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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 17, 2015 17:44:26 GMT
......and davesview said a few days ago that we are in talks with a great winger
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Post by Gods on Jul 17, 2015 17:47:53 GMT
View AttachmentLooks promising to me if a Ukrainian journalist think he'll move to Stoke You know you are getting old when the journalists look like they are only just out of short trousers!
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 17, 2015 17:52:44 GMT
Have either Hackett or cilla confirmed this yet Hackett is helping out with the Shaqiri medical after being in on David Nugent's contract negotiations before he signed.
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Post by sutekh on Jul 17, 2015 17:58:54 GMT
Have either Hackett or cilla confirmed this yet Hackett is helping out with the Shaqiri medical after being in on David Nugent's contract negotiations before he signed. Has Hackett posted any further info on the impending dean ashton arrival?
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Post by stokie1997 on Jul 17, 2015 18:08:33 GMT
I think the club will go all out for this deal. We can't lose out on 3 wingers!
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Jul 17, 2015 18:11:46 GMT
Have either Hackett or cilla confirmed this yet Fancy a game of soggy biscuit fella?
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 17, 2015 18:17:10 GMT
Dunno why, but I feel this could well be THE ONE. If we get any hint that Yarmolenko may be keen, we will push the boat out in fee and wages and get the player who has been our long-term number one target: transfer record broken, world class player added! PLIBT
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 17, 2015 18:18:03 GMT
I think the club will go all out for this deal. We can't lose out on 3 wingers! I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leaked
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Post by stokie1997 on Jul 17, 2015 18:21:19 GMT
I think the club will go all out for this deal. We can't lose out on 3 wingers! I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leaked Just hope it gets done quickly mate, I think that's been the problem with wrapping up the Kono and shaqiri deals as it gives time for the European clubs to come in. Seriously think Yarmo will be the better option
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Post by miggo on Jul 17, 2015 18:21:57 GMT
I think the club will go all out for this deal. We can't lose out on 3 wingers! I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leaked So we should negotiate to put a confidentially agreement in place before negotiating a contract. Sounds far too complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 18:22:29 GMT
I think the club will go all out for this deal. We can't lose out on 3 wingers! I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leakedSo before SCFC even start to negotiate, they must get the target club to sign a contract guaranteeing confidentiality?
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Post by bmstoke on Jul 17, 2015 18:25:04 GMT
I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leakedSo before SCFC even start to negotiate, they must get the target club to sign a contract guaranteeing confidentiality? That sounds like biscuit logic.
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Post by hcstokey on Jul 17, 2015 18:26:08 GMT
Have either Hackett or cilla confirmed this yet Fancy a game of soggy biscuit fella? any news?
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 17, 2015 18:26:43 GMT
As we have had constant contact with yarmo since the last time we went for him, I very much doubt we would even attempt to bid for him, if we had any doubt he would not be interested in joining us. Yarmo does have a release fee not far above what we have reported to have bid. Think some who say we have worked backward may be right. At first we go Kono as he would cost us only a signing on fee of £10mil, then Shaq at £12mil now yarmo at getting onto £16mill if we need to hit his release fee. Like the club as always done, we will try and do the best deal possible. Kono on paper was the best deal, and so on.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 17, 2015 18:27:33 GMT
The gist of this is the club trying to "stay under the radar" for as long as possible . Very difficult to achieve , a speedy deal IF possible would be better for us. At least we are aiming high
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 17, 2015 18:28:51 GMT
I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leaked So we should negotiate to put a confidentially agreement in place before negotiating a contract. Sounds far too complicated. That is basic business sense. When two firms want to talk to each other and share information they first sign a Non-Disclosure-Agreement. Its pretty obvious we need to ensure only the relevant people are involved. Any leak is obviously from the Ukraine/Yarmolenko team, so we should pull out of the deal if they now want to drag it on for a few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 18:30:30 GMT
So we should negotiate to put a confidentially agreement in place before negotiating a contract. Sounds far too complicated. That is basic business sense. When two firms want to talk to each other and share information they first sign a Non-Disclosure-Agreement. Its pretty obvious we need to ensure only the relevant people are involved. Any leak is obviously from the Ukraine/Yarmolenko team, so we should pull out of the deal if they now want to drag it on for a few weeks. That would be a good route to ensure that we never sign another player.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 17, 2015 18:34:37 GMT
So we should negotiate to put a confidentially agreement in place before negotiating a contract. Sounds far too complicated. That is basic business sense. When two firms want to talk to each other and share information they first sign a Non-Disclosure-Agreement. Its pretty obvious we need to ensure only the relevant people are involved. Any leak is obviously from the Ukraine/Yarmolenko team, so we should pull out of the deal if they now want to drag it on for a few weeks. That sounds right. But isn't the problem, friends, associates and contacts do the leaks? When Bojan was injured, the Spanish press was full of details nobody in England knew? It's practically impossible to enforce 'Non-Disclosure' unless you follow the leaks back to their source and then you will have to prove it in court(I assume?).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 18:34:43 GMT
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Post by steakandchips on Jul 17, 2015 18:38:06 GMT
Did you google 'more realistic targets for Stoke City than Yarmolenko' ??
