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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 8:55:44 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 22, 2015 8:55:44 GMT
The problem with his runs are that we need a central midfielder who can hit a good forward ball early. We have two at the moment who either can't or can but dwell on the ball too much. By the time we get the ball wide to players who can it is too late and it's the wrong type of ball for a player like Diouf. The one frustration here is Adam. A player who hasn't been used that much, but a player with the ability to spot that pass and execute it. I'm assuming Hughes is thinking Bojan is going to be that man, operating in the hole. Otherwise you'd have to be looking at replacing N'Zonzi.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 8:59:21 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2015 8:59:21 GMT
The problem with his runs are that we need a central midfielder who can hit a good forward ball early. We have two at the moment who either can't or can but dwell on the ball too much. By the time we get the ball wide to players who can it is too late and it's the wrong type of ball for a player like Diouf. The one frustration here is Adam. A player who hasn't been used that much, but a player with the ability to spot that pass and execute it. Except on Saturday when he missed the most obvious one. I was subdued on Saturday due to feeling like a sack of shit but that had me running down the stairs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 9:00:24 GMT
The problem with his runs are that we need a central midfielder who can hit a good forward ball early. We have two at the moment who either can't or can but dwell on the ball too much. By the time we get the ball wide to players who can it is too late and it's the wrong type of ball for a player like Diouf. The one frustration here is Adam. A player who hasn't been used that much, but a player with the ability to spot that pass and execute it. Except on Saturday when he missed the most obvious one. I was subdued on Saturday due to feeling like a sack of shit but that had me running down the stairs. You subdued? Did your leg fall off?
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 9:02:54 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2015 9:02:54 GMT
Except on Saturday when he missed the most obvious one. I was subdued on Saturday due to feeling like a sack of shit but that had me running down the stairs. You subdued? Did your leg fall off? I would have been happier if my seat was a commode....let me put it that way!
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 9:45:11 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 22, 2015 9:45:11 GMT
The problem with his runs are that we need a central midfielder who can hit a good forward ball early. We have two at the moment who either can't or can but dwell on the ball too much. By the time we get the ball wide to players who can it is too late and it's the wrong type of ball for a player like Diouf. The one frustration here is Adam. A player who hasn't been used that much, but a player with the ability to spot that pass and execute it. Yet consistently fails to play it quickly enough. See Saturday and the pass for the first of Arnie's disallowed goals at west ham.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 9:47:07 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 22, 2015 9:47:07 GMT
I like how the haters have only found a way into the thread with the Fuller comparison. Get back under your rocks. Saying he's no Ricardo Fuller is no slight on diouf, certainly not from my perspective. He is no Ricardo Fuller but not many are.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 22, 2015 9:52:29 GMT
I like how the haters have only found a way into the thread with the Fuller comparison. Get back under your rocks. See my middle ground post. And Johnno's. I know they can get lost amidst all the teenage angst on here but they are there if you look.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 10:49:10 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 10:49:10 GMT
I agree with you both and all I said that he's a better finisher than ric was (which I believe he is). That's no slight on Ric and Diouf is nowhere near his standard in any other part of his game.
The point I was making was the ones that slagged him off 'from day one' were strangely quite on this thread, not even faint praise, until Ric was mentioned. Then, with that, it gave them a chance to slag Diouf off again as he isn't as good.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 11:18:11 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 22, 2015 11:18:11 GMT
Ill eat a bit of humble pie about Diouf.
It looks like hes worked on his first touch in training and not looking so clumsy. And he does seem to know how to finish when hes in the box.
