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Post by harryburrows on Oct 12, 2014 13:44:51 GMT
can you not at least get his name right ? its CHARLIE Adams Not in my house. obviously old school rob , i'll look forward to your conclusions with interest
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 12, 2014 15:15:52 GMT
We need some stability so we need a Whelan to sit in front of the back 4. The only 3 I'd consider changing are Wilson, NZonzi unless he starts passing forward and Muni as for me Eric's more solid So if fit Bego Bards Ryan Huth Eric Whelan GCam Moses Adam Diouf Crouch N'Zonzi does pass it forward, usually more than he passes back most games. Why are people trying to mess about with the midfield to try and stick someone in that hasn't played the position (Cameron + Muniesa), the centre of midfield is not the problem, I can understand Adam or Ireland debates, but on the whole the midfield isn't whats wrong imo. (Unless Adam is starting )
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 12, 2014 18:08:07 GMT
We need some stability so we need a Whelan to sit in front of the back 4. The only 3 I'd consider changing are Wilson, NZonzi unless he starts passing forward and Muni as for me Eric's more solid So if fit Bego Bards Ryan Huth Eric Whelan GCam Moses Adam Diouf Crouch N'Zonzi does pass it forward, usually more than he passes back most games. Why are people trying to mess about with the midfield to try and stick someone in that hasn't played the position (Cameron + Muniesa), the centre of midfield is not the problem, I can understand Adam or Ireland debates, but on the whole the midfield isn't whats wrong imo. (Unless Adam is starting ) They've both played at cm many times. The CM is a problem but not the most pressing one. (See wilson) Our buildup play this season from Whelan and Nzonzi is very slow and coupled with direct wingers as well as having our fullbacks be more defensive minded were' struggling to catch teams on the break and then unable to get movement or breakdown defenses with nagging runs from midfield and overlapping fullbacks as we had last season. Compared to Whelan and Nzonzi. Muniesa and Cameron are very good at going forward and so far having two cdm midfielders hasn't worked at home or away this season. Hughes has tried Sidwell with either Whelan or Nzonzi. Some say a more attack minded cm could see us getting more chances and I tend to agree. Cameron had a good stint, then was injured. Others say Muniesa should be tried and I also agree with that assessment hes very composed going forward on the left. Adam easily gets us going forward but he cant seem to go a full 90. Ireland needs to be tried aswell. He's a reason our attack last season excelled at swansea away. To stick with something that is very defensive and isn't working is very hoofballesque. If not now? When should we try? Boxing day?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Oct 12, 2014 19:35:14 GMT
We could produce two fantastic teams.
Begovic Bards Wilson shawcross Erik Fonz Whelan Diouf ireland moses Crouch
Butland Gcam huth tex muni Sid Adam Ossie bojan arnie Wingie
Obviously wingie is injured but it goes to show the strength in depth we have.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 2:04:36 GMT
N'Zonzi does pass it forward, usually more than he passes back most games. Why are people trying to mess about with the midfield to try and stick someone in that hasn't played the position (Cameron + Muniesa), the centre of midfield is not the problem, I can understand Adam or Ireland debates, but on the whole the midfield isn't whats wrong imo. (Unless Adam is starting ) They've both played at cm many times. The CM is a problem but not the most pressing one. (See wilson) Our buildup play this season from Whelan and Nzonzi is very slow and coupled with direct wingers as well as having our fullbacks be more defensive minded were' struggling to catch teams on the break and then unable to get movement or breakdown defenses with nagging runs from midfield and overlapping fullbacks as we had last season. Compared to Whelan and Nzonzi. Muniesa and Cameron are very good at going forward and so far having two cdm midfielders hasn't worked at home or away this season. Hughes has tried Sidwell with either Whelan or Nzonzi. Some say a more attack minded cm could see us getting more chances and I tend to agree. Cameron had a good stint, then was injured. Others say Muniesa should be tried and I also agree with that assessment hes very composed going forward on the left. Adam easily gets us going forward but he cant seem to go a full 90. Ireland needs to be tried aswell. He's a reason our attack last season excelled at swansea away. To stick with something that is very defensive and isn't working is very hoofballesque. If not now? When should we try? Boxing day? When you say many times, you mean once. Hasn't worked away, if we'd have finished our chances we'd be much better off, as well as in our home games, some people are looking to blame the midfield because they like the look of our front 3 (Crouch, Moses and Diouf when fit) when in fact they aren't scoring enough, yes N'Zonzi has had chances and should have done much better on a couple of occasions but his main role isn't to score goals, chip in yes, be relied on no. You can't just fill your midfield with attack minded players it would be foolish and to but it bluntly, thick as fuck, you need a balance, and as I said before, on the whole, ours looks well balanced, as I say, you could argue about Adam's position because we have a couple of players that bring different things to the table in Ireland and Bojan (hopefully), but as it stands Whelan and N'Zonzi are the least of our troubles.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 13, 2014 9:03:07 GMT
Are we sure Moses and Diouf are back? Not really heard anything concrete, assuming it'll be a last minute decision?
