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Post by jarvinski on Nov 22, 2014 21:37:35 GMT
I think you are being too harsh on Arnie, he did all right but he wouldn't have been my choice to replace victor, surely it had to be assaidi
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 22, 2014 21:38:24 GMT
He really doesn't look up for it at all. What gets me is he has talent in spades but just doesn't make the most of it. Too many times he plays a pass and then stands still, not moving to receive the ball back. He is good enough but he's not playing like it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 21:38:55 GMT
It wasn't and it isn't.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 22, 2014 21:40:37 GMT
Are you saying you know what the manager instructed him to do second half? He was playing wide right wasn't he? Wide players are generally there to put crosses into the box. He didn't put one in so he is either incapable, out of position or hiding. You can't have it all ways. Good job he wasn't playing out wide when he headed the ball into the net then.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 22, 2014 21:40:31 GMT
We could take the fee in coins to avoid bank charges or would actually have to pay
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 22, 2014 21:40:46 GMT
Sell him? No. Find a way to get him playing like last season would be my preferred option. A lot of the criticism of him seems to be personal, and considering his form during the second half of last season, I'm surprised how easily people have turned against him - or maybe they're the same people that barely gave him a chance from the moment he got here, and have now taken the opportunity, while they can, to just slag him off. I couldn't see that he did a lot wrong today. A couple of his passes were beyond anything anyone else achieved, and they couldn't get the ball off him once he was in possession. Give him a run in the team, and he'll come good. He will come good given the chance but he needs to start to do that Therefore he has to grab his opportunities when he can
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 22, 2014 21:41:28 GMT
You've got the right name there youth, it's mystical to me you know how to write
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 22, 2014 21:44:27 GMT
He was playing wide right wasn't he? Wide players are generally there to put crosses into the box. He didn't put one in so he is either incapable, out of position or hiding. You can't have it all ways. Good job he wasn't playing out wide when he headed the ball into the net then. Indeed but from the second phase of a corner you wouldn't expect him to be would you? By your logic Arnie could have escaped criticism for overhitting his crosses had he simply nit bothered to put himself into positions to cross the ball.
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 22, 2014 21:46:22 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of the stadium, we could sell it, pay off the mortgage and downsize to a nice three bed semi
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Post by wearestoke80 on Nov 22, 2014 21:47:12 GMT
No-one can deny that arnie has been shit this season
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 22, 2014 21:48:59 GMT
For all you cunts that are slaggin off Arnie, its a SQUAD we're supporting. Every one of the 25 deserve our support, win lose or draw. We had a bad day at the office but we move onto the next game I wouldnt like to be in the trenches with some of you fuckin arsewipes when the chips are down Youre a FUCKIN EMBARRASEMENT TO THE CLUB Arnie certainly seems to be embracing that too. You seem to be making a good fist of it as well fella
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 21:49:12 GMT
Anyone who thinks we should sell Arnie knows fuck all about football and also has a memory shorter than Cliff Carr.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 22, 2014 21:55:51 GMT
Good job he wasn't playing out wide when he headed the ball into the net then. Indeed but from the second phase of a corner you wouldn't expect him to be would you? By your logic Arnie could have escaped criticism for overhitting his crosses had he simply nit bothered to put himself into positions to cross the ball. By your logic you are trying to say Arnie was more effective than Walters.Sorry to piss on your fire but he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 21:57:03 GMT
Sell him? No. Find a way to get him playing like last season would be my preferred option. A lot of the criticism of him seems to be personal, and considering his form during the second half of last season, I'm surprised how easily people have turned against him - or maybe they're the same people that barely gave him a chance from the moment he got here, and have now taken the opportunity, while they can, to just slag him off. I couldn't see that he did a lot wrong today. A couple of his passes were beyond anything anyone else achieved, and they couldn't get the ball off him once he was in possession. Give him a run in the team, and he'll come good. He will come good given the chance but he needs to start to do that Therefore he has to grab his opportunities when he can I don't think he let anyone down today, but at the moment, it's hard to see how he's going to get a run of games. Moses is starting to get criticism, but we still don't look the same team without him, and on the other side, Walters has become the man who wouldn't die - you just can't write him off. I don't want anyone to get injured, but unless he does something really spectacular in his 20 minute cameos, that's the only way he's going to get back in. And that's a real shame as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 22, 2014 21:58:58 GMT
He will come good given the chance but he needs to start to do that Therefore he has to grab his opportunities when he can I don't think he let anyone down today, but at the moment, it's hard to see how he's going to get a run of games. Moses is starting to get criticism, but we still don't look the same team without him, and on the other side, Walters has become the man who wouldn't die - you just can't write him off. I don't want anyone to get injured, but unless he does something really spectacular in his 20 minute cameos, that's the only way he's going to get back in. And that's a real shame as far as I'm concerned. Exactly as I see it.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2014 22:05:52 GMT
He deserved a run of games ahead of Walters, Moses or Pottermus based on what?
