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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 20, 2014 21:15:29 GMT
Done
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 20, 2014 21:28:36 GMT
We are bigger than that. Most people have moved on. We're bigger than this shit. How many times have we been bolloxed off by shit refs in the last 6 years?.. Hughes was brilliant yesterday. Safe hands
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 22:51:14 GMT
Had a moan in my usual miserable git style
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 20, 2014 23:15:17 GMT
John Hartson who is a Swansea season ticket holder gave a very unfair and slanderous opinion of a Stoke city player who he said was a cheat and this coming from a man who kicked a team mate in training in the head after he he had tried to hurt in in training and had the nerve to tell him it was training and we are team mates!
John should in line with the BBC protocol offer a professional and unbiased opinion of events but clearly gave his own and in fact wrong opinion as video evidence has now proved that Moses was in fact grabbed by the Swansea defender causing him to go down and the penalty was correctly awarded!
Alan Shearer was excellent in his unbiased assessment!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Oct 21, 2014 5:23:31 GMT
Just put mine in..only takes 10 minutes..ONLY by complaining will anything EVER change. I love your optimism. If everyone on this board completed a complaint I still doubt anything would happen. I just hope that one day I see him skiing up at Lake Louise & when I do, I'll fucking crucify him on a very steep black run
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2014 6:13:12 GMT
They aren't biased. Just hopeless. Useless. Worthless.
I'm talking about their sports department of course.
Their drama folks are, of course, Marvellous!
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Post by seychellesstokie on Oct 21, 2014 6:16:38 GMT
Done. First time I've ever complained about anything on any website
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Post by iamsmokey on Oct 21, 2014 6:37:28 GMT
complaint sent!!
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Post by sportsman on Oct 21, 2014 6:53:17 GMT
Do it in person. Motd studios are in Manchester now. Feel free to pop up there when you have a weekend free and wait to greet the likes of Lineker and hartson.
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Post by lordb on Oct 21, 2014 7:27:03 GMT
I don't think Hartson has done anything wrong. However the BBC should have had someone making Stokes case.
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 21, 2014 8:40:57 GMT
Never complained to the BBC in my life until last week when Panorama broadcast the most pathetic political hatchet job I've ever seen, on Nigel Farage. Now that did make my blood boil - the EU-funded, Great Britain-hating, Islam-loving bunch of cnuts... What a silly post.... You should stop reading the Daily Mail
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 9:04:05 GMT
fuck it!!!
if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on.
when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours.......
we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives.
jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!!
personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum.
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 21, 2014 10:10:35 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum. I absolutely agree ! I really think we risk making complete idiots of ourselves with this.... Just move on and look forward to the next game
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 10:51:51 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum. Mick, you can see why people are annoyed. I'm one of those who doesn't tend to fall for the accusations of media bias and anti-Stoke but the way this has been handled by the media as a whole has been nothing short of utterly disgraceful. To think of the amount of dives that have been totally ignored for them to scrutinize this dive to the point that the media are judge, jury and executioner. Where was the media reaction to the Sterling one against us last season? What about the Suarez one (only hit the headlines after Suarez admitted on Uruguayan TV that he dived)? It's seriously poor form and it really does make you wonder.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 21, 2014 11:05:45 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum.
The biggest culprits last season were mainly from one club the three S's were guilty of countless dives, the media reaction to their antics were very muted I wonder why, because Mosses is at the moment playing for Stoke the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion, the comments from the ginger Welsh twat have taken it to another level, the BBC are as guilty for allowing the biased arsehole to appear on the show, fuck him.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 21, 2014 11:13:04 GMT
Complaint sent. Based mine on factual errors by JH, namely VM shirt was pulled in the penalty are therefore the referee was technically correct to award penalty, so demanded an apology for calling VM a cheat. Also criticized BBC for broadcasting such loutish behaviour.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 11:34:12 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum.
The biggest culprits last season were mainly from one club the three S's were guilty of countless dives, the media reaction to their antics were very muted I wonder why, because Mosses is at the moment playing for Stoke the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion, the comments from the ginger Welsh twat have taken it to another level, the BBC are as guilty for allowing the biased arsehole to appear on the show, fuck him.
