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Post by slpmarc on Jul 24, 2015 9:26:23 GMT
We have a better chance then some give Stoke credit for in securing Yarmo's signature. Things alter all the time some taking the move away from a club and sometimes making a less favourable club more of a choice than others. In transfers it can all fall down to who you know are you referring to a certain Mr Mellor by any chance? He obviously knows him as photo was posted online last year of them two together
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jul 24, 2015 9:32:43 GMT
are you referring to a certain Mr Mellor by any chance? He obviously knows him as photo was posted online last year of them two together Marc in realistic terms what would you say the chance of him signing for us? Percentage wise.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 24, 2015 9:41:07 GMT
He obviously knows him as photo was posted online last year of them two together Marc in realistic terms what would you say the chance of him signing for us? Percentage wise. Hard to say as tomorrow a side with champions league football already could bid for him, then we would have bugger all chance, unless that side was so big that he would not be assured of a starting place. He wants to build his career not ruin it. Stoke would be only a deal to increase his profile and prove he can perform outside the relatively poor league in Ukraine. He was assured PSG would bid for him in January but the FFP sanctions meant it was not forthcoming, he has grown tired of waiting for that avenue as it does not look like it is happening. At €20million plus he is a big risk to take for any side especially ones not backed up by sky's TV money I would give us a 75% chance as we stand today
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 24, 2015 9:47:46 GMT
Even if he doesn't sign, there's no Yarm in trying.
Terrible, I'm sorry.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 24, 2015 9:49:33 GMT
Even if he doesn't sign, there's no Yarm in trying. Terrible, I'm sorry. I'd stick to the day job, mate. (Writing soft(ish) porn about Bojan.)
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jul 24, 2015 9:53:17 GMT
Marc in realistic terms what would you say the chance of him signing for us? Percentage wise. Hard to say as tomorrow a side with champions league football already could bid for him, then we would have bugger all chance, unless that side was so big that he would not be assured of a starting place. He wants to build his career not ruin it. Stoke would be only a deal to increase his profile and prove he can perform outside the relatively poor league in Ukraine. He was assured PSG would bid for him in January but the FFP sanctions meant it was not forthcoming, he has grown tired of waiting for that avenue as it does not look like it is happening. At €20million plus he is a big risk to take for any side especially ones not backed up by sky's TV money I would give us a 75% chance as we stand today Cheers for that Marc. It sounds like this saga could go on until Deadline Day, obviously if the CL team offer first team football, steady wages in a top league then its game over. Its good to see Stoke showing the type of ambition fans would never have dreamed of especially looking back to the gloomy 97-98 season. If this deal happens or falls through its good to see that were trying to reach that next level.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 10:00:25 GMT
Even if he doesn't sign, there's no Yarm in trying. Terrible, I'm sorry. I'd stick to the day job, mate. (Writing soft(ish) porn about Bojan.) Leave him alone mate, he's Yarmless.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jul 24, 2015 10:02:23 GMT
I'd stick to the day job, mate. (Writing soft(ish) porn about Bojan.) Leave him alone mate, he's Yarmless. Stop picking on him lads he might start self Yarming.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 24, 2015 10:03:01 GMT
You'd have to presume that (like with Shaqiri) we'll be offering him a buy out clause should a Champions League club come in for him in 12 months time. So, if he did come to us, in all probability he would only be risking delaying a move to his dream team for 12 months.
On the positive side, for him, is that he would get the chance to play against (and with!) some top players week in and week out - and would be paid handsomely for doing so - what is his salary now - at a guess half or a third of what we'll offer? So, if a big club in Germany, Spain or England doesn't come in for him in the next few weeks he has little to lose (and a lot to gain) by choosing us.
For us, the downside is that we may only have him for a year. The upsides are: If a big club comes in for him it means he has done well for us, we'll make a decent profit on his buy out fee and (perhaps most importantly) we'll show what we can achieve with the right quality player AND we may have established ourselves as a "go to" club for any player who is ambitious to further their career.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 24, 2015 10:03:22 GMT
I'd stick to the day job, mate. (Writing soft(ish) porn about Bojan.) Leave him alone mate, he's Yarmless. He knows I'm only joking. No Yarm done.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 24, 2015 10:03:24 GMT
Overall, that is much more positive surely.
