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Post by StokeAz on Jul 20, 2015 10:38:10 GMT
I know but that isn't What he wrote and he couldn't get in the Chelsea, arsenal, man City team anyway as well as man utd maybe I've no idea how good he is, I've hardly seen him play but I do think Right wing players is a problem position for a lot of teams. The only player in your list that plays right wing is Willian and I don't think he's anything special. Man city have got Navas who's not really lit up the premier league. Liverpool have Markovic. Arsenal even played Ramsey right wing quite a lot last year. Can't even think who was Utd's regular right wing ? Valencia was wing back wasn't he ? sterling does, di Maria can and sanchez can and sometimes does...
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 20, 2015 10:42:11 GMT
Someone seems rather pleased that we've failed to bring in our intended targets Yep definitely, I'm over the moon... Why don't you just stop being an asshole, no one thinks any better of you for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 10:43:27 GMT
It's not a case of being critical or over ambitious. It is the case that we if anything have over achieved in the last two seasons and while I would love to see this fabled push for Europa, I still think we need a couple of high quality players to consolidate what we have gained.
There is no doubt that our stock in the world of "Good Teams" has risen, however I would suggest that we are not as well thought of in Europe as we would like to think, with our reputation being a lot more solid in England.
In short you can not just jump from a Mondeo to a Rolls Royce you need to build the garage first, brick by brick, player by player.
I feel we are trying to jump one step too high with the players we are chasing and in so doing we are damaging our reputation by making it very public. Go ahead and keep trying for this level of player I would be disappointed if we didn't but do we have to make ourselves look so desperate in the press?
BTW I'm chasing Kylie Minogue she won't come to Blurton but Miley Cyrus knows I'm chasing so she might come.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 20, 2015 10:47:08 GMT
I'd settle for Aaron Lennon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 10:50:43 GMT
I'd settle for Aaron Lennon Christ, 'settle' is the right word. That would be a very disappointing signing at this point... Carrillo is who I'm hoping we end up on, he is a very under-rated player
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 20, 2015 10:52:24 GMT
The suggestions that he would be bench warming at most CL clubs are ludicrous tbh. Apart from Barca, Real, Bayern and the 4 English clubs, he would be a sure starter in ANY other team. Any teams from France, Italy or Portugal for sure. The others in Spain and Germany as well. I can quite easily see many teams coming in for him at that price and expect him at a Porto or PSG or perhaps Monaco. None of the 4 english clubs have a better player than Yarmo. He would walk into every team in the league! That is why I said "sure" starter. I am certain he would be a probable starter for almost every CL club there is. I would say arguably he would be a definite backup for Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester City. Probably Arsenal with the options they have at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 10:56:01 GMT
It's not a case of being critical or over ambitious. It is the case that we if anything have over achieved in the last two seasons and while I would love to see this fabled push for Europa, I still think we need a couple of high quality players to consolidate what we have gained. There is no doubt that our stock in the world of "Good Teams" has risen, however I would suggest that we are not as well thought of in Europe as we would like to think, with our reputation being a lot more solid in England. In short you can not just jump from a Mondeo to a Rolls Royce you need to build the garage first, brick by brick, player by player. I feel we are trying to jump one step too high with the players we are chasing and in so doing we are damaging our reputation by making it very public. Go ahead and keep trying for this level of player I would be disappointed if we didn't but do we have to make ourselves look so desperate in the press? BTW I'm chasing Kylie Minogue she won't come to Blurton but Miley Cyrus knows I'm chasing so she might come. You're probably right about the quality of player we're chasing possibly being a bit above our level. No harm in doing that, providing there's a decent plan B in the remaining time. Where I'd disagree is about the effect this is having on our reputation. To most of these players, I doubt they even knew we existed. Now, we're getting our name linked with big players (comparatively). Whether you think we're establishing a reputation for failure or a reputation as one of the team's linked with big names is down to each individual's viewpoint. I don't think we're doing our reputation any harm, and hopefully if we can get one of these type of players to sign, the upside could be enormous.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 20, 2015 11:00:51 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 20, 2015 11:01:46 GMT
I'd settle for Aaron Lennon I wouldn't be disappointed with Lennon at all, but I hate to know we will be shafted by Levy again!