Hes definitely first choice striker for us at the moment and I dont see us buying anyone better in the summer. I can see him getting 15 goals next season
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Post by werrington on Apr 22, 2015 11:31:12 GMT
The trouble with many on here is they don't give anybody time to adapt or settle in
It's all so fucking black/white with them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 11:39:36 GMT
The trouble with many on here is they don't give anybody time to adapt or settle in It's all so fucking black/white with them This is one of my main gripes. Doesn't matter what money they're on, human nature means players often struggle to settle straightaway, moreso when they're moving from abroad. Some people just can't wait to stick the knife in, presumably just to get their voice heard. It's always happened though. As far back as Brynjar Gunnarsson, people were slagging him off and wanting him sent packing back to Iceland after his first few games. The following season he walked it for every player of the season award going.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:44:09 GMT
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Post by werrington on Apr 22, 2015 11:44:09 GMT
The trouble with many on here is they don't give anybody time to adapt or settle in It's all so fucking black/white with them This is one of my main gripes. Doesn't matter what money they're on, human nature means players often struggle to settle straightaway, moreso when they're moving from abroad. Some people just can't wait to stick the knife in, presumably just to get their voice heard. It's always happened though. As far back as Brynjar Gunnarsson, people were slagging him off and wanting him sent packing back to Iceland after his first few games. The following season he walked it for every player of the season award going. Arnie, Bojan and now Wolscheid is getting " the treatment " Idiots mate .....add them to those who haven't even signed yet and they get slaughtered also
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 22, 2015 12:05:53 GMT
I like how the haters have only found a way into the thread with the Fuller comparison. Get back under your rocks. See my middle ground post. And Johnno's. I know they can get lost amidst all the teenage angst on here but they are there if you look. Yep. Apparently either you think he's amazing or you're a 'hater'. Nothing more layered than that will be tolerated.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 12:14:57 GMT
Post by adamsson on Apr 22, 2015 12:14:57 GMT
Nope but he's a good striker and more than good enough to be given a proper run in our side up top. And as much as I love Fuller, I think Diouf will beat his league tallies if given the chance. I am sure he will, Ric scored 18 Prem goals for us across 4 seasons. 11 in his first season 2008/9 but he only garnered a further 7 in total in his final 3 seasons the last of which was cut short so he was far from prolific. I think Diouf is broadly speaking a functional striker in a rumbustious kind of a way. It is just a pity he looks so poor on the ball which means we are never going to look classy with him leading the line. In fact I don't think it is going too far to say nothing prepared me for just how bad he was going to look on the ball. It brings to mind the old one liner "I wouldn't say his first touch is bad but his second touch is normally a header" You missed Saturday's game then? Diouf 1 chance 1 goal N'Zonzi 1 absolute sitter and a chance no goals Crouch 1 sitter no goals
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 12:19:47 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 12:19:47 GMT
See my middle ground post. And Johnno's. I know they can get lost amidst all the teenage angst on here but they are there if you look. Yep. Apparently either you think he's amazing or you're a 'hater'. Nothing more layered than that will be tolerated. Actually I don't see you as a hater and as I've stated in my previous post. It's the ones that give players 1 or 2 games to write them off or, more appropriately, slag off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 12:26:01 GMT
This is one of my main gripes. Doesn't matter what money they're on, human nature means players often struggle to settle straightaway, moreso when they're moving from abroad. Some people just can't wait to stick the knife in, presumably just to get their voice heard. It's always happened though. As far back as Brynjar Gunnarsson, people were slagging him off and wanting him sent packing back to Iceland after his first few games. The following season he walked it for every player of the season award going. Arnie, Bojan and now Wolscheid is getting " the treatment " Idiots mate .....add them to those who haven't even signed yet and they get slaughtered also "The treatment". Like it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 22, 2015 12:29:02 GMT
Yep. Apparently either you think he's amazing or you're a 'hater'. Nothing more layered than that will be tolerated. Actually I don't see you as a hater and as I've stated in my previous post. It's the ones that give players 1 or 2 games to write them off or, more appropriately, slag off. Well that's nice to know. Apologies, champ.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 12:46:55 GMT
Post by Gods on Apr 22, 2015 12:46:55 GMT
I am sure he will, Ric scored 18 Prem goals for us across 4 seasons. 11 in his first season 2008/9 but he only garnered a further 7 in total in his final 3 seasons the last of which was cut short so he was far from prolific. I think Diouf is broadly speaking a functional striker in a rumbustious kind of a way. It is just a pity he looks so poor on the ball which means we are never going to look classy with him leading the line. In fact I don't think it is going too far to say nothing prepared me for just how bad he was going to look on the ball. It brings to mind the old one liner "I wouldn't say his first touch is bad but his second touch is normally a header" You missed Saturday's game then? Diouf 1 chance 1 goal N'Zonzi 1 absolute sitter and a chance no goals Crouch 1 sitter no goals I said Diouf will beat Ric's total comfortably given the chance and that he is certainly a functional striker. My only point was that he looks a bit shit on the ball but he does get the job done it seems.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 13:24:59 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 13:24:59 GMT