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Post by sutekh on Jul 17, 2015 18:40:31 GMT
Have either Hackett or cilla confirmed this yet Fancy a game of soggy biscuit fella? Love to mate
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 17, 2015 18:42:11 GMT
I think weve been going ALL out for each of the deals only to be pushed back. The signs are that we have flown to Ukraine to get a deal done but as is always the case it gets leaked as they try to get other offers. We need to put more confidentiality clauses in before these things get leaked Just hope it gets done quickly mate, I think that's been the problem with wrapping up the Kono and shaqiri deals as it gives time for the European clubs to come in. Seriously think Yarmo will be the better option It's been a problem because players who think they can do better than us have no intention on taking part in quick negotiations. Either them, their agent or their current club leak it to attract either bigger offers or offers from bigger clubs (mainly ones with European football). Fortunately, in this case, we can eliminate one of those factors if we trigger the release clause, leaving only themselves/their agent to be the ones to leak it. In that sense, this bid may be more expensive but we would probably have more of a chance (unless there's another dodgy Ukrainian man in the midst). All in all, expect him to sign for Southampton...
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 17, 2015 18:44:17 GMT
As we have had constant contact with yarmo since the last time we went for him, I very much doubt we would even attempt to bid for him, if we had any doubt he would not be interested in joining us. Yarmo does have a release fee not far above what we have reported to have bid. Think some who say we have worked backward may be right. At first we go Kono as he would cost us only a signing on fee of £10mil, then Shaq at £12mil now yarmo at getting onto £16mill if we need to hit his release fee. Like the club as always done, we will try and do the best deal possible. Kono on paper was the best deal, and so on. Was it Yarmolenko who changed agents and we lost our 'inside route'?
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 17, 2015 18:46:48 GMT
As we have had constant contact with yarmo since the last time we went for him, I very much doubt we would even attempt to bid for him, if we had any doubt he would not be interested in joining us. Yarmo does have a release fee not far above what we have reported to have bid. Think some who say we have worked backward may be right. At first we go Kono as he would cost us only a signing on fee of £10mil, then Shaq at £12mil now yarmo at getting onto £16mill if we need to hit his release fee. Like the club as always done, we will try and do the best deal possible. Kono on paper was the best deal, and so on. Was it Yarmolenko who changed agents and we lost our 'inside route'? Yes but we kept in contact ever since, so doubt we would attempt a bid without knowing he would be willing to move. Don't know his exact release clause but it's not far above what we have supposedly bid, which takes Kiev out the equation. He has no third parties so not a Kono situation as far as I am aware
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2015 18:49:38 GMT
Was it Yarmolenko who changed agents and we lost our 'inside route'? Yes but we kept in contact ever since, so doubt we would attempt a bid without knowing he would be willing to move. Don't know his exact release clause but it's not far above what we have supposedly bid, which takes Kiev out the equation. He has no third parties so not a Kono situation as far as I am aware Thing is we made a bid (and had it accepted) for Shaqiri without being sure that he wanted to come.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 17, 2015 18:54:03 GMT
Was it Yarmolenko who changed agents and we lost our 'inside route'? Yes but we kept in contact ever since, so doubt we would attempt a bid without knowing he would be willing to move. Don't know his exact release clause but it's not far above what we have supposedly bid, which takes Kiev out the equation. He has no third parties so not a Kono situation as far as I am aware That's very good to know. Of course, if 'Yarmo' has megabucks from Liverpool or another club dangled in front of him, he might just change his mind(unfortunately) about coming? Wouldn't be the first time a footballer has done this?!
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 17, 2015 19:00:13 GMT
Yes but we kept in contact ever since, so doubt we would attempt a bid without knowing he would be willing to move. Don't know his exact release clause but it's not far above what we have supposedly bid, which takes Kiev out the equation. He has no third parties so not a Kono situation as far as I am aware Thing is we made a bid (and had it accepted) for Shaqiri without being sure that he wanted to come. We had spoke to his agent who have us the impression that he could persuade Shaqiri it would be a good move for him to get his career back in track, a good platform to move back to a champions league side. Unfortunately Shaqiri needed more persuading that thought. So when we did bid we thought we had a chance at least, same with Konoplyanka, who was willing to buy out his 3rd party agreement to move to Stoke, but Kolomoskyi refused to sell his share in the player, so he had to move to a club that allowed 3rd party involvement. Madrid refused to meet the demands of a 40% sell on clause made payable to Kolomoskyi but Seville agreed at the second attempt, making him a possible £13mill fortune if Seville sell for his release fee
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 17, 2015 19:03:44 GMT
Thing is we made a bid (and had it accepted) for Shaqiri without being sure that he wanted to come. We had spoke to his agent who have us the impression that he could persuade Shaqiri it would be a good move for him to get his career back in track, a good platform to move back to a champions league side. Unfortunately Shaqiri needed more persuading that thought. So when we did bid we thought we had a chance at least, same with Konoplyanka, who was willing to buy out his 3rd party agreement to move to Stoke, but Kolomoskyi refused to sell his share in the player, so he had to move to a club that allowed 3rd party involvement. Madrid refused to meet the demands of a 40% sell on clause made payable to Kolomoskyi but Seville agreed at the second attempt, making him a possible £13mill fortune if Seville sell for his release fee What I don't understand is how in a single market of the E.U., England(U.K.) and Spain can have two different rules regarding third party ownership?
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Post by Bombus on Jul 17, 2015 19:07:15 GMT
Dunno why, but I feel this could well be THE ONE. If we get any hint that Yarmolenko may be keen, we will push the boat out in fee and wages and get the player who has been our long-term number one target: transfer record broken, world class player added! PLIBT We share the exact same thoughts then, Jezza. Actually, when thinking about it - Yarmolenko would probably be my first choice over both Shaqiri and Konoplyanka?
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 17, 2015 19:10:22 GMT
And your going backwards by peddling What? I'm saying your back peddling. Where's Shaqiri again?
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