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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 19, 2014 21:12:28 GMT
Michael Owen would say, "He's entitled to go down" And he'd be right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 21:15:21 GMT
If the game was at 0-0 that pen would never have been given in a million years. It was simply given because the ref had 27000 fans screaming for his head and he gave in. Not that I mind but if that was against us id feel harsh done to
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 19, 2014 21:23:12 GMT
It was a dive and never a pen. Of course Im happy that we won the game but Moses theatrics (and that is what they were) leave a sour taste in the mouth.
Not that Monk has any bloody right to moan when they have Chico Flores in their squad the King Of All Cheats.
I was always proud of our hardman tag we had developed, so I hope we are not turning into the Arsenal primadonnas, trying to cheat and con at every turn
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 19, 2014 21:25:09 GMT
I can only assume this thread was made to win over a few pissed off Swansea fans that'll be reading this board to see our post match comments.
If it was the other way round I guarantee they wouldn't be saying Dyer/Routledge should be reprimanded for their actions, they'd be laughing their Jack cocks off at heaping more misery on our home form this season and pointing out that it was quite clearly a penalty, which it was, as was Bony's.
I don't get what some of our players have to do to win our fans over, Moses is an awesome player, arguably our best so far this season, and more than enough times I've seen him soldier on when he's been getting molested by opposition defenders, Janmaat was kicking shit through him when we played Castle, He ran into the box, his shirt was pulled, he goes down, referee points to the spot and we're back in the game, I guarantee if he didn't go down there'd be a thread completely opposite to this one on here saying "He should have gone down" "FFS don't be so honest" etc.
Moses didn't go down theatrically, he didn't start waving imaginary cards around, he just got up and let Charlie get us back in the game, if some fans want to take the moral high ground and keep this attitude of "We're Stoke and we're 100% honest" that's fair enough, but I'm fucking sick of us being shafted out of points by downright cheating and shit refereeing decisions, so I certainly won't be losing sleep over what in my eyes was a blatant penalty anyway.
To suggest he should be punished is laughable, it about time we started getting some decisions.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 19, 2014 21:26:32 GMT
IMO Ryan got his comeuppance today; it's been a long time coming and it no defence to say "all" the centre backs in the country do the same.
Afterwards though every time a Stoke player touched, however slightly, a Swansea player they were collapsing to the ground to try and get another free kick, booking, penalty, etc.
It was poetic justice then in my view that when Moses get a tug and was touched he dropped to earth like a stone and won a penalty.
I don't condone the practice and wish it wasn't part of the game, and it's no defence to say all the other teams are at it the same, but today it rebounded on Swansea and I won't lose any sleep.
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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2014 21:28:01 GMT
It was a dive and never a pen. Of course Im happy that we won the game but Moses theatrics (and that is what they were) leave a sour taste in the mouth. Not that Monk has any bloody right to moan when they have Chico Flores in their squad the King Of All Cheats. I was always proud of our hardman tag we had developed, so I hope we are not turning into the Arsenal primadonnas, trying to cheat and con at every turn You're picking and choosing what you deem as cheating though. We're as guilty as any team of man-handling at corners and set pieces, cynical fouling, time wasting, haranguing officials and other things that we think will give us an advantage. It's part of the game, just as forwards going down under physical challenge is. You might not like it, but that's the way it is.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 21:29:26 GMT
Shawcross was warned before the corner was taken - so what did he do? Bang average Ryan i'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 21:31:27 GMT
Just on the subject of diving what happened 1st half when there lad went past bego and went down? I've not seen a replay yet to it but did he dive or just genuinely lose his footing? I assumed at the time with no booking it was a loss of balance etc?
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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2014 21:32:38 GMT
Just on the subject of diving what happened 1st half when there lad went past bego and went down? I've not seen a replay yet to it but did he dive or just genuinely lose his footing? I assumed at the time with no booking it was a loss of balance etc? He slipped. Nothing to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 21:34:43 GMT
Clear penalty. Shirt pulling is a foul and a yellow card offence. there should have been another one too ....crouch was complaing to the liner for a while for the same thing
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Post by march4 on Oct 19, 2014 21:34:55 GMT
Just on the subject of diving what happened 1st half when there lad went past bego and went down? I've not seen a replay yet to it but did he dive or just genuinely lose his footing? I assumed at the time with no booking it was a loss of balance etc? He slipped. Nothing to it. He might have slipped Dave, but he did trail his leg hoping to get a touch on the keeper. I suspect that is what caused him to lose his balance.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Oct 19, 2014 21:35:25 GMT
What I'm trying to say is Moses could have carried on and so probably should have done. Technically it is a penalty, but that's the referee's decision to make, Not Moses'. Moses was fouled. Had he carried on and nothing come of it we'd possibly have lost that game.When players like Rangel - and it has to be said, Ryan - stop fouling in that manner, then there will be no excuse for players to go to ground easily. I really don't see why people are so outraged at players trying to gain an advantage in this way. Defenders get away with much, much more than attacking players are given by referees. They are cheating just as much as forwards. If Rangel had made absolutely no contact with Moses and our player had conned the referee a la Ashley Young, then that would have been a different matter, but I'm quite comfortable with Moses' action today. Again, this is the referee's job and as I've said before it's referees' reluctance to give a foul when a player tries to be honest that's created the situation we're now in.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 21:59:01 GMT
Clear dive!
