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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 9:53:42 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Oct 23, 2014 10:00:41 GMT
As far as I know TP and Peter still get on very well?
He's said nothing wrong
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2014 10:02:08 GMT
I think the title of your thread is possibly a bit misleading - he's not calling for a ban for Moses but rather he's suggesting that there should be a ban for players who dive in the future.
And no, I think his comments have absolutely nothing to do with his relationship with Peter Coates.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 23, 2014 10:03:48 GMT
He's said this before about divers hasn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:05:45 GMT
I think he should be more careful to hide his feelings about Hughes.
Hughes defended his player and threw in a brilliant put down that was nowhere near overstepping the mark.
Pulis is liked by most of the people I know, even if they, like I did, thought it was right to let him go. That won't last forever if he takes sides with other teams. He, more than most, should know what false media perceptions do to referees' sense of impartiality.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 23, 2014 10:06:04 GMT
He's said this before about divers hasn't he? Yes, after that Suarez special I think it was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:06:08 GMT
Oh dear. I know where this thread could end up. TP hater's wankfest this could be
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 23, 2014 10:08:48 GMT
Wankstains to the left of me, rimmers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle of an inevitable argument.
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Post by superscfc on Oct 23, 2014 10:11:07 GMT
Pulis has always been vocal about players going down easy or feigning injury, just showing he's unbiased if a little bitter
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2014 10:12:46 GMT
It was a foul clear as day, this is where refs are the issue.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 23, 2014 10:14:38 GMT
He's clearly not referring to Moses because we've all seen the pictures of Rangel holding Moses' shirt in the penalty area. That is a penalty in anyone's book, whatever anyone thinks of him going to ground.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 23, 2014 10:15:45 GMT
As Paul says, he's not talking about Moses per se, but the issue of diving that's currently in the spotlight.
I hope the fact that it's our player in the spotlight doesn't turn this into a pro/anti Pulis thread, because he's dead right about three match bans and fines. Where he doesn't go far enough is that EVERY SINGLE INCIDENT should be reviewed, not just penalties that are given.
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Post by stokeloyal on Oct 23, 2014 10:20:12 GMT
As said the tittle is very miss leading, if he'd have said something like this when he was a manager, which he did a few times, we'd all agree and call these soft, diving ponce's every name under the sun. Obviously every football fan is hugely bias towards "there own" but TP is spot on here, diving does need stamping out and that in my eye includes going down to easily. Something that if i'm 100% honest i think Moses did against Swansea. Did i care when he was getting us a pen and 3 points? No but i wont fool myself and say if it had been an opposing player going down in our box in the exact same way i'd have spent all week calling him a diving wanker.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 23, 2014 10:50:27 GMT
Well he is talking about Moses, maybe indirectly. Funny how his comments come out after the weekends controversy.
Sly dig at Hughes as well.
Drip, drip, drip....?????
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:54:09 GMT
Oh dear. I know where this thread could end up. TP hater's wankfest this could be i was pro pulis when he was here
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Post by stantheman on Oct 23, 2014 10:57:35 GMT
I remember Pennant going to ground a bit too easy On quite a few occasions and TP telling/waving him to get up
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Post by metalhead on Oct 23, 2014 11:05:30 GMT
I actually think he's spot on. This would be a great way to eliminate diving from the game. I do feel Moses took a bit of a dive, but my rationale is that with so many other players doing it and getting away with, e.g. Hazard, Young and Sterling, why not eh? We're standing around being honest and having the piss taken out of us with 'Spanish Penalties'. If this Moses incident is the one that triggers a rethink then good! I would happily see something introduced. I'll put money on that Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal will have a lot more players punished than us.
The only problem is, like with all these panels, will they ultimately become favourable to the top teams? Charlie Adam's stamp on Giroud got a 3 match ban, despite the evidence being fairly inconclusive yet Yaya Toure kicked a Norwich player on the floor and somehow got off? A few years ago, Jeremie Aliadiere was sent off for slapping Mascherano after Mascherano shoved him in the face. Of course, greasy Javier threw himself to the ground clutching his face whereas Aliadiere stayed on his feet. Middlesbrough appealed and Aliadiere's red card was extended by one match. About a week later, Frank Lampard tangled with Luis Boa Morte resulting in Boa Morte aiming a kick at Lampard. In retaliation, Frank threw an almost identical slap into Boa Morte's face. Referee consults linesman and sends Lampard off. Chelsea appeal, Frank's red is rescinded.
