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Post by Maccca100 on Aug 9, 2014 9:49:17 GMT
Be interesting to see if Redmond lines up for Norwich tomorrow
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 9, 2014 10:04:15 GMT
I think it is easy to assume that the whole of Ukraine is a war zone - it isn't. Kiev is quiet and the vast majority of the population of Kiev and Western Ukraine are Westward looking, want to eventually join the EU and are right behind their government. And there certainly doesn't seem to seem to be sufficient opposition to start any conflict in the west. The main thing to be decided is whether Eastern Ukraine around Donetsk breaks away and joins Crimea in annexing itself to Russia. Makes our Scottish independence referendum seem very civilised. That might all be true John but the vast majority of people on this message board wouldn't go there for a holiday at the moment never mind move out there to live. I hope I'm wrong but I think this bit of 'information' pretty much undermines the rest of his post. Paul, I wasn't particularly replying to the post claiming that we had offered players to Kiev. I was just responding to various posts which suggested that the whole of Ukraine was a no go area. Shakhtar Donetsk have actually decided to play in Lviv and train in Kiev this season - presumably that is so things like European fixtures can be fulfilled safely and I would imagine that will be the case.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2014 10:04:57 GMT
I think it is easy to assume that the whole of Ukraine is a war zone - it isn't. Kiev is quiet and the vast majority of the population of Kiev and Western Ukraine are Westward looking, want to eventually join the EU and are right behind their government. And there certainly doesn't seem to seem to be sufficient opposition to start any conflict in the west. The main thing to be decided is whether Eastern Ukraine around Donetsk breaks away and joins Crimea in annexing itself to Russia. Makes our Scottish independence referendum seem very civilised. That might all be true John but the vast majority of people on this message board wouldn't go there for a holiday at the moment never mind move out there to live. I hope I'm wrong but I think this bit of 'information' pretty much undermines the rest of his post. Not saying I've been taken in by this Paul but I don't see any of these points undermining it. He simply says our players were 'offered' as sweetners. Doesn't mean any of them could be forced to move if they didn't want to and it doesn't mean any refusal by them would be fatal to the deal. Just like the fact that Marc says we were negotiating with Redmond last Wednesday doesn't mean we couldn't have been negotiating with Yarmolenko's agents at the same time. I think the fact that he knew the Redmond deal was close actually strengthen his case. It could still be bollocks though
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 9, 2014 10:09:19 GMT
That might all be true John but the vast majority of people on this message board wouldn't go there for a holiday at the moment never mind move out there to live. I hope I'm wrong but I think this bit of 'information' pretty much undermines the rest of his post. Paul, I wasn't particularly replying to the post claiming that we had offered players to Kiev. I was just responding to various posts which suggested that the whole of Ukraine was a no go area. Shakhtar Donetsk have actually decided to play in Lviv and train in Kiev this season - presumably that is so things like European fixtures can be fulfilled safely and I would imagine that will be the case. I think most footballers will regard the whole of the Ukraine AS a no go area, however right or wrong that may be. I guess it's their perception of the situation which is key to the discussion, rather than the reality.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 9, 2014 10:11:35 GMT
That might all be true John but the vast majority of people on this message board wouldn't go there for a holiday at the moment never mind move out there to live. I hope I'm wrong but I think this bit of 'information' pretty much undermines the rest of his post. Not saying I've been taken in by this Paul but I don't see any of these points undermining it. He simply says our players were 'offered' as sweetners. Doesn't mean any of them could be forced to move if they didn't want to and it doesn't mean any refusal by them would be fatal to the deal. Just like the fact that Marc says we were negotiating with Redmond last Wednesday doesn't mean we couldn't have been negotiating with Yarmolenko's agents at the same time. I think the fact that he knew the Redmond deal was close actually strengthen his case. It could still be bollocks though There's no point in 'offering' something if it's not remotely going to be available to be offered though, is there? It doesn't make sense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2014 10:12:01 GMT