Just what has he done this season that makes you think "hang on, he's onto something here!"
Hull? Sunderland? Today?
He left our CB and best header to take a corner!
He just doesn't care!
He needs to go. His head is gone
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 22, 2014 22:08:02 GMT
Indeed but from the second phase of a corner you wouldn't expect him to be would you? By your logic Arnie could have escaped criticism for overhitting his crosses had he simply nit bothered to put himself into positions to cross the ball. By your logic you are trying to say Arnie was more effective than Walters.Sorry to piss on your fire but he wasn't. I actually said he did as much and more than Moses. Walters is Walters. He tries his best but he is next to useless in the wide position against teams who play 10 at the back. Today was no different but he was by no means our worst player today. Edit - you couldn't piss on anyone's bonfire let alone mine.
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Post by tazi on Nov 22, 2014 22:09:30 GMT
Arnie certainly seems to be embracing that too. You seem to be making a good fist of it as well fella Yes I put money into the club, encourage and support players throughout the match 'never slag them off during it' so you're correct I am indeed making a good fist of it. Infact it's the best fist one can have.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2014 22:10:04 GMT
By your logic you are trying to say Arnie was more effective than Walters.Sorry to piss on your fire but he wasn't. I actually said he did as much and more than Moses. Walters is Walters. He tries his best but he is next to useless in the wide position against teams who play 10 at the back. Today was no different but he was by no means our worst player today. So would you pick Arnie ahead of Moses? I respect your opinion as much as is possible but you'll be in a very small minority with those views. At least Victor didn't shy away from corners
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Post by tazi on Nov 22, 2014 22:12:31 GMT
Give over as I'm not one who revels in a loss, however I am a cunt. You don't revel in a defeat? One of the biggest lies I've read on this message board. I've never revelled in a defeat. However I get sick of hearing Arnies this and Arnies that when in fact he's been pretty downright fcuking awful.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 22, 2014 22:13:41 GMT
I actually said he did as much and more than Moses. Walters is Walters. He tries his best but he is next to useless in the wide position against teams who play 10 at the back. Today was no different but he was by no means our worst player today. So would you pick Arnie ahead of Moses? I respect your opinion as much as is possible but you'll be in a very small minority with those views. At least Victor didn't shy away from corners I haven't said id pick Arnie ahead of anyone. He hasn't been playing well and needs to take his chance when it comes. This corner thing is a joke. At the time bardsley was on corner duty and Arnie took up the position he did on every corner. Perhaps we'd do better if Moses did opt out of taking corners.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 22, 2014 22:13:46 GMT
Anyone who thinks we should sell Arnie knows fuck all about football and also has a memory shorter than Cliff Carr. Go on then - explain - except for last 2 months of last year - please explain why
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 22, 2014 22:24:17 GMT
You don't revel in a defeat? One of the biggest lies I've read on this message board. I've never revelled in a defeat. However I get sick of hearing Arnies this and Arnies that when in fact he's been pretty downright fcuking awful. You were revelling in it last season when Birmingham came scored in the cup. So much so you deleted the posts. Embarrassing is was for you. If TP had signed Arnie you'd be defending him to the hilt. Arnie's performance today was nowhere near as bad you suggest. You won't admit to it because you have your own personal shot stirring agenda.