Tough game against The Swans - their front four, Sigurdsson, Routledge, Dyer and Bony will be a handful. We need to get on the front foot straight away, get the ground rocking and go from there. It's Neil Baldwin day isn't it? Win it for Nello!
Bego Bardsley Huth Shawcross Pieters Whelan Nzonzi Adam Diouf Crouch Moses
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 11:40:43 GMT
If this is true then the midfield is a player short! Cambiasso of Leicester City is a DM but that doesn't stop him getting forward and scoring goals! When's the last time Whelan scored? Isn't Drinkwater the holding midfielder for Leicester? Drinkwater bagged 8 last season. I don't think Glenn has managed that many in his entire career.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 13, 2014 11:43:50 GMT
Isn't Drinkwater the holding midfielder for Leicester? Drinkwater bagged 8 last season. I don't think Glenn has managed that many in his entire career. He hasn't. Glenn couldn't score in a brothel, he can pass and defend though. Having two cdm who get goals once a decade hurts our GD thats for sure.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 13, 2014 12:02:59 GMT
The problem is in central midfield. Nzonzi will benefit from a spell on the sideline. Hes still great at keeping possession and looking classy in the middle.
But he leaves most of the dirty work to Whelan these days, and his shooting is truly atrocious. He can do a LOT LOT better, and no player should be undroppable.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 13, 2014 12:27:30 GMT
There was a spell last season, when Nzonzi was suspended following his sending off at Sunderland in January, where it looked like it did him, and us, good. He came back on fire, I thought, and was a big reason why we ended the season so well. But him being out of the team for a few games arguably forced us to go more direct and it coincided with the start of our results improving.
It's an interesting one as he's obviously an important part of our squad, and Hughes rightly rates him. He's also the vital cog in the possession game we try and play more often these days.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 12:34:28 GMT
Drinkwater bagged 8 last season. I don't think Glenn has managed that many in his entire career. He hasn't. Glenn couldn't score in a brothel, he can pass and defend though. Having two cdm who get goals once a decade hurts our GD thats for sure. You're wrong.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 13, 2014 12:44:51 GMT
He hasn't. Glenn couldn't score in a brothel, he can pass and defend though. Having two cdm who get goals once a decade hurts our GD thats for sure. You're wrong. He has 5 goals at stoke in his long stint here. That's the only one that counts. He still couldn't find the net if you paid him. Wait a minute.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 13, 2014 12:57:52 GMT
His job ISN'T to be scoring goals though, it's to protect the back four. Think of it as 'The Makelele role.'
Whelan has been, and remains, one of our most important players.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 13, 2014 13:16:44 GMT
His job ISN'T to be scoring goals though, it's to protect the back four. Think of it as 'The Makelele role.' Whelan has been, and remains, one of our most important players. Bullshit excuses. Everyones job is to score first and foremost. Thats the only objective of the bloody game. Sorry he just can't seem to find out how to score... The only one with a worse return has to be Wilko. BTW he is good at his role it just appalling he can't shoot or finish a goal in how many games?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 13:20:56 GMT
He has 5 goals at stoke in his long stint here. That's the only one that counts. He still couldn't find the net if you paid him. Wait a minute. He isn't paid to find the net, and you're still wrong, hes scored 23 goals in his career.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 13:21:31 GMT
His job ISN'T to be scoring goals though, it's to protect the back four. Think of it as 'The Makelele role.' Whelan has been, and remains, one of our most important players. Spot on, some people just don't have the brain power.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 13, 2014 13:22:29 GMT
He has 5 goals at stoke in his long stint here. That's the only one that counts. He still couldn't find the net if you paid him. Wait a minute. He isn't paid to find the net, and you're still wrong, hes scored 23 goals in his career. What a wonderful return for thousands of games.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 13:22:48 GMT
His job ISN'T to be scoring goals though, it's to protect the back four. Think of it as 'The Makelele role.' Whelan has been, and remains, one of our most important players. Bullshit excuses. Everyones job is to score first and foremost. Thats the only objective of the bloody game. Sorry he just can't seem to find out how to score... The only one with a worse return has to be Wilko. BTW he is good at his role it just appalling he can't shoot or finish a goal in how many games? Bego must be getting worried then, only one, fuck me he's shit, get him gone now before his lack of goals sends us down.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 13, 2014 13:25:59 GMT
It's not bullshit at all.
