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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 22:50:07 GMT
They're benefitting even more now. They've appointed a manager that spends a 20th of the previous manager and takes the current squad to places the previous manager could never do. With better football. Go figure. That wouldn't have been possible during the early days of promotion. I think you know that already. There is no way we would of signed Bojan, Arnie, Diouf or the rest,being a newly promoted club . It takes time, experience and endeavour to develop the structure we have now. On the other side of the coin,Swansea did it quicker than us. An outstanding achievement . How much time though? We weren't any closer to doing that after 4-5 seasons than after 1-2.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 22:50:19 GMT
Hughes is building on Pulis' success. Bego Shawcross N'Zonzi and Whelan are still mainstays.
Without Pulis' input we'd never have attracted a manager like Mark Hughes. We were fishing in a pool with the likes of George Burley and Bryan Robson FFS. 25 years outside of the top flight meant we weren't an attractive proposition!
He put us back on the map.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 22:50:39 GMT
They're benefitting even more now. They've appointed a manager that spends a 20th of the previous manager and takes the current squad to places the previous manager could never do. With better football. Go figure. That wouldn't have been possible during the early days of promotion. I think you know that already. There is no way we would of signed Bojan, Arnie, Diouf or the rest,being a newly promoted club . It takes time, experience and endeavour to develop the structure we have now. On the other side of the coin,Swansea did it quicker than us. An outstanding achievement . He would have invested 100M better than Pulis. I think you know that already.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 22:50:53 GMT
I literally cannot believe what I'm reading on here. Yeah not all the football was thrilling but what a ride the man gave us. Historically one of our greatest ever managers, the 07-11 seasons will be talked about in 50 years time. You may not like him but he deserves respect for what he's done for our team and City. 25 years out of the top flight ended and our first ever FA Cup final. To call him toxic after what he achieved is insulting. He's clearly a toxic individual and I don't think that's being disrespectful. I have massive respect for what he has done for us and I haven't suggested otherwise but the bloke is divisive to the core. "Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism", I think the damage to the fanbase is deep, hence why I think he's toxic.
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 12, 2014 22:53:32 GMT
Put your flag to the mast. Do you have any appreciation to watching Premiership Football and consider that TP had a significant input to SCFC's success. YES or NO. A one word answer please to alleviate any suggestions you have a personal agenda. YES or NO Of course I appreciate it hence my earlier answer of no but that seems to have flown over your head! But you say what you said about the Coates family but they still sacked him, quite pertinent no? As for an agenda, no! That word is the worst thing to happen to this messageboard in the past 18 months. It was a personal question YES or NO I thought that was quite simple.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 22:53:59 GMT
That wouldn't have been possible during the early days of promotion. I think you know that already. There is no way we would of signed Bojan, Arnie, Diouf or the rest,being a newly promoted club . It takes time, experience and endeavour to develop the structure we have now. On the other side of the coin,Swansea did it quicker than us. An outstanding achievement . He would have invested 100M better than Pulis. I think you know that already. That £100m is pretty irrelevant given the increased revenue, prize money and tv money we archived in his six years. We'd recoup £40m min if we sold off his remaining assets. Then there's players like Sidibe Beattie and Fuller, a strike force that did us proud in the prem for peanuts
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 22:54:40 GMT
He would have invested 100M better than Pulis. I think you know that already. That £100m is pretty irrelevant given the increased revenue, prize money and tv money we archived in his six years. We'd recoup £40m min if we sold off his remaining assets. Then there's players like Sidibe Beattie and Fuller, a strike force that did us proud in the prem for peanuts So irrelevant it got him sacked...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 22:55:07 GMT
Of course I appreciate it hence my earlier answer of no but that seems to have flown over your head! But you say what you said about the Coates family but they still sacked him, quite pertinent no? As for an agenda, no! That word is the worst thing to happen to this messageboard in the past 18 months. It was a personal question YES or NO I thought that was quite simple. And I've said no! Quite a few times!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 22:55:26 GMT
He would have invested 100M better than Pulis. I think you know that already. That £100m is pretty irrelevant given the increased revenue, prize money and tv money we archived in his six years. We'd recoup £40m min if we sold off his remaining assets. Then there's players like Sidibe Beattie and Fuller, a strike force that did us proud in the prem for peanuts Why sack him then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 22:55:49 GMT
He would have invested 100M better than Pulis. I think you know that already. That £100m is pretty irrelevant given the increased revenue, prize money and tv money we archived in his six years. We'd recoup £40m min if we sold off his remaining assets. Then there's players like Sidibe Beattie and Fuller, a strike force that did us proud in the prem for peanuts So just a loss of 60M then? BET365 must be proud of their investment.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2014 22:56:15 GMT
Hughes is building on Pulis' success. Bego Shawcross N'Zonzi and Whelan are still mainstays. Without Pulis' input we'd never have attracted a manager like Mark Hughes. We were fishing in a pool with the likes of George Burley and Bryan Robson FFS. 25 years outside of the top flight meant we weren't an attractive proposition! He put us back on the map. Hindsight - the foundation, the very bedrock of rimming.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 22:56:28 GMT
That £100m is pretty irrelevant given the increased revenue, prize money and tv money we archived in his six years. We'd recoup £40m min if we sold off his remaining assets. Then there's players like Sidibe Beattie and Fuller, a strike force that did us proud in the prem for peanuts So irrelevant it got him sacked... The ride came to an end. Even he admitted it was time to move on. Cough, Fergie, Robson. All great eras come to an end at some point.