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Post by tazi on Nov 22, 2014 22:25:18 GMT
I've never revelled in a defeat. However I get sick of hearing Arnies this and Arnies that when in fact he's been pretty downright fcuking awful. You were revelling in it last season when Birmingham came scored in the cup. So much so you deleted the posts. Embarrassing is was for you. If TP had signed Arnie you'd be defending him to the hilt. Arnie's performance today was nowhere near as bad you suggest. You won't admit to it because you have your own personal shot stirring agenda. Revelling?....most certainly not. Edit. What's a shot stirring agenda?. As for if TP had signed Arnie I'd be defending him to the hilt that's a little bit of a silly thing to say because it's blatantly obvious one couldn't possibly defend that. Time to go Arnie.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 22, 2014 22:25:36 GMT
By your logic you are trying to say Arnie was more effective than Walters.Sorry to piss on your fire but he wasn't. I actually said he did as much and more than Moses. Walters is Walters. He tries his best but he is next to useless in the wide position against teams who play 10 at the back. Today was no different but he was by no means our worst player today. Edit - you couldn't piss on anyone's bonfire let alone mine. You actually said one good cross was more than Walters and Moses delivered.Forget about the goal Walters delivered into the back of the net?
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2014 22:27:24 GMT
I've never revelled in a defeat. However I get sick of hearing Arnies this and Arnies that when in fact he's been pretty downright fcuking awful. You were revelling in it last season when Birmingham came scored in the cup. So much so you deleted the posts. Embarrassing is was for you. If TP had signed Arnie you'd be defending him to the hilt. Arnie's performance today was nowhere near as bad you suggest. You won't admit to it because you have your own personal shot stirring agenda. Pulis signed some tripe. I'll defend players like Mama, Rory, Cressewell because they 100% got Stoke City. Players like Arbie don't deserve our loyal vacking
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2014 22:27:38 GMT
I've never revelled in a defeat. However I get sick of hearing Arnies this and Arnies that when in fact he's been pretty downright fcuking awful. You were revelling in it last season when Birmingham came scored in the cup. So much so you deleted the posts. Embarrassing is was for you. If TP had signed Arnie you'd be defending him to the hilt. Arnie's performance today was nowhere near as bad you suggest. You won't admit to it because you have your own personal shot stirring agenda. Pulis signed some tripe. I'll defend players like Mama, Rory, Cressewell because they 100% got Stoke City. Players like Arnie don't deserve our loyal backing
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 22, 2014 22:42:18 GMT
You were revelling in it last season when Birmingham came scored in the cup. So much so you deleted the posts. Embarrassing is was for you. If TP had signed Arnie you'd be defending him to the hilt. Arnie's performance today was nowhere near as bad you suggest. You won't admit to it because you have your own personal shot stirring agenda. Pulis signed some tripe. I'll defend players like Mama, Rory, Cressewell because they 100% got Stoke City. Players like Arnie don't deserve our loyal backing People see what they want. Some can't see any good in Walters, Whelan or Wilson. Refuse to acknowledge when they play well. Obviously you're like that with Arnie. Sad people can't judge our players fairly.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2014 22:53:34 GMT
Pulis signed some tripe. I'll defend players like Mama, Rory, Cressewell because they 100% got Stoke City. Players like Arnie don't deserve our loyal backing People see what they want. Some can't see any good in Walters, Whelan or Wilson. Refuse to acknowledge when they play well. Obviously you're like that with Arnie. Sad people can't judge our players fairly. If he played well, I'd accept it just like I have on numerous occasions. Sadly these occasions are very few and very far between. Today I saw a man who didn't want to be here
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Post by slother on Nov 22, 2014 23:05:35 GMT
Watching MOTD has made me no less angry. He's fucking walking. He's got his back to fucking play. Fuck him off.
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