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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:20:49 GMT
That's a bit childish. What will actually happen is that the Scots get to self govern, with all that comes with it. It might be a left leaning country, it might put up taxes, it might vote to reflect the rest of the uk ie low taxes and low spending on public services, it might shift towards the right etc. Who knows how it might go. But at the very least, they will be voting for their own control of their own country. childish it may be .....but it's not far off Yes it was childish because it only focussed on one thing, which I haven't actually heard Alex Salmond say any of. Every time I've heard him speak it's essentially been about being able to self govern in whatever way the Scottish people then decide. It hasn't been about a magical utopia from what I've heard him say, it's been about presenting a case that an independent Scotland is more than capable of standing on their own two feet and these are the reasons why... I think some people on here have become a bit precious about a few home truths about the direction the UK has travelled in over the last 30 years or so and aren't happy having a Scot say it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:24:29 GMT
its their budget though, no different to people spending their own money on booze instead of food scotland isnt a utopia, every £ spend on free university fees is a £ not spent elsewhere we hear all this good stuff up north we dont get to hear whats not getting done, the bad points (apart from actually being scottish ) The thing is I'm yet to hear of anything they don't spend extra on, to help fund all of these expensive additional benefits. They already have devolved power to increase income tax to pay for this socialist utopia, but do they. No they prefer to let the rest of the UK's tax payers foot the bill. Not right and not fair. But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up!
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 18, 2014 15:38:07 GMT
The thing is I'm yet to hear of anything they don't spend extra on, to help fund all of these expensive additional benefits. They already have devolved power to increase income tax to pay for this socialist utopia, but do they. No they prefer to let the rest of the UK's tax payers foot the bill. Not right and not fair. But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! ...and funny that most of the supporters of the Yes seem to be mainly left/Labour supporters who will probably be consigned to opposition for ever more.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 18, 2014 15:49:03 GMT
The thing is I'm yet to hear of anything they don't spend extra on, to help fund all of these expensive additional benefits. They already have devolved power to increase income tax to pay for this socialist utopia, but do they. No they prefer to let the rest of the UK's tax payers foot the bill. Not right and not fair. But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! you cannot put a price on the greater good
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:52:49 GMT
The thing is I'm yet to hear of anything they don't spend extra on, to help fund all of these expensive additional benefits. They already have devolved power to increase income tax to pay for this socialist utopia, but do they. No they prefer to let the rest of the UK's tax payers foot the bill. Not right and not fair. But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! No ....you are twisting two seperate arguments here into an issue that suits your point of view .....I've made it plain from my own perspective , that this is something more than just an economic issue , and it's not a political issue either , but you do feel that you have to keep bringing Tories up don't you
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:54:28 GMT
But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! you cannot put a price on the greater good Apparently there are those who think you can ?
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 18, 2014 17:07:15 GMT
Some of the posts on here would create a standing ovation at the Conservative party conference. Of course the general public would just switch off, rightly call them twats and get on with their daily grind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 17:15:09 GMT
But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! No ....you are twisting two seperate arguments here into an issue that suits your point of view .....I've made it plain from my own perspective , that this is something more than just an economic issue , and it's not a political issue either , but you do feel that you have to keep bringing Tories up don't you I believe you, Bish. However, I'd say most other Tories on here just don't want to see Cameron get another bloody nose. They won't admit it though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 17:15:44 GMT
But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! you cannot put a price on the greater good Don't worry, there will be a Tory government along soon who will do just that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 17:17:07 GMT
But quite funny when you think it's mainly the Tories on here, who are normally so careful with their money and abhor any extra expenditure, often calling it wasted, who are most vocal in retaining a country which will end up costing them so much more. You couldn't make it up! ...and funny that most of the supporters of the Yes seem to be mainly left/Labour supporters who will probably be consigned to opposition for ever more. Let's hope it happens then and I'll have a bet with you that that is not in fact the case south of the border
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 20:17:59 GMT
No ....you are twisting two seperate arguments here into an issue that suits your point of view .....I've made it plain from my own perspective , that this is something more than just an economic issue , and it's not a political issue either , but you do feel that you have to keep bringing Tories up don't you I believe you, Bish. However, I'd say most other Tories on here just don't want to see Cameron get another bloody nose. They won't admit it though You may be right ......there may be no avoiding it though , for the sake of Unity I hope it's not the case either , for purely unpolitical reasons though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 20:26:18 GMT
...and funny that most of the supporters of the Yes seem to be mainly left/Labour supporters who will probably be consigned to opposition for ever more. Let's hope it happens then and I'll have a bet with you that that is not in fact the case south of the border The situation South of the border is not up grabs though ......it's not necessarily true as some are predicting that the loss of 40 MP's would consign Labour into perpetual opposition , it's a fact though that it would make their task of winning a majority in a General Election significantly more difficult ....it will make for interesting times ahead should this happen
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 22:36:11 GMT
If i were scottish i would vote yes, the way everything has been thrown at them in the last few days would have me suspicious. It all comes down to oil and if they had none we would push them instead.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 18, 2014 22:42:48 GMT
Liblabcon love the UK so much, they've been screwing the place and people over for decades and handing over its sovereignty to EU dictators and their sham gravy-train parliament.
How can anyone fall for their shite anymore?
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Post by vahl on Sept 19, 2014 0:12:51 GMT
I think some people on here have become a bit precious about a few home truths about the direction the UK has travelled in over the last 30 years or so and aren't happy having a Scot say it. Well, you're kind of right but let's do it together, eh? The UK may have its issues but do you think the English, Welsh & Northern Irish don't think the same? Scottish people are not the only ones that have something to say and, since we all made the UK what it is, can we at least attempt to change it for the better together? With comments like yours - which I've heard a few of from different Scots - it makes me feel like Scotland have just used and abused the rest of us and as soon as shit hits the fan, you fuck off and leave us to fiend for ourselves.
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