You can't slag the club off with three S's. They're the media darlings. Let's be honest, the media were gutted when they threw away the title. Never seen the BBC so distraught.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:36:26 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum. Mick, you can see why people are annoyed. I'm one of those who doesn't tend to fall for the accusations of media bias and anti-Stoke but the way this has been handled by the media as a whole has been nothing short of utterly disgraceful. To think of the amount of dives that have been totally ignored for them to scrutinize this dive to the point that the media are judge, jury and executioner. Where was the media reaction to the Sterling one against us last season? What about the Suarez one (only hit the headlines after Suarez admitted on Uruguayan TV that he dived)? It's seriously poor form and it really does make you wonder. make you wonder what though? whether the media accept "big" players doing it far more than other players doing it? we already knew that anyway didn't we? that's not news at all. i'm pissed off about it as well but what else did we expect from a pundit who's a season ticket holder at Swansea? he was the chosen pundit for that night regardless of what happened in the game so he's obviously going to be pissed off when he comments after the game happened. it's not "Points of view" and it's not "Question time" or some kind of debate show where each side has their right to reply, it was just an unfortunate fluke that the incidents happened to occur when a Swansea fan was on and MOTD didn't know he was going to have that outburst, in fact Chappers tried to calm him down on a few occasions. what are they supposed to do exactly, refuse to let any pundit on if they happen to also be a fan of a particular team that is being featured? if we had a Stoke fan on there then we'd be more than happy for him to speak his mind and wouldn't be going around chucking accusations of slander and libel about, we'd think fair play to him for speaking his mind as a fan and giving what is HIS opinion (not the opinion of MOTD or the BBC but HIS personal opinion). MOTD2 actually said the Bony pen was soft (but a pen all the same) and they thought the Moses one was a dive....now, some on here have actually agreed with that and called Moses a cheat but no-one on here is accusing them of slander/libel are they? why? because it's a personal opinion so you can therefore say what you want. Chappers even said of the Monk interview (and butted into Hartson's rant on a few occasions) saying that Monk was deflecting attention and he can't blame the ref for Swansea's missed chances in the first half and it was that that was really frustrating him but no, we ignore all that and simply see "A peron slagged off Stoke, that person happened to be on the BBC when he did it so therefore the BBC as a whole hate us" which is just garbage and (as usual) people simply selecting the facts they want to back up their paranoid agenda that everyone hates us. from the angle that was shown of the Moses incident, there's little doubt that it DID look like a dive (in the sense that Rangel's arm was there but nowhere near enough to make him fall over in that way). It's the view that many of us had during the game and the subsequent photos that have come out from behind the goal that show his shirt being pulled as well that back up the fact that it WAS a pen (and the BBC have actually run a story today and shown that photo..conveniently most on here slagging the BBC off seem to have ignored that though as it doesn't fit in with tier argument) but the TV cameras didn't have that view so can only comment on what they DO see. the reason why MOTD2 focussed so much on it was simply because of Monk and the way he went about his post match interview; that in itself is a news story because he lost it and they were right to therefore focus on those incidents because it was those incidents that provoked that newsworthy reaction. in short, it wasn't the actual perceived dive that forced MOTD2 to focus so much on it but the reaction by Monk (if monk hadn't mentioned it then the Moses pen would have had about 5 seconds of coverage)and, as journalists, they therefore HAD to look at it all because of his comments. they gave as much air time to Hughes and his comments and his presser after the game and what he said and Shearer actually agreed that whether Monk was right or wrong that Hughes was right in that you just can't say those things. i just find it all very sad to see thread after thread being created about Liverpool and other clubs and how they whinge and whine when big decisions go against them or when Ashley Young is brought up for diving (which he was on many occasions a season or 2 back) and then we go fucking mad when the focus is on us as if it's some kind of conspiracy. it's juvenile, it's petty and makes us look seriously small time. we WON the bloody match, if people want to whinge and whine about it all it should be Swansea fans not us!!! the club have put in a complaint about Hartson's comments to the BBC and Monk will no doubt be charged for his outburst. it says a hell of a lot more by us being the bigger man and keeping quiet and just letting things be done