But he says he'll give it until August - but is that 11:59 on 31st or 00:01 on the 1st?
Also we obviously have to tread a difficult line between waiting for a positive answer (once again - plus appearing to be 100% committed) & getting onto other targets.
This is a poker game.
But we do have a family running the club with something of a decent track record for the odd gamble, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 10:12:56 GMT
He's teasing us isn't he? Come on lads, we know this game by now.
He'll turn up at Clayton Woods next for a few photo's with the locals.
Textbook from Linnet MkII.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 24, 2015 10:15:49 GMT
Overall, that is much more positive surely.
But he says he'll give it until August - but is that 11:59 on 31st or 00:01 on the 1st?
Also we obviously have to tread a difficult line between waiting for a positive answer (once again - plus appearing to be 100% committed) & getting onto other targets.
This is a poker game.
But we do have a family running the club with something of a decent track record for the odd gamble, eh?
Great post with an important point re do we give him a deadline ?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 24, 2015 10:20:48 GMT
Leave him alone mate, he's Yarmless. He knows I'm only joking. No Yarm done. I'm crying into my cup of Lenko Coffee.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 24, 2015 10:28:12 GMT
He knows I'm only joking. No Yarm done. I'm crying into my cup of Lenko Coffee. You've sunk to a new low there.
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Post by abdylilah on Jul 24, 2015 10:29:07 GMT
You'd have to presume that (like with Shaqiri) we'll be offering him a buy out clause should a Champions League club come in for him in 12 months time. So, if he did come to us, in all probability he would only be risking delaying a move to his dream team for 12 months. On the positive side, for him, is that he would get the chance to play against (and with!) some top players week in and week out - and would be paid handsomely for doing so - what is his salary now - at a guess half or a third of what we'll offer? So, if a big club in Germany, Spain or England doesn't come in for him in the next few weeks he has little to lose (and a lot to gain) by choosing us. For us, the downside is that we may only have him for a year. The upsides are: If a big club comes in for him it means he has done well for us, we'll make a decent profit on his buy out fee and (perhaps most importantly) we'll show what we can achieve with the right quality player AND we may have established ourselves as a "go to" club for any player who is ambitious to further their career. This
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2015 10:30:38 GMT
Konoplyanka was out of contract and had to make his mind up who to pick, whereas Yarmolenko and Shaqiri (and others?) have contracts and can bide their time to see who comes knocking. MH has met Shaquiri and had firm signals that he sees himself better than us and has no desire to play for Stoke, which IMO MH would not take kindly to. So the club have moved on and would only re-open discussion if Shaquiri's agent came knocking with a change of heart. My guess is the club are constantly reviewing their options and as time slips away before the season starts, they will lower their sights and give deadlines to the likes of Yarmolenko. But there is no need to panic yet, and if the worse comes to the worst and we are not able to sign anyone (at a sensible price*), then there is still the option of loaning, which I assume the club is also working on.
We may have a slightly weaker 1st choice XI at this moment on paper, but we should remember that football is a team game and results depend on the performances of the team not individuals. In 69-70 Stoke were as good as ManU who had Best, Law/Kidd, Charlton, Stiles, Crerand, Morgan, Burns, Sadler, Ure, Fitzpatrick, Aston,and Stepney (just to name 13!). Some of those names may not mean a lot to younger readers, but they were all outstandingly talented individuals who made a very average team. What I'm saying is the loss of N'Zonzi, who was definitely our player of last season, and Moses is not the massive body blow some people are making it to be, the team will soon be playing just as well without them.
(* I'm confident PC would put up the money for a marquee signing, but will draw the line at paying a ridiculous fee - there have been so many flops in recent years in the Prem. - or busting open the wage structure and upsetting the squad.)
Just my opinion - I'm definitely not ITK!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2015 10:32:09 GMT
Overall, that is much more positive surely.
But he says he'll give it until August - but is that 11:59 on 31st or 00:01 on the 1st?
Also we obviously have to tread a difficult line between waiting for a positive answer (once again - plus appearing to be 100% committed) & getting onto other targets.
This is a poker game.
But we do have a family running the club with something of a decent track record for the odd gamble, eh?
