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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 30, 2014 5:47:20 GMT
...and he still can't get a game!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 6:21:51 GMT
Pumpkinhead Mason bought long ago into the 'dirty Stoke' label. He always gives us nowt and treats fouls by us differently to fouls by the opposition.
Crouch was clumsy more than anything. First was never a yellow but once you've been booked you don't make that kind of challenge.
Pet peeve of mine is fans who clap off red carded players. Never understood that.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Oct 30, 2014 6:39:14 GMT
We were poor in the first half, no doubt about that. I'm disappointed to have to say Crouch lost it for us, though. After just coming back from two down and just being booked, you'd think he, of all people, would have more about him not to do a stupid challenge like that.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 30, 2014 7:19:42 GMT
Has crouch ever been sent off before?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 7:45:20 GMT
Does this mean Crouch misses the West Ham game? that's the real cost of the red for me, he would've been starting on Saturday.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 7:53:41 GMT
Has crouch ever been sent off before? Yeah, for Spurs against Real Madrid in the Champions League in pretty similar circumstances.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 30, 2014 9:49:05 GMT
Has crouch ever been sent off before? Yeah, for Spurs against Real Madrid in the Champions League in pretty similar circumstances. Oh yeah I remember that one now Rob thanks.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 30, 2014 9:57:19 GMT
Yeah, for Spurs against Real Madrid in the Champions League in pretty similar circumstances. Oh yeah I remember that one now Rob thanks. And in the next game he scored two against us
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 30, 2014 10:02:06 GMT
For those not happy about the 1st yellow and Fonte's involvement. I'm fairly sure the yellow was for persistent fouls in quick succession, which will have been what Fonte moaned about. It's unlike Crouch but it was like he was sent out to put himself about, unfortunately he didn't get any of the ball in his 1st 3 challenges and I thought the yellow was justifiable. The 2nd yellow could easily have been a straight red.
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Post by Gods on Oct 30, 2014 10:10:15 GMT
For those not happy about the 1st yellow and Fonte's involvement. I'm fairly sure the yellow was for persistent fouls in quick succession, which will have been what Fonte moaned about. It's unlike Crouch but it was like he was sent out to put himself about, unfortunately he didn't get any of the ball in his 1st 3 challenges and I thought the yellow was justifiable. The 2nd yellow could easily have been a straight red. In the laws of the game is there anything such thing as a yellow (or a red) for persistent foul play? I know people talk about it and I know you often see it in practice. But I thought the way football works is that each incident is judged on its merits and then you just move on, you don't carry any baggage with you, or you shouldn't?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 30, 2014 10:11:10 GMT
For those not happy about the 1st yellow and Fonte's involvement. I'm fairly sure the yellow was for persistent fouls in quick succession, which will have been what Fonte moaned about. It's unlike Crouch but it was like he was sent out to put himself about, unfortunately he didn't get any of the ball in his 1st 3 challenges and I thought the yellow was justifiable. The 2nd yellow could easily have been a straight red. real time I thought the second was going to be a straight red
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 30, 2014 10:13:50 GMT
For those not happy about the 1st yellow and Fonte's involvement. I'm fairly sure the yellow was for persistent fouls in quick succession, which will have been what Fonte moaned about. It's unlike Crouch but it was like he was sent out to put himself about, unfortunately he didn't get any of the ball in his 1st 3 challenges and I thought the yellow was justifiable. The 2nd yellow could easily have been a straight red. In the laws of the game is there anything such thing as a yellow (or a red) for persistent foul play? I know people talk about it and I know you often see it in practice. But I thought the way football works is that each incident is judged on its merits and then you just move on, you don't carry any baggage with you, or you shouldn't?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2014 10:29:25 GMT
Yellow cards they may have been, but at the moment we are not getting fair treatment from the Refs. Shawcross the only player to be penalised for holding in the box, when every other player keep on getting away with it,Crouch 2 yellows,yet how often does Crouch get fouled in a game but the offenders keep getting away with it, time after time?
