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Post by Beardy200 on Oct 26, 2014 11:51:56 GMT
I'll help you out Squeeks - no it wasn't ;) That's not the point though mate contact was made just like yesterday when we should of had a penalty in my opinion but it's gone now. It's the only point in my eyes - whilst fans defend their own players for 'having the right to go down' the game will continue to develop into who can cheat the most instead of the great game we grew up with. If that happened against us everybody would be going mental. I'm just one of those rare breeds who's unbiased on stuff like that and can see it for what it was, a dive. Yes the inconsistency of which cheats get away with it is frustrating but until we all stand up together and say we want it cutting out it will only get worse.
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Post by march4 on Oct 26, 2014 11:52:33 GMT
I blame Franny Lee for all of this.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 26, 2014 11:59:39 GMT
That's not the point though mate contact was made just like yesterday when we should of had a penalty in my opinion but it's gone now. It's the only point in my eyes - whilst fans defend their own players for 'having the right to go down' the game will continue to develop into who can cheat the most instead of the great game we grew up with. If that happened against us everybody would be going mental. I'm just one of those rare breeds who's unbiased on stuff like that and can see it for what it was, a dive. Yes the inconsistency of which cheats get away with it is frustrating but until we all stand up together and say we want it cutting out it will only get worse. The thing is this has happened to us many many times and us not doing the same isn't going to make one bit of difference at all so I'm afraid its a case of if you can't beat em join em! I still say it wasn't an out and out dive but it's gone now and we can't change it.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 27, 2014 15:12:38 GMT
Morning Cuckoo, I see you are agreeing with me as usual. IF Monk thinks Moses dived, and still thinks he did and in his mind believes that one incident is cheating, then in a democracy he surely has a right to say it. He will now come under huge pressure to withdraw his remarks from a number of sources, if he realises he made a mistake he should withdraw them, if he believes what he said was true then in my view he has to stand by them. As far as I know he is only referring to this one incident. Hartson and Monk have unwittingly done a disservice to the whole issue of diving by deflecting the arguments onto themselves and in effect they are now on trial, rather than the issue of gamesmanship. Personally, I doubt if Monk will be charged for saying Moses is a cheat, right or wrong it is his opinion. What the FA will be upset about are the words Monk used about the referee. He said, if I remember correctly, that the referee "cheated" Swansea with the Moses penalty decision. That was a poor choice of words. I'm sure Monk didn't mean it to sound like the referee is a cheat or that he is corrupt but the use of the word "cheat" in a sentence about the referee's decision is sailing very close to the wind. I suspect that this is why Hughes pointed to Monk's youth and lack of experience as a manager. Monk thinks that was patronising - if he puts his brain into gear he will see that Hughes has given him the best defence in this matter. If I were Monk I would apologise to the ref for using the word cheat and tell the FA that he said it in the heat of the moment and never meant it to imply that the ref himself was a cheat. Whether Monk is as intelligent and foresighted as myself and Mark Hughes remains to be seen. Have we had an update as to whether Monk has been charged at all? Hartson has apologised to Victor Moses.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 27, 2014 16:09:33 GMT
Personally, I doubt if Monk will be charged for saying Moses is a cheat, right or wrong it is his opinion. What the FA will be upset about are the words Monk used about the referee. He said, if I remember correctly, that the referee "cheated" Swansea with the Moses penalty decision. That was a poor choice of words. I'm sure Monk didn't mean it to sound like the referee is a cheat or that he is corrupt but the use of the word "cheat" in a sentence about the referee's decision is sailing very close to the wind. I suspect that this is why Hughes pointed to Monk's youth and lack of experience as a manager. Monk thinks that was patronising - if he puts his brain into gear he will see that Hughes has given him the best defence in this matter. If I were Monk I would apologise to the ref for using the word cheat and tell the FA that he said it in the heat of the moment and never meant it to imply that the ref himself was a cheat. Whether Monk is as intelligent and foresighted as myself and Mark Hughes remains to be seen. Have we had an update as to whether Monk has been charged at all? Hartson has apologised to Victor Moses. Monk was given until this week to respond to the FA - after he has responded they will decide whether to charge him.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 27, 2014 16:53:23 GMT
Have we had an update as to whether Monk has been charged at all? Hartson has apologised to Victor Moses. Monk was given until this week to respond to the FA - after he has responded they will decide whether to charge him. Thanks for the update
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Post by brumstokie on Oct 27, 2014 19:26:35 GMT
Monk was given until this week to respond to the FA - after he has responded they will decide whether to charge him. Thanks for the update To be specific he had to respond to the FA by the end of today so I would expect a decision from them over the next few days.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 29, 2014 19:09:46 GMT
Just said on Sky he won't be charged. The FA have reminded him of his duty as a manager.