through the correct channels (i.e. by the club) than it does for us to carry on like poor ickle victims who are always being got at..that just makes us look like perennial moaning fuckers to everyone else. BOTH were soft penalties and i'd have been happy for neither to be given but if 1 was then the other had to be as well and that's what happened....and we went on to win. if Hartson doesn't like us who cares???? Chappers and Shearer did not at any point label us as cheats in any way, they simply thought the REF got it wrong, not us, not Moses but the REF and that (the ref making mistakes) happens and is commented on every bloody week in some game or other and MOTD focus just as much on those incidents as well. the heightened focus was created by Monk NOT the BBC,they simply reported on it as they were bound to, it's their job. they focused quite a bit on the diame incident where the ref got it wrong as well but everyone on here seems to conveniently forget that bit. if Wenger had said the kind of things that Monk did then that would have had as much focus as well...as far as this board is concerned the BBC spent the whole hour just slagging off Stoke and that just isn't even close to being true at all. we cannot spend so much time slagging off other sides for being "Victims" and because their players go down easily and then go this crazy when one of ours does (i don't think he did dive because there was contact but there's no doubt whatsoever that he made the most of it to ensure the ref picked up on it.......which we give other players shit for whenever they do). quite simply, we can't have it both ways as and when we please. it's pathetic....we BLOODY WON!!!! let people whinge if they want, it'd be forgotten about by everybody by tomorrow if we didn't keep banging on and on about it FFS. NONE of the media have slagged us off for cheating they have simply reported on what Monk said...it's him and his comments that have caused the problem, the media have simply reported on that as they are supposed to do so. if (hypothetically) they don't do their actual jobs and report on it all then fine but then if the same happened to us we'd go fucking mad if Hughes had a similar rant and the media ignored that as well, we'd have people on here saying "Hughes made a point and the media don't care because it's little old Stoke". People need to realise what is blindingly obvious and factually true....the media and the BBC specifically have NOT said we (or moses) are cheats!!!!! they just haven't.....they have reported on what Monk has said and Hartson's reaction because they are NEWS!!!!! a few outlets have said the Moses pen wasn't a pen but they have also said the Diame goal shouldn't have stood, that Lampard's was "theatrical" etc.....in other words, they haven't said anything worse about us than they have about other incidents that happened this week...it is Monk and Hartson alone that are culpable for what THEY have said (and those matters are being dealt with in the correct fashion), everything else is simply reporting on what those 2 people did..that's kinda what journalists are there for!
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Post by andylgr on Oct 21, 2014 11:42:47 GMT
I don't recall anyone on MOTD ever calling one of the big players a cheat. And lets face it over the years we've seen plenty of players go down easy for penos. Was Frank Lampard called a cheat after making the most of minimal contact for his peno vs Tottenham the other day?
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 11:43:10 GMT
Mick, you can see why people are annoyed. I'm one of those who doesn't tend to fall for the accusations of media bias and anti-Stoke but the way this has been handled by the media as a whole has been nothing short of utterly disgraceful. To think of the amount of dives that have been totally ignored for them to scrutinize this dive to the point that the media are judge, jury and executioner. Where was the media reaction to the Sterling one against us last season? What about the Suarez one (only hit the headlines after Suarez admitted on Uruguayan TV that he dived)? It's seriously poor form and it really does make you wonder. make you wonder what though? whether the media accept "big" players doing it far more than other players doing it? we already knew that anyway didn't we? that's not news at all. i'm pissed off about it as well but what else did we expect from a pundit who's a season ticket holder at Swansea? he was the chosen pundit for that night regardless of what happened in the game so he's obviously going to be pissed off when he comments after the game happened. it's not "Points of view" and it's not "Question time" or some kind of debate show where each side has their right to reply, it was just an unfortunate fluke that the incidents happened to occur when a Swansea fan was on and MOTD didn't know he was going to have that outburst, in fact Chappers tried to calm him down on a few occasions. what are they supposed to do exactly, refuse to let any pundit on if they happen to also be a fan of a particular team that is being featured? if we had a Stoke fan on there then we'd be more than happy for him to speak his mind and wouldn't be going around chucking accusations of slander and libel