News just in, we're looking to do a swap with Gaza United, details as I get them....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 9, 2014 10:15:14 GMT
Paul, I wasn't particularly replying to the post claiming that we had offered players to Kiev. I was just responding to various posts which suggested that the whole of Ukraine was a no go area. Shakhtar Donetsk have actually decided to play in Lviv and train in Kiev this season - presumably that is so things like European fixtures can be fulfilled safely and I would imagine that will be the case. I think most footballers will regard the whole of the Ukraine AS a no go area, however right or wrong that may be. I guess it's their perception of the situation which is key to the discussion, rather than the reality. Again, I wasn't particularly referring to the prospect of our players going to Kiev in part exchange. Someone (when discussing where meetings would take place between our reps and their reps) suggested that airlines would not fly to Kiev - they still do every day - take your pick from about 20 airlines and 50 departure airports.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Aug 9, 2014 10:15:28 GMT
A few things have changed lately. The player has become increasingly interested in the premier league and everything which goes with that. The vast majority of the deal was agreed on Wednesday afternoon with reps from all sides. Stoke will pay good money for this "next level" player. The club want European football here next season. He will earn 40k per week, with add ons, appearance, goals and assist bonus. There is also a hefty signing on fee. Player has no problems with what's being offered. Club must now meet again to sort agent fees and with Kiev to agree payment structures. We have given them a choice of a few players aswell as a sweetner. Player should have a medical in Switzerland on Monday, the club Believe He will be a Stoke Player sooner rather than later. The club expect him, and redmond to arrive and wrap up our business. What has he ordered for his lunch for when he arrives in Switzerland?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2014 10:17:31 GMT
Not saying I've been taken in by this Paul but I don't see any of these points undermining it. He simply says our players were 'offered' as sweetners. Doesn't mean any of them could be forced to move if they didn't want to and it doesn't mean any refusal by them would be fatal to the deal. Just like the fact that Marc says we were negotiating with Redmond last Wednesday doesn't mean we couldn't have been negotiating with Yarmolenko's agents at the same time. I think the fact that he knew the Redmond deal was close actually strengthen his case. It could still be bollocks though There's no point in 'offering' something if it's not remotely going to be available to be offered though, is there? It doesn't make sense. I know what you're saying and you're right, but really they're not actually 'ours' to offer anyway are they? It could have just been a case of 'this is the list of players we'd be prepared to let you have a crack at persuading to live and play in a war zone if you want' rather than offering them individual players.
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Post by neddy on Aug 9, 2014 10:17:59 GMT
I would hope we would be trying to do both deals and as neither is done definitely...........we keep going and may turn one down say if the other goes through?
Why would we not do that ..... Eggs in one basket and all that?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 9, 2014 10:21:43 GMT
There's no point in 'offering' something if it's not remotely going to be available to be offered though, is there? It doesn't make sense. I know what you're saying and you're right, but really they're not actually 'ours' to offer anyway are they? It could have just been a case of 'this is the list of players we'd be prepared to let you have a crack at persuading to live and play in a war zone if you want' rather than offering them individual players. Ha ha - believe me, I so want the story to be true too fella!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 9, 2014 10:22:58 GMT
I would hope we would be trying to do both deals and as neither is done definitely...........we keep going and may turn one down say if the other goes through? Why would we not do that ..... Eggs in one basket and all that? I keep banging on about this but I might as well say it one more time. I don't see a Yarmoleko deal and a deal for Redmond being mutually exclusive. They normally play on opposite sides of the pitch and I would see Redmond as cover for Arnie. We don't really have a wide left footed player who is a clone of Yarmolenko - but Wingie does a decent job in his position and Walters a much less decent job when he plays out wide. The mutually exclusive deals for me would be Redmond and Assaidi. It is one or the other as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 10:29:51 GMT
Ukraine is not much different to Birkenhead ....apart from the tanks of course.