Wow
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Post by 2004 on Oct 29, 2014 19:13:49 GMT
Just said on Sky he won't be charged. The FA have reminded him of his duty as a manager. Wow
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Post by jbstokie on Oct 29, 2014 19:25:30 GMT
Just another reminder of useless the FA are. Pulis got fined for "He's as good as there is" about Howard Webb, that's clearly more serious than "the ref's cheated us".
And why was he asked to explain his comments if they weren't worthy of a charge? Were the FA trying to get him to put himself in the shit?
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Post by onionman on Oct 29, 2014 19:33:07 GMT
Just another reminder of useless the FA are. Pulis got fined for "He's as good as there is" about Howard Webb, that's clearly more serious than "the ref's cheated us". And why was he asked to explain his comments if they weren't worthy of a charge? Were the FA trying to get him to put himself in the shit? Well precisely. And why remind him of his duty as a manager if he hasn't done anything wrong?
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Post by Trubritt on Oct 29, 2014 22:32:06 GMT
Laughable joke we are to the FA
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 29, 2014 22:35:16 GMT
Precedent set, I hope Hughes slaughters Mason tonight.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 30, 2014 8:17:51 GMT
Absolutely staggering. It looked open and shut. So if every manager merely parrots his childish cheat accusations after the game verbatim, they'll merely " get reminded of their responsibilities " but not charged . Managers have been charged for 10 percent of what this berk said. Unbelievable.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 30, 2014 8:22:03 GMT
We should take the fucker to court for slander then
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 8:24:08 GMT
It's a joke and it certainly sets a precedent now.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 30, 2014 8:58:38 GMT
He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 9:03:35 GMT
He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed. He slated the performance of the ref which managers are not permitted to do and have faced sanctions for before.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 9:04:29 GMT
He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed. He called the player, our player, a cheat.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 30, 2014 9:14:21 GMT
He said Moses cheated in that incident and whose player he is makes no difference.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 9:15:59 GMT
He said Moses cheated in that incident and whose player he is makes no difference. Both his comments about Moses and the ref have been deemed to be bringing the game into disrepute in the past, Geoff. Why is it different now?
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Post by marwood on Oct 30, 2014 9:18:58 GMT
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Oct 30, 2014 9:24:56 GMT
On the same weekend Warnick had a moan about the refs decisions in their match against Chelsea. In my view his comments were much softer than Monk's. Yet within 2 days of that match Warnick was charged. Monk however gets off Scott free. Does anyone really think if those comments were made against a Chelsea player he would be getting off? No chance.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter too much. But there's absolutely no doubt that the FA stinks and it's one rule for some but another for us. As the accusations were only against a Stoke City player, it doesn't matter apparently. I hope Hughes lays into the next player who dives against us with the full confidence he won't be getting fined. We all know what will happen though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 9:26:55 GMT
Shame. You'd definitely drill it.
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Post by brumstokie on Oct 30, 2014 9:54:40 GMT
He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed. Geoff - Sorry but you're wrong. If you don't believe me go & see his Skysports interview straight after the game - he tempered it down by the time the BBC interviewed him. His actual words on that interview were " The Ref cheated us". Don't try & rewrite history.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 30, 2014 10:30:36 GMT
He didn't call the ref a cheat and in my view common sense, for once, has prevailed. He said that the referee cheated Swansea.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 30, 2014 10:34:50 GMT
A decision made because they agree with him. Anything anti-Stoke these days is fair game. And don't expect a level playing field. The ref's performance at OT in the Manu v Chelsea game compared with Oliver's at Stoke v Swans should tell you that.
OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 10:42:31 GMT
Shame. You'd definitely drill it. It makes you wonder what she sees in £1M a year Premier League manager Garry Monk. It can't be his looks, he's got a face like Mrs Brown's balls.
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Post by marwood on Oct 30, 2014 10:59:57 GMT
she sounds a bit high maintenance, but has a point about bringing work stuff to the house. In the paper this morning there was a lot more about the content of the letter, and mentioned the Swansea fans not happy with the way he had conducted himself in interviews after Stoke match, as well as defeat to Liverpool
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 30, 2014 11:32:03 GMT
A decision made because they agree with him. Anything anti-Stoke these days is fair game. And don't expect a level playing field. The ref's performance at OT in the Manu v Chelsea game compared with Oliver's at Stoke v Swans should tell you that. OS. It does appear that there is some anti-Stoke feeling floating around the corridors of the F.A., Premier League Administration and the BBC. I find it quite staggering that Monk hasn't been charged in some way. Can you imagine if Sparky had uttered the same words. I think Ryan summed up the general feeling in his post match Sky interview ... " me.. it's a foul....anyone else, world-class defending etc " You could hear the emotion in his voice. Still maintain that Arsehole Wenger started a lot of this.
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