about, we'd think fair play to him for speaking his mind as a fan and giving what is HIS opinion (not the opinion of MOTD or the BBC but HIS personal opinion). MOTD2 actually said the Bony pen was soft (but a pen all the same) and they thought the Moses one was a dive....now, some on here have actually agreed with that and called Moses a cheat but no-one on here is accusing them of slander/libel are they? why? because it's a personal opinion so you can therefore say what you want. Chappers even said of the Monk interview (and butted into Hartson's rant on a few occasions) saying that Monk was deflecting attention and he can't blame the ref for Swansea's missed chances in the first half and it was that that was really frustrating him but no, we ignore all that and simply see "A peron slagged off Stoke, that person happened to be on the BBC when he did it so therefore the BBC as a whole hate us" which is just garbage and (as usual) people simply selecting the facts they want to back up their paranoid agenda that everyone hates us. from the angle that was shown of the Moses incident, there's little doubt that it DID look like a dive (in the sense that Rangel's arm was there but nowhere near enough to make him fall over in that way). It's the view that many of us had during the game and the subsequent photos that have come out from behind the goal that show his shirt being pulled as well that back up the fact that it WAS a pen but the TV cameras didn't have that view so can only comment on what they DO see. the reason why MOTD2 focussed so much on it was simply because of Monk and the way he went about his post match interview; that in itself is a news story because he lost it and they were right to therefore focus on those incidents because it was those incidents that provoked that newsworthy reaction. in short, it wasn't the actual perceived dive that forced MOTD2 to focus so much on it but the reaction by Monk (if monk hadn't mentioned it then the Moses pen would have had about 5 seconds of coverage)and, as journalists, they therefore HAD to look at it all because of his comments. they gave as much air time to Hughes and his comments and his presser after the game and what he said and Shearer actually agreed that whether Monk was right or wrong that Hughes was right in that you just can't say those things. i just find it all very sad to see thread after thread being created about Liverpool and other clubs and how they whinge and whine when big decisions go against them or when Ashley Young is brought up for diving (which he was on many occasions a season or 2 back) and then we go fucking mad when the focus is on us as if it's some kind of conspiracy. it's juvenile, it's petty and makes us look seriously small time. we WON the bloody match, if people want to whinge and whine about it all it should be Swansea fans not us!!! the club have put in a complaint about Hartson's comments to the BBC and Monk will no doubt be charged for his outburst. it says a hell of a lot more by us being the bigger man and keeping quiet and just letting things be done through the correct channels (i.e. by the club) than it does for us to carry on like poor ickle victims who are always being got at..that just makes us look like perennial moaning fuckers to everyone else. BOTH were soft penalties and i'd have been happy for neither to be given but if 1 was then the other had to be as well and that's what happened....and we went on to win. if Hartson doesn't like us who cares???? Chappers and Shearer did not at any point label us as cheats in any way, they simply thought the REF got it wrong, not us, not Moses but the REF and that (the ref making mistakes) happens and is commented on every bloody week in some game or other and MOTD focus just as much on those incidents as well. the heightened focus was created by Monk NOT the BBC,they simply reported on it as they were bound to, it's their job. they focused quite a bit on the diame incident where the ref got it wrong as well but everyone on here seems to conveniently forget that bit. if Wenger had said the kind of things that Monk did then that would have had as much focus as well...as far as this board is concerned the BBC spent the whole hour just slagging off Stoke and that just isn't even close to being true at all. we cannot spend so much time slagging off other sides for being "Victims" and because their players go down easily and then go this crazy when one of ours does (i don't think he did dive because there was contact but there's no doubt whatsoever that he made the most of it to ensure the ref picked up on it.......which we give other players shit for whenever they do). quite simply, we can't have it both ways as and when we please. it's pathetic....we BLOODY WON!!!! let people whinge if they want, it'd be forgotten about by everybody by tomorrow if we didn't keep banging on and on about it FFS. NONE of the media have slagged us off for cheating they have simply reported on what Monk said...it's him and his comments that have caused the problem, the media have simply reported on that as they are supposed to do so. if (hypothetically) they don't do their actual jobs and report on it all then fine but then if the same happened to us we'd go fucking mad if Hughes had a similar rant