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 20, 2015 11:03:49 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 20, 2015 11:05:10 GMT
We just need that 'Alan Hudson' signature, then others will follow but, hopefully, not the roof blowing off! PC is a seventies Stokie. To me it is obvious he is trying to create that sort of team again. Unfortunately it seems player these days don't want to buy into a project.
Saying that, the money we spent on Shilton and Hudson would put us at the shit's spending levels.
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Post by cymap on Jul 20, 2015 11:06:39 GMT
The gist of that seems to be That whether he stays or goes dynamo are the club who pays him at the moment and hes doing his best and being professional.
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Post by cheeseandbeans on Jul 20, 2015 11:15:38 GMT
We are being linked with or singing many of my signings off the Fifa games which, given the nature of that series for impossible signings, is pretty special
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Post by baystokie on Jul 20, 2015 11:16:22 GMT
You have to question our negotiation strategy . You have to ask if the player 'might' be interested first . If he says he wants champions league football , then there is no point , unless we are prepared to double his wages. Three times now we have had the same response . Three times it has been no . Three times we have made ourselves look stupid . Time to learn from our mistakes . Simple. I thought we had to agree the fee first with the club then we are given permission to talk to the player. Won't 'asking the player if he's interested first' could be interpreted as 'tapping up'. We're always banging on about how our club are honest and do things by the book
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Post by Northy on Jul 20, 2015 11:18:56 GMT
You have to question our negotiation strategy . You have to ask if the player 'might' be interested first . If he says he wants champions league football , then there is no point , unless we are prepared to double his wages. Three times now we have had the same response . Three times it has been no . Three times we have made ourselves look stupid . Time to learn from our mistakes . Simple. I thought we had to agree the fee first with the club then we are given permission to talk to the player. Won't 'asking the player if he's interested first' could be interpreted as 'tapping up'. We're always banging on about how our club are honest and do things by the book
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Jul 20, 2015 11:21:01 GMT
It isn't happening. And it's not even page 100 yet!
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Jul 20, 2015 11:33:39 GMT
This will not happen move on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 11:38:54 GMT
More chances of Jennifee Taylor-Clarke going out for a drink with me ... So that's
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 20, 2015 11:44:53 GMT
It's not a case of being critical or over ambitious. It is the case that we if anything have over achieved in the last two seasons and while I would love to see this fabled push for Europa, I still think we need a couple of high quality players to consolidate what we have gained. There is no doubt that our stock in the world of "Good Teams" has risen, however I would suggest that we are not as well thought of in Europe as we would like to think, with our reputation being a lot more solid in England. In short you can not just jump from a Mondeo to a Rolls Royce you need to build the garage first, brick by brick, player by player. I feel we are trying to jump one step too high with the players we are chasing and in so doing we are damaging our reputation by making it very public. Go ahead and keep trying for this level of player I would be disappointed if we didn't but do we have to make ourselves look so desperate in the press?BTW I'm chasing Kylie Minogue she won't come to Blurton but Miley Cyrus knows I'm chasing so she might come. I think the club are right to aim high and hope they continue to try. I see little merit in spending £8-10m on a run of the mill player, or spending a lot more on an older player who's only interested in one last big pay day. I'd sooner we invest that sort of money in young talent and pick up mature players at low cost. We need to spend big on someone who is really going to make a difference in the long term, or who we can sell on to recoup. The only down sides to Stoke's ambition are the time it takes and our disappointment when it doesn't come off, but there is little in life that comes easily that is worth having. As for what other people think, the only people who are smirking are other club's fans, who's opinion we don't care about. As for the media, I don't think they aren't the slightest bit interested in Stoke, just "filling inches". Most people respect ambition, apart from those who have none themselves. I concur with the comment above about PC overseeing the club in the manner of the Waddington years, when we relied for a long time on a blend of experience and youngsters, until after 6 years* we started to spend big on the likes of Greenhoff and the success started. *Edit: in the top flight.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 20, 2015 11:52:14 GMT
Stoke chief executive Tony Scholes has confirmed transfer talks continued during the club's Singapore stay - with Andriy Yarmolenko a target. According to Team Talk
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Post by philb on Jul 20, 2015 11:53:13 GMT