He's a defensive midfielder. Of course football is about scoring more goals than the other team, but to do that, you also have to have quality defensive players. It's about having players who can dig in, roll their sleeves up when the going gets tough. Whelan does this very well!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 13:27:09 GMT
He isn't paid to find the net, and you're still wrong, hes scored 23 goals in his career. What a wonderful return for thousands of games. Again wrong, 366 starts. As he was mentioned Makelele scored 17, I wonder why Chelsea, Real Madrid, Paris St-G etc bothered to sign him and play him, he's clearly utter shit.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 13, 2014 13:27:29 GMT
Bullshit excuses. Everyones job is to score first and foremost. Thats the only objective of the bloody game. Sorry he just can't seem to find out how to score... The only one with a worse return has to be Wilko. BTW he is good at his role it just appalling he can't shoot or finish a goal in how many games? Bego must be getting worried then, only one, fuck me he's shit, get him gone now before his lack of goals sends us down. Bego chips in with goals... No worries. he can actually score and his Job isnt to score... No worries. Hes already on pace to out tally glenn from the goal box.
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Post by miggo on Oct 13, 2014 18:32:31 GMT
Amazing how this board still surprises me.
Anyone questioning how good a defensive player is based on his goals to games ratio needs to take a long hard look at themselves and decide if this is the sport for you because clearly you know nothing.
Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by that's our Ric on Oct 13, 2014 18:51:48 GMT
Amazing how this board still surprises me. Anyone questioning how good a defensive player is based on his goals to games ratio needs to take a long hard look at themselves and decide if this is the sport for you because clearly you know nothing. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Haha, he's gotta be on the wind-up mate, or you do worry for his sanity ?????
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 19:02:38 GMT
Don't think Pieters should start in all honesty. His career average is 1 in 61.
Piss poor for a left back.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 13, 2014 19:45:14 GMT
Don't think Pieters should start in all honesty. His career average is 1 in 61. Piss poor for a left back. Disagree massively with you on this one as I see him as our best left back without a shadow of a doubt!
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 13, 2014 19:56:45 GMT
I pray for Moses and Diouf to be fit to start, as Arnie (despite impressing for Austria) and Ossie have been mediocre replacements. Also, surely it is time for Huth to come back?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 13, 2014 20:17:34 GMT
Amazing how this board still surprises me. Anyone questioning how good a defensive player is based on his goals to games ratio needs to take a long hard look at themselves and decide if this is the sport for you because clearly you know nothing. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Haha, he's gotta be on the wind-up mate, or you do worry for his sanity ??????? Unfortunately I don't think he is.
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Post by carinthuan on Oct 13, 2014 20:35:02 GMT
His job ISN'T to be scoring goals though, it's to protect the back four. Think of it as 'The Makelele role.' Whelan has been, and remains, one of our most important players. Bullshit excuses. Everyones job is to score first and foremost. So, you are telling us you have no idea what football is about? Or did I miss something in this really insightful reply?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 16, 2014 6:32:45 GMT
Still seem to be a lot of doubts over a number of players. Based on Whelan and Odom being the only definate 2 out I'd go with
Bego
Bardsley Huth Ryan Eric
Muni NZonzi
Diouf Ireland Moses
Crouch
I do however don't think that MLH will take the risk with Moses and Diouf so I think it's more likely to be
Bego
Bards Wilson Ryan Muni
Sidwell NZonzi
Arno Adam Assaidi
Crouch
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Post by fca47 on Oct 16, 2014 7:00:05 GMT
Sunday?
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