basingstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:38:52 GMT
How many people wanted Wilson replaced with Cameron? Nah, Barnsley, Shawcross, Muniesa, Pieters is the back 4 for me Assuming Huth is out. When he's ready I think he should get 3-4 games to bed in before we judge him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 17:39:09 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. If you think it's acceptable for a man to turn his back on the play and force his captain and centre half to take a corner because he was mummbling expletives to himself is fine then good for you. If I'd a been Hughes Arnie would have been dragged off before you could say edelweiss and he would never ever play again.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:39:40 GMT
He couldn't mark his and Ryan's man.. he chose wrong. The second wouldn't of happened if Bardsley showed up before the 25th minute mark today, the first because of Muniesa doing exactly what Bardsley was... trying to go forward. LOL so it was Bardsley and Ryans fault. lol he stood in between and watched it go by. No the goal was Bardsley fault. He lost possession chasing his man forward off of a throw-in. Ryan dashed to pick up his man on the wing and left his position, Geoff stayed central and Bardsley's man picked out Ings before Geoff or Bego could block it. It all came from a Bardsley's slide tackle after he was caught out a massive mistake but seeing as your blind as shit I'm not surprised.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:39:56 GMT
LOL so it was Bardsley and Ryans fault. lol he stood in between and watched it go by. Let's be honest here, it wasn't ONE man's fault but rank poor defending all round. No it was Bardsley's fault for being to far up the pitch on a throw-in sucking ryan out. Sorry.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:41:30 GMT
LOL so it was Bardsley and Ryans fault. lol he stood in between and watched it go by. No the goal was Bardsley fault. He lost possession chasing his man forward off of a throw-in. Ryan dashed to pick up his man on the wing and left his position, Geoff stayed central and Bardsley's man picked out Ings before Geoff or Bego could block it. It all came from a Bardsley's slide tackle after he was caught out a massive mistake but seeing as your blind as shit I'm not surprised. Bardsley was at fault yes, but 'Geoff' Didn't even attempt to get to the ball Specsavers say my eyes are great
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 22, 2014 17:41:36 GMT
We controlled the game for almost the full 90 minutes today. Even with conceding the two goals, we were toothless once again in front of goal. Bojan can create all he likes, but we need a goal scorer to compliment him. How many chances did we actually create? Exactly. He has to have the players around him, who can actually control a football, pass and move incisively.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 22, 2014 17:42:18 GMT
Where was Bardlsey for the cross to Ings foot from his position? Ohh that's right he was at the half-line. Or lest we forget your weekly criticism for Geoff at RB? Hypocrite... lol Where was 'Geoff' when Ings scored the 2nd? Oh yes watching it go past him But then again you have never seen 'Geoff' make a mistake lmao I was actually joking when I said Blame Cameron. You truly are the gift that keeps on giving
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:45:47 GMT
No the goal was Bardsley fault. He lost possession chasing his man forward off of a throw-in. Ryan dashed to pick up his man on the wing and left his position, Geoff stayed central and Bardsley's man picked out Ings before Geoff or Bego could block it. It all came from a Bardsley's slide tackle after he was caught out a massive mistake but seeing as your blind as shit I'm not surprised. Bardsley was at fault yes, but 'Geoff' Didn't even attempt to get to the ball Specsavers say my eyes are great Your still missing the main reason for them to have the ball in our half, and their cross and the fact our RB was at the half-way line "out of position" as you say, weekly. Typical hypocrite. But blame Geoff for having two men by himself in the box. Your missing the plot, no sense in even debating with someone who only see's the final third.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 22, 2014 17:46:27 GMT
Let's be honest here, it wasn't ONE man's fault but rank poor defending all round. No it was Bardsley's fault for being to far up the pitch on a throw-in sucking ryan out. Sorry. We attack and defend as a team. Barsley was caught out but we ask our full backs to push forward and we then need to cover for that. They MUST go through this stuff time and time again in training and the defence (as a whole) were responsible. Defenders make individual mistakes but the defending, in this case, was poor all round.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:46:55 GMT
Bardsley was at fault yes, but 'Geoff' Didn't even attempt to get to the ball Specsavers say my eyes are great Your still missing the main reason for them to have the ball in our half, and their cross and the fact our RB was at the half-way line "out of position" as you say, weekly. Typical hypocrite. But blame Geoff for having two men by himself in the box. Your missing the plot, no sense in even debating with someone who only see's the final third. Im not used to seeing a RB out of position though
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Post by borat on Nov 22, 2014 17:47:14 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. Are u pissed up? Im a fan of arnie but this season and especially today he was woeful and dont get me started on his crossing.
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