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 22:56:58 GMT
It was a personal question YES or NO I thought that was quite simple. And I've said no! Quite a few times! Bloody emoticons!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 22:57:12 GMT
So irrelevant it got him sacked... The ride came to an end. Even he admitted it was time to move on. Cough, Fergie, Robson. All great eras come to an end at some point. Absolutely. And a big reason why it came to an end was because he'd lost the plot in the transfer market, among other areas.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 22:57:25 GMT
That £100m is pretty irrelevant given the increased revenue, prize money and tv money we archived in his six years. We'd recoup £40m min if we sold off his remaining assets. Then there's players like Sidibe Beattie and Fuller, a strike force that did us proud in the prem for peanuts So just a loss of 60M then? BET365 must be proud of their investment. Count in the revenue and tv money and increased sponsorship, and tell me if we lost that money. Don't be so wet
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 22:58:07 GMT
So irrelevant it got him sacked... The ride came to an end. Even he admitted it was time to move on. Cough, Fergie, Robson. All great eras come to an end at some point. He was sacked....fired....made redundant. It wasn't some mutual thing, you do realise that right?
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 22:59:40 GMT
The ride came to an end. Even he admitted it was time to move on. Cough, Fergie, Robson. All great eras come to an end at some point. Absolutely. And a big reason why it came to an end was because he'd lost the plot in the transfer market, among other areas. Crouch and Palacios was the turning point. But should a slightly sour ending really tarnish what an absolutely outstanding job he did at a club who went from a struggling CCC side to an established top flight club in a few short years?
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 23:00:08 GMT
The ride came to an end. Even he admitted it was time to move on. Cough, Fergie, Robson. All great eras come to an end at some point. He was sacked....fired....made redundant. It wasn't some mutual thing, you do realise that right? As was Bobby Robson at Newcastle
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 23:01:03 GMT
So just a loss of 60M then? BET365 must be proud of their investment. Count in the revenue and tv money and increased sponsorship, and tell me if we lost that money. Don't be so wet Are you ignoring wages in the running costs here? We've lost money on our transfers. Look at it any way you want and dress it up how you want. We've lost money and missed a trick. The club hit the jackpot for the first time in 25 years and threw money up the wall when it should and could have invested it properly. It's money we'll never have again. People should be falling at the feet of Hughes. He's worked a miracle in 12 months. He's improved the players Pulis left, played better football and brought in better players for peanuts. It's a crying shame he's had to.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 23:01:03 GMT
Hughes is building on Pulis' success. Bego Shawcross N'Zonzi and Whelan are still mainstays. Without Pulis' input we'd never have attracted a manager like Mark Hughes. We were fishing in a pool with the likes of George Burley and Bryan Robson FFS. 25 years outside of the top flight meant we weren't an attractive proposition! He put us back on the map. Hindsight - the foundation, the very bedrock of rimming. You've lost me.
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Post by prettything on Sept 12, 2014 23:01:24 GMT
That wouldn't have been possible during the early days of promotion. I think you know that already. There is no way we would of signed Bojan, Arnie, Diouf or the rest,being a newly promoted club . It takes time, experience and endeavour to develop the structure we have now. On the other side of the coin,Swansea did it quicker than us. An outstanding achievement . He would have invested 100M better than Pulis. I think you know that already. We wouldn't of been able to attract the likes of Hughes though, would we? We were only able to move forward because of where we were at the time of Hughes appointment. That's like saying we wouldn't of signed David Oldfield if Alex Ferguson was in charge.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 23:03:01 GMT
He was sacked....fired....made redundant. It wasn't some mutual thing, you do realise that right? As was Bobby Robson at Newcastle But Robson was at a club that sees themselves as massive and was underachieving. TP according to you was still making us money and doing well, why was he sacked if that was the case? Back to Robson, I can only remember his latter efforts as a manager, I was never impressed. I can't remember Italia 90.