The incidents were almost identical. Aliadiere is shoved in the face and slaps Mascherano in retaliation. Boa Morte aims a kick at Lampard and Lampard reacts by slapping Boa Morte in the face. Both reds were caused by a retaliation.
Yet only one red was rescinded... the red for the big team...
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2014 11:16:24 GMT
He's probably more annoyed that Moses was bombing forward rather than tracking back.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 11:17:09 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for the referee in these situations, but I've watched the replays over and over again and I'm not sure the Shawcross incident merited a penalty, certainly I'm in no doubt now that no penalty should have been awarded to Stoke.
Once the referee had awarded the first penalty he was going to be in big trouble whenever a Stoke player went down in the box and having given the first he put himself in a really difficult situation.
Regarding Pulis I think he is commenting on both diving and the Moses incident and is correct in what he says.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 23, 2014 11:20:28 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for the referee in these situations, but I've watched the replays over and over again and I'm not sure the Shawcross incident merited a penalty, certainly I'm in no doubt now that no penalty should have been awarded to Stoke. Once the referee had awarded the first penalty he was going to be in big trouble whenever a Stoke player went down in the box and having given the first he put himself in a really difficult situation. Regarding Pulis I think he is commenting on both diving and the Moses incident and is correct in what he says. Geoff - when did they change the laws to say that grabbing hold of a player's shirt as he runs past you in the penalty area is no longer a penalty? I'm not interested in a long philosophical argument justifying your opinion, I just what to know when grabbing hold of a player's shirt when he was running at speed became "legal".
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 23, 2014 11:23:36 GMT
He's taken the opportunity to have a go at Hughes and a Stoke player here very clearly here. This won't go down well with Coates.
There is no ambiguity about it.
This is poor from Pulis and clearly an hangover from his bitterness about his exit and his successor.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 11:24:13 GMT
I never give long replies Lakeland, I think you are confusing me with mick. I've watched the replays and I am believing what my eyes see, a butterfly wouldn't have fallen in that situation.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2014 11:24:52 GMT
He's taken the opportunity to have a go at Hughes and a Stoke player here very clearly here. This won't go down well with Coates. There is no ambiguity about it. This is poor from Pulis and clearly an hangover from his bitterness about his exit and his successor. Good. Hopefully this will put to bed any hopes of a 'third coming' by some of the lunatic fringe on here.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 23, 2014 11:25:10 GMT
A Welshman defending a Welsh club and manager no surprise there then, what the fuck has it got to do with him anyway ?, he should concentrate on finding a new job the Vale have a vacancy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2014 11:25:42 GMT
I never give long replies Lakeland, I think you are confusing me with mick. I've watched the replays and I am believing what my eyes see, a butterfly wouldn't have fallen in that situation.
So the rules say it's okay to pull a player's shirt, so long as you don't pull it hard enough to make the player go over Geoff?
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 11:27:43 GMT
It's never a penalty Paul in a hundred years, hope this reply is short enough for you.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2014 11:27:51 GMT
Well he is talking about Moses, maybe indirectly. Funny how his comments come out after the weekends controversy. Sly dig at Hughes as well. Drip, drip, drip....????? Not really that funny is it, he's been asked a question because its been brought up with whats been said by Monk etc and answered it.
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Post by Davef on Oct 23, 2014 11:28:11 GMT
I never give long replies Lakeland, I think you are confusing me with mick. I've watched the replays and I am believing what my eyes see, a butterfly wouldn't have fallen in that situation. The issue isn't whether Moses went down easily though is it. It's whether he was fouled. The referee thought he was and the photos prove that he was.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 23, 2014 11:28:50 GMT
I never give long replies Lakeland, I think you are confusing me with mick. I've watched the replays and I am believing what my eyes see, a butterfly wouldn't have fallen in that situation. You still are not answering my question. You've said it wasn't a penalty. How do you know the penalty was given for Moses going to ground? I suspect it may have been given for shirt tugging - and that, in my book, and according to the laws of the game, is a penalty. Now, answer my question - why do you think that piece of shirt tugging wasn't a penalty? And whilst we are at it why wasn't the tug on Crouch's shirt a few minutes earlier a penalty as well?
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 11:30:05 GMT
He wasn't fouled Dave and remember the referee didn't have picture to look at, he's evened it up and we all know it.
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