and the media ignored that as well, we'd have people on here saying "Hughes made a point and the media don't care because it's little old Stoke". People need to realise what is blindingly obvious and factually true....the media and the BBC specifically have NOT said we (or moses) are cheats!!!!! they just haven't.....they have reported on what Monk has said and Hartson's reaction because they are NEWS!!!!! a few outlets have said the Moses pen wasn't a pen but they have also said the Diame goal shouldn't have stood, that Lampard's was "theatrical" etc.....in other words, they haven't said anything worse about us than they have about other incidents that happened this week...it is Monk and Hartson alone that are culpable for what THEY have said (and those matters are being dealt with in the correct fashion), everything else is simply reporting on what those 2 people did..that's kinda what journalists are there for! Wow, that's one long reply Mick, even for you I actually don't have a problem with the BBC picking Hartson. Yes, they claim to be unbiased but they're clearly not. They repeatedly pick Martin Keown who has absolutely no interest in remaining balanced in his views and routinely spouts vitriolic bullshit about teams he doesn't like (Man Utd, Stoke, etc). The fact Hartson gave his views so aggressively was probably unnecessary, but in MOTD's defence, Shearer did his best to even up the debate and Chappers who I think is an absolute bellend also pointed out that Swansea missed chances, that said it's the media as a whole. I never actually mentioned MOTD did I Mick? Switch on the radio, 5Live, TalkShite, they're all condemning Moses without even referencing previous incidents. Stan Collymore launched a tirade of opinionated bullshit yesterday where he called on Stoke fans to "reject disgraceful cheating at our club". Has he EVER done that before? Why hasn't he done this for Liverpool?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:45:08 GMT
make you wonder what though? whether the media accept "big" players doing it far more than other players doing it? Wow, that's one long reply Mick, even for you I actually don't have a problem with the BBC picking Hartson. Yes, they claim to be unbiased but they're clearly not. They repeatedly pick Martin Keown who has absolutely no interest in remaining balanced in his views and routinely spouts vitriolic bullshit about teams he doesn't like (Man Utd, Stoke, etc). The fact Hartson gave his views so aggressively was probably unnecessary, but in MOTD's defence, Shearer did his best to even up the debate and Chappers who I think is an absolute bellend also pointed out that Swansea missed chances, that said it's the media as a whole. I never actually mentioned MOTD did I Mick? Switch on the radio, 5Live, TalkShite, they're all condemning Moses without even referencing previous incidents. Stan Collymore launched a tirade of opinionated bullshit yesterday where he called on Stoke fans to "reject disgraceful cheating at our club". Has he EVER done that before? Why hasn't he done this for Liverpool? Talksport, 5live.....what are they again? call in shows!!! the DJ's are there to provoke debate and encourage reaction to get people to ring in....really wondering how many times this has to be pointed out to people (not you specifically mate). Collymore ALWAYS rants at everyone and anyone, not just Stoke. why's he doing it about Stoke this time? because Monk created a story so it's a "Hot topic" full stop
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 11:47:10 GMT
Wow, that's one long reply Mick, even for you I actually don't have a problem with the BBC picking Hartson. Yes, they claim to be unbiased but they're clearly not. They repeatedly pick Martin Keown who has absolutely no interest in remaining balanced in his views and routinely spouts vitriolic bullshit about teams he doesn't like (Man Utd, Stoke, etc). The fact Hartson gave his views so aggressively was probably unnecessary, but in MOTD's defence, Shearer did his best to even up the debate and Chappers who I think is an absolute bellend also pointed out that Swansea missed chances, that said it's the media as a whole. I never actually mentioned MOTD did I Mick? Switch on the radio, 5Live, TalkShite, they're all condemning Moses without even referencing previous incidents. Stan Collymore launched a tirade of opinionated bullshit yesterday where he called on Stoke fans to "reject disgraceful cheating at our club". Has he EVER done that before? Why hasn't he done this for Liverpool? Talksport, 5live.....what are they again? call in shows!!! the DJ's are there to provoke debate and encourage reaction to get people to ring in....really wondering how many times this has to be pointed out to people (not you specifically mate). Collymore ALWAYS rants at everyone and anyone, not just Stoke. why's he doing it about Stoke this time? because Monk created a story so it's a "Hot topic" full stop Actually, neither were call-in's Mick. Both were just their analysis...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:53:59 GMT