I would imagine Walters is straining at the leash to run about with gay abandon.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2014 10:32:45 GMT
I know what you're saying and you're right, but really they're not actually 'ours' to offer anyway are they? It could have just been a case of 'this is the list of players we'd be prepared to let you have a crack at persuading to live and play in a war zone if you want' rather than offering them individual players. Ha ha - believe me, I so want the story to be true too fella! I know and me. I'm just very sceptical. Stoke haven't seriously chased/signed players of this quality since 1974. I feel like I'm in a time warp. I think it's the fact that as a throw away line at the end of his post he hinted that Redmond was close to signing gives him a bit of credence. Unless I've missed it, this is the first I've seen of any deal with him, other than the generic 'Redmond' thread we've had running all summer. Now the slp boys are all over it confirming it's 'close' as if it's been common knowledge. Perhaps it's that time warp again and I've missed a whole week's Oatcake.
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Post by Jimm on Aug 9, 2014 10:44:23 GMT
How come no-one picked up on the fact he's injured and struggling to walk at the minute?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 9, 2014 10:46:30 GMT
How come no-one picked up on the fact he's injured and struggling to walk at the minute? Who?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 10:47:31 GMT
How come no-one picked up on the fact he's injured and struggling to walk at the minute? Stoke drafted in a Russian Army medic to keep the costs down....if you can carry a Kalashnikov , then you've passed.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 9, 2014 10:47:46 GMT
We mustn't have twitter?
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Post by Jimm on Aug 9, 2014 10:48:10 GMT
How come no-one picked up on the fact he's injured and struggling to walk at the minute? Who? Yarmolenko. He's a few weeks away from fitness? Would he pass a medical with groin concussion and rectus muscle damage
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2014 10:48:31 GMT
How come no-one picked up on the fact he's injured and struggling to walk at the minute? Who, Yarmolenko? Perhaps we stand a chance of getting him after all then
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2014 10:50:02 GMT
Yarmolenko. He's a few weeks away from fitness? Would he pass a medical with groin concussion and rectus muscle damage What on earth is 'groin concussion'?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 9, 2014 10:50:22 GMT
He's better than shevchenko, He's andriy yarmolenko, Na na na na hey Na na na na hey
Coat on, zipped up, am gone
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Post by Jimm on Aug 9, 2014 10:52:34 GMT
Yarmolenko. He's a few weeks away from fitness? Would he pass a medical with groin concussion and rectus muscle damage What on earth is 'groin concussion'? Contusion
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 10:53:16 GMT
Yarmolenko. He's a few weeks away from fitness? Would he pass a medical with groin concussion and rectus muscle damage What on earth is 'groin concussion'? It's a severe thruxxing of the groin muscles....many Ballet dancers have had to end their careers as a result.
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Post by trigger on Aug 9, 2014 10:53:23 GMT
Yarmolenko. He's a few weeks away from fitness? Would he pass a medical with groin concussion and rectus muscle damage What on earth is 'groin concussion'? Excessive masturbating?
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Post by neddy on Aug 9, 2014 10:53:24 GMT
Oh no is he injured? As you say how come no one picked up on that......any links?
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 9, 2014 10:53:53 GMT
Ha ha - believe me, I so want the story to be true too fella! I know and me. I'm just very sceptical. Stoke haven't seriously chased/signed players of this quality since 1974. I feel like I'm in a time warp. I think it's the fact that as a throw away line at the end of his post he hinted that Redmond was close to signing gives him a bit of credence. Unless I've missed it, this is the first I've seen of any deal with him, other than the generic 'Redmond' thread we've had running all summer. Now the slp boys are all over it confirming it's 'close' as if it's been common knowledge. Perhaps it's that time warp again and I've missed a whole week's Oatcake. Slplee posted Wednesday night/ Thursday that Redmonds agents had been in talks at the club Wednesday afternoon.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 9, 2014 10:54:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 10:55:32 GMT
At this rate our reserve team could beat West brom 6-0 away.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2014 10:55:53 GMT
What on earth is 'groin concussion'? Contusion I remember feeling like I'd got groin concussion on a Sunday morning after I'd been up The Place the night before. Some of those 'ladies' were rough. In every sense of the word.
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