I must admit it is getting a bit disconcerting that we keep getting linked with these high(er) profile players and so far we've had 2 out of 3 say no. As some on here have already said maybe we should be bridging the gap between good players (which we have at the club) and very good players and choosing ones more suited to our level etc. We obviously can't even offer them Europa League footie so I can see why this level of player is reluctant to sign for us. You've only got to look at Wet Sham and they have that bargaining chip of European football to offer any potential signings. Don't get me wrong I'd like to see the best calibre of player as possible playing for the mighty Potters, but is it really a case of us trying to run before we can walk?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 11:53:22 GMT
Stoke chief executive Tony Scholes has confirmed transfer talks continued during the club's Singapore stay - with Andriy Yarmolenko a target. According to Team Talk Less talking more action is..and that's .. Management style
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 20, 2015 11:55:34 GMT
Seville sports paper claiming we offered Kono €5m-a-year net
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Post by michelle1863 on Jul 20, 2015 11:59:47 GMT
Seville sports paper claiming we offered Kono €5m-a-year net How much is that sterling per week?? Sounds a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 12:01:34 GMT
Seville sports paper claiming we offered Kono €5m-a-year net How much is that sterling per week?? Sounds a lot! About £67k/week
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 20, 2015 12:01:49 GMT
Sounds like about £100k a week gross which if what we heard was correct makes that report sound about right.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 20, 2015 12:03:48 GMT
Not bad, I'd quite like 67k a week myself!
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Post by estima on Jul 20, 2015 12:09:52 GMT
I must admit it is getting a bit disconcerting that we keep getting linked with these high(er) profile players and so far we've had 2 out of 3 say no. As some on here have already said maybe we should be bridging the gap between good players (which we have at the club) and very good players and choosing ones more suited to our level etc. We obviously can't even offer them Europa League footie so I can see why this level of player is reluctant to sign for us. You've only got to look at Wet Sham and they have that bargaining chip of European football to offer any potential signings. Don't get me wrong I'd like to see the best calibre of player as possible playing for the mighty Potters, but is it really a case of us trying to run before we can walk? But what are the club actually saying? Has the board, PC or Mark Hughes or anyone from the club come out and said, "we're trying to buy big name players and make a push for Europe"? It seems to me that the club are trying to go about their business, quietly and discreetly, professionally and with the best interests of the club at heart. It's the rumour mill, the press, agents (especially) who are whipping these things up, and yes, us on here with our ITK's and rumours. So much so that eventually, Hughes or the club has to confirm a rumour or two or comment in some way. If you read The Secret Footballer, you get an idea just how much agents can broker deals by starting off rumours and such like. I want the best players at our club. I believe the board and MH want the best for our club. So whilst it might be a little disconcerting to get linked with big names, perhaps we should give a bit of credit for the way MH is going about his business.
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Post by michelle1863 on Jul 20, 2015 12:12:26 GMT
Not bad, I'd quite like 67k a week myself! I would be happy with that each month' never mind each week!!!
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 20, 2015 12:13:23 GMT
I must admit it is getting a bit disconcerting that we keep getting linked with these high(er) profile players and so far we've had 2 out of 3 say no. As some on here have already said maybe we should be bridging the gap between good players (which we have at the club) and very good players and choosing ones more suited to our level etc. We obviously can't even offer them Europa League footie so I can see why this level of player is reluctant to sign for us. You've only got to look at Wet Sham and they have that bargaining chip of European football to offer any potential signings. Don't get me wrong I'd like to see the best calibre of player as possible playing for the mighty Potters, but is it really a case of us trying to run before we can walk? But what are the club actually saying? Has the board, PC or Mark Hughes or anyone from the club come out and said, "we're trying to buy big name players and make a push for Europe"? It seems to me that the club are trying to go about their business, quietly and discreetly, professionally and with the best interests of the club at heart. It's the rumour mill, the press, agents (especially) who are whipping these things up, and yes, us on here with our ITK's and rumours. So much so that eventually, Hughes or the club has to confirm a rumour or two or comment in some way. If you read The Secret Footballer, you get an idea just how much agents can broker deals by starting off rumours and such like. I want the best players at our club. I believe the board and MH want the best for our club. So whilst it might be a little disconcerting to get linked with big names, perhaps we should give a bit of credit for the way MH is going about his business. They have actually said that
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