Talksport, 5live.....what are they again? call in shows!!! the DJ's are there to provoke debate and encourage reaction to get people to ring in....really wondering how many times this has to be pointed out to people (not you specifically mate). Collymore ALWAYS rants at everyone and anyone, not just Stoke. why's he doing it about Stoke this time? because Monk created a story so it's a "Hot topic" full stop Actually, neither were call-in's Mick. Both were just their analysis... so in other words 2 people's personal opinions. they have a right to them don't they? if the Moses pen had been given against us i'd dare say a fair few on here would have gone mad as well. the fact remains that it's Monk and his comments that created the story, therefore the media will choose to use it as a topic of discussion. it doesn't for a second mean that Sky or the BBC hold those opinions, merely that a couple of presenters do. as i said, if instead of monk saying what he did about us Wenger had said it about Diame or if Pochetinno had about Lampard then those would be the talking points that collymore would be focussing on because they would then be the new stories. it's nothing to do with Stoke or Moses, it's simply because Monk's comments have created a news story. he will be charged for those comments, we take the 3 points and move onto Southampton as far as i'm concerned. Stoke fans going mad all over the media and complaining to the BBC will do absolutely nothing but give an actual reason for EVERYTHING our players do from now on to be put under the microscope with far more scrutiny...which is kind of the exact opposite of what they're apparently trying to achieve.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 11:56:20 GMT
Actually, neither were call-in's Mick. Both were just their analysis... so in other words 2 people's personal opinions. they have a right to them don't they? if the Moses pen had been given against us i'd dare say a fair few on here would have gone mad as well. the fact remains that it's Monk and his comments that created the story, therefore the media will choose to use it as a topic of discussion. it doesn't for a second mean that Sky or the BBC hold those opinions, merely that a couple of presenters do. as i said, if instead of monk saying what he did about us Wenger had said it about Diame or if Pochetinno had about Lampard then those would be the talking points that collymore would be focussing on because they would then be the new stories. it's nothing to do with Stoke or Moses, it's simply because Monk's comments have created a news story. he will be charged for those comments, we take the 3 points and move onto Southampton as far as i'm concerned. Stoke fans going mad all over the media and complaining to the BBC will do absolutely nothing but give an actual reason for EVERYTHING our players do from now on to be put under the microscope with far more scrutiny...which is kind of the exact opposite of what they're apparently trying to achieve. We'll see Mick. Next time there's a shocking dive against us, we'll see.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 21, 2014 11:57:20 GMT
Mick if you don't think that the two penalty incidents won't make any difference then I think you might be wrong. 'Wrestling' in the box has become the norm and I think we will see more off the ball penalty decisions being made this season, hopefully Crouch will get a few in his favour (about time). Funny how we defended well second half when Ryan backed off Bony and let Cameron do his stuff though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:59:19 GMT
so in other words 2 people's personal opinions. they have a right to them don't they? if the Moses pen had been given against us i'd dare say a fair few on here would have gone mad as well. the fact remains that it's Monk and his comments that created the story, therefore the media will choose to use it as a topic of discussion. it doesn't for a second mean that Sky or the BBC hold those opinions, merely that a couple of presenters do. as i said, if instead of monk saying what he did about us Wenger had said it about Diame or if Pochetinno had about Lampard then those would be the talking points that collymore would be focussing on because they would then be the new stories. it's nothing to do with Stoke or Moses, it's simply because Monk's comments have created a news story. he will be charged for those comments, we take the 3 points and move onto Southampton as far as i'm concerned. Stoke fans going mad all over the media and complaining to the BBC will do absolutely nothing but give an actual reason for EVERYTHING our players do from now on to be put under the microscope with far more scrutiny...which is kind of the exact opposite of what they're apparently trying to achieve. We'll see Mick. Next time there's a shocking dive against us, we'll see. we'll see what? as i have pointed out, the reaction on MOTD2 and in the media ISN'T because of the perceived dive!!!!!! it's because of how Monk reacted to it!!!!! THAT is what has created the story, not the actual award of the pen!!!! if Monk had said "I though it was a soft pen but we should have put the game to bed before then anyway" then MOTD wouldn't have paid more than 10 seconds to it and the media wouldn't give a shit.....as my mate said this morning on the way to work (and 4 people at work said yesterday) "Nah it wasn't a pen for me but you got the 3 points so that's all that matters"....that's how much the average person gives a shit about it because they know it happens every week!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:02:06 GMT