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:01:53 GMT
I'm embarrassed that people on here are trying to justify that dive
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:10:27 GMT
My legs always buckle when someone touches me on the chest.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 19, 2014 22:12:47 GMT
He pulled his shirt. Spanish penalty
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:15:27 GMT
I'm embarrassed that people on here are trying to justify that dive TP's back on lads.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 19, 2014 22:15:34 GMT
If the ref had done his job properly he would have blown for the shirt tug before Moses hit the deck. Can anyone who says it wasn't a penalty point to the relevant law of the game which says that deliberately tugging a player's shirt, as he runs into the area, is not a foul?
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Post by tazi on Oct 19, 2014 22:15:35 GMT
Pulled his shirt, knew what he was doing and what the consequences would be should the referee see it and fortunately for us he did see it.
You just can't go around pulling shirts in the box and then act as though you've done nothing wrong.
Nailed on penalty when you go around making cynical fouls like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:15:43 GMT
He pulled his shirt. Spanish penalty Exactly, it is more of a penalty than Sterling's at our place last season.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 19, 2014 22:16:18 GMT
I laughed when Carragher was slagging Ryan off. This, from the biggest shirtpuller ever, talk about hypocracy!
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 19, 2014 22:16:20 GMT
I can only assume this thread was made to win over a few pissed off Swansea fans that'll be reading this board to see our post match comments. If it was the other way round I guarantee they wouldn't be saying Dyer/Routledge should be reprimanded for their actions, they'd be laughing their Jack cocks off at heaping more misery on our home form this season and pointing out that it was quite clearly a penalty, which it was, as was Bony's. I don't get what some of our players have to do to win our fans over, Moses is an awesome player, arguably our best so far this season, and more than enough times I've seen him soldier on when he's been getting molested by opposition defenders, Janmaat was kicking shit through him when we played Castle, He ran into the box, his shirt was pulled, he goes down, referee points to the spot and we're back in the game, I guarantee if he didn't go down there'd be a thread completely opposite to this one on here saying "He should have gone down" "FFS don't be so honest" etc. Moses didn't go down theatrically, he didn't start waving imaginary cards around, he just got up and let Charlie get us back in the game, if some fans want to take the moral high ground and keep this attitude of "We're Stoke and we're 100% honest" that's fair enough, but I'm fucking sick of us being shafted out of points by downright cheating and shit refereeing decisions, so I certainly won't be losing sleep over what in my eyes was a blatant penalty anyway. To suggest he should be punished is laughable, it about time we started getting some decisions. Bang on mate!!
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:21:07 GMT
I'm embarrassed that people on here are trying to justify that dive TP's back on lads. Aup now Tony Mowbray, how's it going?