Yeah and I guess the additional element in that analogy, is that he has been very vocal about wanting to ensure that Kyiv get a decent fee for him. So he will be very aware that if (say) Shaqiri or another target give us the nod, then at that very moment Kyvi's chance of getting what they want for him might disappear in a shot. We definitely hold some of the cards.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jul 24, 2015 10:36:21 GMT
I don't want him if he's gonna cost a Yarm and a leg...
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 24, 2015 10:43:02 GMT
It's happening. Definitely maybe. Some might say! Fu*k it! Lets roll with it!
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Post by kerouac on Jul 24, 2015 10:45:41 GMT
I don't think there's any yarm in trying to get him onboard though.
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Post by jamerg on Jul 24, 2015 10:58:03 GMT
Fu*k it! Lets roll with it! That's fine providing, if it doesn't work out, we don't look back in anger.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 24, 2015 11:05:56 GMT
Fu*k it! Lets roll with it! That's fine providing, if it doesn't work out, we don't look back in anger. Soooooo Andriy can wait, he knows it's too late as we're playing on Sky.
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Post by kerouac on Jul 24, 2015 11:08:07 GMT
Fu*k it! Lets roll with it! That's fine providing, if it doesn't work out, we don't look back in anger. If he does accept the deal,I think it'll be with a fair degree of acquiesce.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 24, 2015 11:23:39 GMT
Overall, that is much more positive surely.
But he says he'll give it until August - but is that 11:59 on 31st or 00:01 on the 1st?
Also we obviously have to tread a difficult line between waiting for a positive answer (once again - plus appearing to be 100% committed) & getting onto other targets.
This is a poker game.
But we do have a family running the club with something of a decent track record for the odd gamble, eh?
Yeah and I guess the additional element in that analogy, is that he has been very vocal about wanting to ensure that Kyiv get a decent fee for him. So he will be very aware that if (say) Shaqiri or another target give us the nod, then at that very moment Kyvi's chance of getting what they want for him might disappear in a shot. We definitely hold some of the cards. That's a decent shout for me. He either holds and risks losing completely as Shaqiri signs, or his loyalty for the club forces his hand and he signs so the club get he fee. Sounds like a win win to me
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Post by spartanstokie on Jul 24, 2015 11:26:37 GMT
Yeah and I guess the additional element in that analogy, is that he has been very vocal about wanting to ensure that Kyiv get a decent fee for him. So he will be very aware that if (say) Shaqiri or another target give us the nod, then at that very moment Kyvi's chance of getting what they want for him might disappear in a shot. We definitely hold some of the cards. That's a decent shout for me. He either holds and risks losing completely as Shaqiri signs, or his loyalty for the club forces his hand and he signs so the club get he fee. Sounds like a win win to me Are we still thinking Shaquiri is a possibility then ?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 24, 2015 11:26:41 GMT
Yeah and I guess the additional element in that analogy, is that he has been very vocal about wanting to ensure that Kyiv get a decent fee for him. So he will be very aware that if (say) Shaqiri or another target give us the nod, then at that very moment Kyvi's chance of getting what they want for him might disappear in a shot. We definitely hold some of the cards. That's a decent shout for me. He either holds and risks losing completely as Shaqiri signs, or his loyalty for the club forces his hand and he signs so the club get he fee. Sounds like a win win to me This theory falls down because Shaqiri is not coming!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2015 11:40:02 GMT
That's a decent shout for me. He either holds and risks losing completely as Shaqiri signs, or his loyalty for the club forces his hand and he signs so the club get he fee. Sounds like a win win to me This theory falls down because Shaqiri is not coming! It doesn't have to be Shaqiri though, it could be any player, Shaqiri is just an example to give the theory context. If he's adamant he wants to ensure that Kiev get top dollar for him, then I think the theory stands up.
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Post by Gifton on Jul 24, 2015 12:47:14 GMT
That's fine providing, if it doesn't work out, we don't look back in anger. If he does accept the deal,I think it'll be with a fair degree of acquiesce. Whatever
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 24, 2015 12:56:06 GMT
If he does accept the deal,I think it'll be with a fair degree of acquiesce. Whatever Yarmo better be quick about it we're not going to live forever
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