Actually I don't see you as a hater and as I've stated in my previous post. It's the ones that give players 1 or 2 games to write them off or, more appropriately, slag off. Well that's nice to know. Apologies, champ. You may pass.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 13:37:50 GMT
I've always rated the lad. In fact, I think me and Trouserdog were two of the first posters on board.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 14:06:53 GMT
No Delilah was, then he wasn't, then he thought he was, then he was unsure if he'll ever be, now he's just unsure.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 14:10:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 14:10:27 GMT
No Delilah was, then he wasn't, then he thought he was, then he was unsure if he'll ever be, now he's just unsure. jesus! give it a rest!!! are you ever going to make an actual comment about football or the team or do you simply come on here to antagonise other people? getting back to the thread would be nice instead of it being hijacked by the usual suspects who just want a bit of one-upmanship
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 14:12:20 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 14:12:20 GMT
No Delilah was, then he wasn't, then he thought he was, then he was unsure if he'll ever be, now he's just unsure. jesus! give it a rest!!! are you ever going to make an actual comment about football or the team or do you simply come on here to antagonise other people? getting back to the thread would be nice instead of it being hijacked by the usual suspects who just want a bit of one-upmanship Fucking hell it was a joke, get over yourself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2015 15:48:17 GMT
Diouf is definitely better at finishing than Fuller.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 15:52:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 15:52:19 GMT
The problem with his runs are that we need a central midfielder who can hit a good forward ball early. We have two at the moment who either can't or can but dwell on the ball too much. By the time we get the ball wide to players who can it is too late and it's the wrong type of ball for a player like Diouf. The one frustration here is Adam. A player who hasn't been used that much, but a player with the ability to spot that pass and execute it. I'm assuming Hughes is thinking Bojan is going to be that man, operating in the hole. Otherwise you'd have to be looking at replacing N'Zonzi. spot on!!! i've mentioned a few times now that we can't really judge Diouf completely until we've had more time out of Bojan as i'm pretty sure Hughes was expecting to use the 2 in conjunction with each other. expecting the same results from Diouf when he's having to rely on Adam/Ireland instead isn't really fair IMO
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 22, 2015 15:56:25 GMT
I'm assuming Hughes is thinking Bojan is going to be that man, operating in the hole. Otherwise you'd have to be looking at replacing N'Zonzi. spot on!!! i've mentioned a few times now that we can't really judge Diouf completely until we've had more time out of Bojan as i'm pretty sure Hughes was expecting to use the 2 in conjunction with each other. expecting the same results from Diouf when he's having to rely on Adam/Ireland instead isn't really fair IMO I'm not sure he was expecting that to be honest Mick. Didn't Bojan start out wide on the first day of the season? We didn't see him start in what turned out to be his best position in the league until November.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 16:03:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 16:03:07 GMT
spot on!!! i've mentioned a few times now that we can't really judge Diouf completely until we've had more time out of Bojan as i'm pretty sure Hughes was expecting to use the 2 in conjunction with each other. expecting the same results from Diouf when he's having to rely on Adam/Ireland instead isn't really fair IMO I'm not sure he was expecting that to be honest Mick. Didn't Bojan start out wide on the first day of the season? We didn't see him start in what turned out to be his best position in the league until November. yes agreed he was out wide but i don't think he was ever expected to be an out and out wide man slinging in crosses i.e a "Winger". i think hughes put him out wide in the same way Wingie was used out wide i.e. get up to support, create space but then cut in and run at the defence. i think he was still expected to be the main creator of chances using his skill etc.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 16:39:31 GMT
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Post by redwhite on Apr 22, 2015 16:39:31 GMT
Stoke are at the level where to progress they need to find a 15-20 goal striker at least for a year or two. This year has been generally poor with Costa and Aguero injured for parts and other big names out of position/form but mostly the top 5 or 6 (Stokes aim) have one. Diouf will never be that man. Why will he never be that man? The bloke has started up front just 16 times in his FIRST season at the club and has managed 10 goals. He could get 15 by the end of this season with a bit of luck! To have started a third of his games completely out of position, with a much hindered attacking force due to injury and lack of form (Arnie, Bojan, Odemwingie, Moses)is mightily impressive. There is nothing to suggest that your assertive statement is true.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 21:43:18 GMT
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Post by chinesedave on Apr 22, 2015 21:43:18 GMT
I'm so chuffed for Diouf. The lad went to Germany, put those spitting incidents behind him, sorted his game out and now he chose us to come back to us and he's got 10 goals. All you moaners shut the **** up
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 25, 2015 18:54:00 GMT
Was absolutely furious when he was substituted today and told Leslie so as well.
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