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Post by andyr on Oct 30, 2014 10:40:44 GMT
Don't know what he did for the first card , maybe decent but the second a definite yellow and agree he should know better
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 30, 2014 11:11:59 GMT
Pumpkinhead Mason bought long ago into the 'dirty Stoke' label. He always gives us nowt and treats fouls by us differently to fouls by the opposition. Crouch was clumsy more than anything. First was never a yellow but once you've been booked you don't make that kind of challenge. Pet peeve of mine is fans who clap off red carded players. Never understood that. I did, but only because being sent off meant he had to walk past the away fans and get abuse off them. It's not that nice to have the bitter enemies of your former club goading you while your own suppirters near the tunnel look on unarsedly.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 11:12:57 GMT
Pumpkinhead Mason bought long ago into the 'dirty Stoke' label. He always gives us nowt and treats fouls by us differently to fouls by the opposition. Crouch was clumsy more than anything. First was never a yellow but once you've been booked you don't make that kind of challenge. Pet peeve of mine is fans who clap off red carded players. Never understood that. I did, but only because being sent off meant he had to walk past the away fans and get abuse off them. It's not that nice to have the bitter enemies of your former club goading you while your own suppirters near the tunnel look on unarsedly. He's a big boy, it comes with the territory. Didn't he turn out for them as well?
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 30, 2014 11:18:02 GMT
I did, but only because being sent off meant he had to walk past the away fans and get abuse off them. It's not that nice to have the bitter enemies of your former club goading you while your own suppirters near the tunnel look on unarsedly. He's a big boy, it comes with the territory. Didn't he turn out for them as well? Yes, but they were making quite a lot of him being a 'skate', from what I could here. For me it was just a case of supporting our player when he was getting stick off the opposition. If the tunnel was on the other side of the ground I wouldn't have bothered.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 11:36:17 GMT
His cameo was of Jermaine Pennant proportions.
Yet we have people defending him?
Double standards.
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Post by andylgr on Oct 30, 2014 11:44:29 GMT
I thought the second one looked worse than it was, I think he was trying to get his leg around around the ball to protect it, but because he's got giraffe legs it ended up a knee high clumsy challenge.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 12:02:03 GMT
Pumpkinhead Mason bought long ago into the 'dirty Stoke' label. He always gives us nowt and treats fouls by us differently to fouls by the opposition. Crouch was clumsy more than anything. First was never a yellow but once you've been booked you don't make that kind of challenge. Pet peeve of mine is fans who clap off red carded players. Never understood that. I did, but only because being sent off meant he had to walk past the away fans and get abuse off them. It's not that nice to have the bitter enemies of your former club goading you while your own suppirters near the tunnel look on unarsedly. I was sat with my lad in block 10 for this one and myself and most around me applauded crouch as he left the pitch and not looked on unarsedly as you put it.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 30, 2014 12:06:47 GMT
After seeing the incidents on telly last night I must admit the first yellow looked a bit harsh from the angle they showed but from my view in the Boothen it looked a definite yellow he went in leading with his elbow and caught Targett, the second yellow was obviously red mist and in turn could have resulted in a straight red never mind a second yellow. Gouranga.
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Post by elsidibe on Oct 30, 2014 12:09:28 GMT
Perhaps Crouch was naive in assuming that there'd be some level of refereeing consistency. He should know better. His challenges were no more or less deserving of cards than the shove on Diouf or Schneiderlin's lunge on Walters (which even The Guardian has felt compelled to highlight as dangerous).