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Post by mattface on Oct 19, 2014 22:22:03 GMT
I can only assume this thread was made to win over a few pissed off Swansea fans that'll be reading this board to see our post match comments. If it was the other way round I guarantee they wouldn't be saying Dyer/Routledge should be reprimanded for their actions, they'd be laughing their Jack cocks off at heaping more misery on our home form this season and pointing out that it was quite clearly a penalty, which it was, as was Bony's. I don't get what some of our players have to do to win our fans over, Moses is an awesome player, arguably our best so far this season, and more than enough times I've seen him soldier on when he's been getting molested by opposition defenders, Janmaat was kicking shit through him when we played Castle, He ran into the box, his shirt was pulled, he goes down, referee points to the spot and we're back in the game, I guarantee if he didn't go down there'd be a thread completely opposite to this one on here saying "He should have gone down" "FFS don't be so honest" etc. Moses didn't go down theatrically, he didn't start waving imaginary cards around, he just got up and let Charlie get us back in the game, if some fans want to take the moral high ground and keep this attitude of "We're Stoke and we're 100% honest" that's fair enough, but I'm fucking sick of us being shafted out of points by downright cheating and shit refereeing decisions, so I certainly won't be losing sleep over what in my eyes was a blatant penalty anyway. To suggest he should be punished is laughable, it about time we started getting some decisions. Well said
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:27:15 GMT
I can only assume this thread was made to win over a few pissed off Swansea fans that'll be reading this board to see our post match comments. If it was the other way round I guarantee they wouldn't be saying Dyer/Routledge should be reprimanded for their actions, they'd be laughing their Jack cocks off at heaping more misery on our home form this season and pointing out that it was quite clearly a penalty, which it was, as was Bony's. I don't get what some of our players have to do to win our fans over, Moses is an awesome player, arguably our best so far this season, and more than enough times I've seen him soldier on when he's been getting molested by opposition defenders, Janmaat was kicking shit through him when we played Castle, He ran into the box, his shirt was pulled, he goes down, referee points to the spot and we're back in the game, I guarantee if he didn't go down there'd be a thread completely opposite to this one on here saying "He should have gone down" "FFS don't be so honest" etc. Moses didn't go down theatrically, he didn't start waving imaginary cards around, he just got up and let Charlie get us back in the game, if some fans want to take the moral high ground and keep this attitude of "We're Stoke and we're 100% honest" that's fair enough, but I'm fucking sick of us being shafted out of points by downright cheating and shit refereeing decisions, so I certainly won't be losing sleep over what in my eyes was a blatant penalty anyway. To suggest he should be punished is laughable, it about time we started getting some decisions. I don't have anything against Moses as I stated in my original thread. It's easy to talk about diving when it goes against you, not quite so easy when it goes for you. As someone who hates the fact that diving is now an accepted part of English football. I will condemn Moses for what was a clear dive. Anyone who says otherwise is the clearly the hairy potter with his head in the sand. I'm delighted we won, I won £50 today as well. But I'm not happy we cheated. If you'd have paid £40 and travelled to Swansea on a Sunday to witness that you'd be livid.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:29:36 GMT
I can only assume this thread was made to win over a few pissed off Swansea fans that'll be reading this board to see our post match comments. If it was the other way round I guarantee they wouldn't be saying Dyer/Routledge should be reprimanded for their actions, they'd be laughing their Jack cocks off at heaping more misery on our home form this season and pointing out that it was quite clearly a penalty, which it was, as was Bony's. I don't get what some of our players have to do to win our fans over, Moses is an awesome player, arguably our best so far this season, and more than enough times I've seen him soldier on when he's been getting molested by opposition defenders, Janmaat was kicking shit through him when we played Castle, He ran into the box, his shirt was pulled, he goes down, referee points to the spot and we're back in the game, I guarantee if he didn't go down there'd be a thread completely opposite to this one on here saying "He should have gone down" "FFS don't be so honest" etc. Moses didn't go down theatrically, he didn't start waving imaginary cards around, he just got up and let Charlie get us back in the game, if some fans want to take the moral high ground and keep this attitude of "We're Stoke and we're 100% honest" that's fair enough, but I'm fucking sick of us being shafted out of points by downright cheating and shit refereeing decisions, so I certainly won't be losing sleep over what in my eyes was a blatant penalty anyway. To suggest he should be punished is laughable, it about time we started getting some decisions. I don't have anything against Moses as I stated in my original thread. It's easy to talk about diving when it goes against you, not quite so easy when it goes for you. As someone who hates the fact that diving is now an accepted part of English football. I will condemn Moses for what was a clear dive. Anyone who says otherwise is the clearly the hairy potter with his head in the sand. I'm delighted we won, I won £50 today as well. But I'm not happy we cheated. If you'd have paid £40 and travelled to Swansea on a Sunday to witness that you'd be livid. I'd be livid with the defender who fouled him, yeah.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:30:27 GMT
I don't have anything against Moses as I stated in my original thread. It's easy to talk about diving when it goes against you, not quite so easy when it goes for you. As someone who hates the fact that diving is now an accepted part of English football. I will condemn Moses for what was a clear dive. Anyone who says otherwise is the clearly the hairy potter with his head in the sand. I'm delighted we won, I won £50 today as well. But I'm not happy we cheated. If you'd have paid £40 and travelled to Swansea on a Sunday to witness that you'd be livid. I'd be livid with the defender who fouled him, yeah. And to think you normally talk sense
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:31:32 GMT
I'd be livid with the defender who fouled him, yeah. And to think you normally talk sense Pulling a player's shirt is against the rules, yes?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:31:42 GMT
I can't believe people don't think he dived, it's clear as day.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:33:12 GMT
I can't believe people don't think he dived, it's clear as day. We're fighting a losing battle. I'll remind everyone of this thread when Ashley Young wins a peno against us
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