Mick if you don't think that the two penalty incidents won't make any difference then I think you might be wrong. 'Wrestling' in the box has become the norm and I think we will see more off the ball penalty decisions being made this season, hopefully Crouch will get a few in his favour (about time). Funny how we defended well second half when Ryan backed off Bony and let Cameron do his stuff though. i never said the incidents won't make a difference..i said how Monk reacted and his comments won't make a difference. 2 entirely separate things mate! i also think the wrestling in the box won't be clamped down on, what they will clamp down on is largely what happened the other day (and the reason it was given in the first place) in that you can't wrestle a player like that when you're standing about 2 yards away from the ref's nose! i know that (his location) shouldn't make a difference but you really do give the ref no choice when you're standing basically right next to him. that, for me, is probably why Oliver gave it
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 12:02:14 GMT
We'll see Mick. Next time there's a shocking dive against us, we'll see. we'll see what? as i have pointed out, the reaction on MOTD2 and in the media ISN'T because of the perceived dive!!!!!! it's because of how Monk reacted to it!!!!! THAT is what has created the story, not the actual award of the pen!!!! if Monk had said "I though it was a soft pen but we should have put the game to bed before then anyway" then MOTD wouldn't have paid more than 10 seconds to it and the media wouldn't give a shit.....as my mate said this morning on the way to work (and 4 people at work said yesterday) "Nah it wasn't a pen for me but you got the 3 points so that's all that matters"....that's how much the average person gives a shit about it because they know it happens every week! We've hit the roof about penalties before and bad decisions before, Tony certainly did, and they never even made MOTD?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:07:16 GMT
we'll see what? as i have pointed out, the reaction on MOTD2 and in the media ISN'T because of the perceived dive!!!!!! it's because of how Monk reacted to it!!!!! THAT is what has created the story, not the actual award of the pen!!!! if Monk had said "I though it was a soft pen but we should have put the game to bed before then anyway" then MOTD wouldn't have paid more than 10 seconds to it and the media wouldn't give a shit.....as my mate said this morning on the way to work (and 4 people at work said yesterday) "Nah it wasn't a pen for me but you got the 3 points so that's all that matters"....that's how much the average person gives a shit about it because they know it happens every week! We've hit the roof about penalties before and bad decisions before, Tony certainly did, and they never even made MOTD? that's because TP did it in a controlled and professional way. i can't think of any time where TP lost control so much that he ended up on an FA charge because of the language and demeanour used???? that's basically even what Hughes himself said, you can have an opinion but there are certain ways to go about voicing it and what Monk did was crossing a line.that's why the media are so interested in it because it's rare for a manager to lose control on TV like that. they can't report on his reaction and not report on why he reacted can they? as of yet i've yet to see any newspaper openly agree with him and say "He was right to call Moses a cheat" they've simply reported on the incident and what Monk said. DJ's on talk radio stations can do as they have disclaimers inherent in their broadcasting that they don't necessarily represent the views of the station but in newspapers they don't do that which is why none of them have actually slagged us off for it despite what people on here seem to think.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 12:13:04 GMT
We've hit the roof about penalties before and bad decisions before, Tony certainly did, and they never even made MOTD? that's because TP did it in a controlled and professional way. i can't think of any time where TP lost control so much that he ended up on an FA charge because of the language and demeanour used???? that's basically even what Hughes himself said, you can have an opinion but there are certain ways to go about voicing it and what Monk did was crossing a line.that's why the media are so interested in it because it's rare for a manager to lose control on TV like that. they can't report on his reaction and not report on why he reacted can they? as of yet i've yet to see any newspaper openly agree with him and say "He was right to call Moses a cheat" they've simply reported on the incident and what Monk said. DJ's on talk radio stations can do as they have disclaimers inherent in their broadcasting that they don't necessarily represent the views of the station but in newspapers they don't do that which is why none of them have actually slagged us off for it despite what people on here seem to think. Fair enough Mick.
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