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 12:12:34 GMT
His cameo was of Jermaine Pennant proportions. Yet we have people defending him? Double standards. Who's defending him? His second challenge was idiotic after his ludicrously unfair first booking but to blame the defeat on him is just plain wrong. We were defeated by an abysmal, really stinking fist half gutless surrender and an inability to defend a routine set piece at the death.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:19:39 GMT
His cameo was of Jermaine Pennant proportions. Yet we have people defending him? Double standards. Who's defending him? His second challenge was idiotic after his ludicrously unfair first booking but to blame the defeat on him is just plain wrong. We were defeated by an abysmal, really stinking fist half gutless surrender and an inability to defend a routine set piece at the death. If you want to play that game Momo, let's defend Pennant. He came on, was on the receiving end of several bad tackles by Leighton Baines, none of which were punished, he then angrily dives in on Osman and gives away a penalty. Crouch comes on, gets given a ludicrously harsh yellow but at that point he knows that he's on a warning he puts in as clear a yellow card challenge as you'll see all season. In my eyes, they're both as stupid as each other, so yes, I would class Crouch's cameo as pretty Pennanty. Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with kjones9/pwingy9.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 12:23:20 GMT
Who's defending him? His second challenge was idiotic after his ludicrously unfair first booking but to blame the defeat on him is just plain wrong. We were defeated by an abysmal, really stinking fist half gutless surrender and an inability to defend a routine set piece at the death. If you want to play that game Momo, let's defend Pennant. He came on, was on the receiving end of several bad tackles by Leighton Baines, none of which were punished, he then angrily dives in on Osman and gives away a penalty. Crouch comes on, gets given a ludicrously harsh yellow but at that point he knows that he's on a warning he puts in as clear a yellow card challenge as you'll see all season. In my eyes, they're both as stupid as each other, so yes, I would class Crouch's cameo as pretty Pennanty. Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with kjones9/pwingy9. Pennant gave away a penalty in the last minute it's a bit different than a wide free kick, 40 yards out that a school team would have made a better fist of defending. I think hanging the blame hat on Crouch is avoiding the other very worrying reasons for the defeat.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 12:24:22 GMT
His cameo was of Jermaine Pennant proportions. Yet we have people defending him? Double standards. We were defeated by an abysmal, really stinking fist half gutless surrender and an inability to defend a routine set piece at the death. Well with the last bit, you are. Where did that set piece originate from and could've it have been avoided? Ala pennant and sidwell. However poor we were in the first half (and we were) we had got back into it in the second half and we were the only team that looked like winning.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:29:53 GMT
If you want to play that game Momo, let's defend Pennant. He came on, was on the receiving end of several bad tackles by Leighton Baines, none of which were punished, he then angrily dives in on Osman and gives away a penalty. Crouch comes on, gets given a ludicrously harsh yellow but at that point he knows that he's on a warning he puts in as clear a yellow card challenge as you'll see all season. In my eyes, they're both as stupid as each other, so yes, I would class Crouch's cameo as pretty Pennanty. Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with kjones9/pwingy9. Pennant gave away a penalty in the last minute it's a bit different than a wide free kick, 40 yards out that a school team would have made a better fist of defending. I think hanging the blame hat on Crouch is avoiding the other very worrying reasons for the defeat. The defending was absolutely dogshit I totally agree, but we're not talking about defending we're talking about his role as a cameo. He came on and got sent off after hardly doing anything and knowing he was on a yellow card. His role in our defeat has to be acknowledged.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 12:36:01 GMT
Pennant gave away a penalty in the last minute it's a bit different than a wide free kick, 40 yards out that a school team would have made a better fist of defending. I think hanging the blame hat on Crouch is avoiding the other very worrying reasons for the defeat. The defending was absolutely dogshit I totally agree, but we're not talking about defending we're talking about his role as a cameo. He came on and got sent off after hardly doing anything and knowing he was on a yellow card. His role in our defeat has to be acknowledged. Acknowledged definitely. The primary reason for it? Not for me.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:37:17 GMT
The defending was absolutely dogshit I totally agree, but we're not talking about defending we're talking about his role as a cameo. He came on and got sent off after hardly doing anything and knowing he was on a yellow card. His role in our defeat has to be acknowledged. Acknowledged definitely. The primary reason for it? Not for me. I would say he's up there near the top. Aside from the obvious of having less players, we also lost a key component when defending set pieces.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 30, 2014 15:00:56 GMT
I did, but only because being sent off meant he had to walk past the away fans and get abuse off them. It's not that nice to have the bitter enemies of your former club goading you while your own suppirters near the tunnel look on unarsedly. I was sat with my lad in block 10 for this one and myself and most around me applauded crouch as he left the pitch and not looked on unarsedly as you put it. The unarsedness was supposed to the alternative scenario, if nobody applauded.
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