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 12, 2014 23:03:13 GMT
I literally cannot believe what I'm reading on here. Yeah not all the football was thrilling but what a ride the man gave us. Historically one of our greatest ever managers, the 07-11 seasons will be talked about in 50 years time. You may not like him but he deserves respect for what he's done for our team and City. 25 years out of the top flight ended and our first ever FA Cup final. To call him toxic after what he achieved is insulting. He's clearly a toxic individual and I don't think that's being disrespectful. I have massive respect for what he has done for us and I haven't suggested otherwise but the bloke is divisive to the core. "Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism", I think the damage to the fanbase is deep, hence why I think he's toxic. The damage to the fan base? What's our average gate been since promotion Certain posters have been more than "toxic" to this message board and in the detriment to SCFC than any Chairman/Manager/Coach or player. Debate? Fuck that lets have a prolonged we shout louder than any other fucker consensus
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 23:03:40 GMT
Count in the revenue and tv money and increased sponsorship, and tell me if we lost that money. Don't be so wet Are you ignoring wages in the running costs here? We've lost money on our transfers. Look at it any way you want and dress it up how you want. We've lost money and missed a trick. People should be falling at the feet of Hughes. He's worked a miracle in 12 months. He's improved the players Pulis left, played better football and brought in better players for peanuts. It's a crying shame he's had to. When Pulis came to Stoke, Mark Hughes was managing a top eight club in Blackburn. We had never experienced the top flight gravy train which makes the success of us and Swansea even more remarkable. I don't see how establishing us in this money rich league cost us money. Peter Coates still talks very highly of the man
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2014 23:04:02 GMT
Absolutely. And a big reason why it came to an end was because he'd lost the plot in the transfer market, among other areas. Crouch and Palacios was the turning point. But should a slightly sour ending really tarnish what an absolutely outstanding job he did at a club who went from a struggling CCC side to an established top flight club in a few short years? It doesn't detract from the wonderful job he did for 4/5 of his time here but it can't be stricken from the records either. Credit where it's due one million per cent but the criticism towards the end was richly deserved as well, and the expenditure was a huge factor in him being given his cards.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2014 23:04:42 GMT
Hindsight - the foundation, the very bedrock of rimming. You've lost me. Fishing for the likes of Burley and Robson - all managers with better records than Pulis at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 23:04:48 GMT
Are you ignoring wages in the running costs here? We've lost money on our transfers. Look at it any way you want and dress it up how you want. We've lost money and missed a trick. People should be falling at the feet of Hughes. He's worked a miracle in 12 months. He's improved the players Pulis left, played better football and brought in better players for peanuts. It's a crying shame he's had to. When Pulis came to Stoke, Mark Hughes was managing a top eight club in Blackburn. We had never experienced the top flight gravy train which makes the success of us and Swansea even more remarkable. I don't see how establishing us in this money rich league cost us money. Peter Coates still talks very highly of the man...and then sacked him. Why?
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Post by upthefud on Sept 12, 2014 23:05:57 GMT
As was Bobby Robson at Newcastle But Robson was at a club that sees themselves as massive and was underachieving. TP according to you was still making us money and doing well, why was he sacked if that was the case? Back to Robson, I can only remember his latter efforts as a manager, I was never impressed. I can't remember Italia 90. We stagnated under Pulis and it was the right time for him to move on. Doesn't take anything away from his achievement. And judging by his performance at Palace it was a good split for us both
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 23:06:36 GMT
He's clearly a toxic individual and I don't think that's being disrespectful. I have massive respect for what he has done for us and I haven't suggested otherwise but the bloke is divisive to the core. "Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism", I think the damage to the fanbase is deep, hence why I think he's toxic. The damage to the fan base? What's our average gate been since promotion Certain posters have been more than "toxic" to this message board and in the detriment to SCFC than any Chairman/Manager/Coach or player. Debate? Fuck that lets have a prolonged we shout louder than any other fucker consensus It's increased but the damage is done with shit like this thread and I don't like that. And lets be honest after his final season here we lost 2/3,000 season ticket holders? We did, it got the manager sacked!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2014 23:08:08 GMT
But Robson was at a club that sees themselves as massive and was underachieving. TP according to you was still making us money and doing well, why was he sacked if that was the case? Back to Robson, I can only remember his latter efforts as a manager, I was never impressed. I can't remember Italia 90. We stagnated under Pulis and it was the right time for him to move on. Doesn't take anything away from his achievement. And judging by his performance at Palace it was a good split for us both Definitely and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But this whole thing about money being irrelevant is utter bull because in the end it's one of the reasons he was sacked! It can't have been that irrelevant.
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