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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2014 18:48:48 GMT
I think there were a number of occasions when Pulis locked horns with supporters ('herberts') over their audacity to question his judgment. It became personal and he definitely compromised the team's potential on occasion to prove a point. Hoefkens, Diao, Griffin, Shotton, Walters have all been omitted/included to this end. Listen, I'm extremely grateful to TP for providing the platform upon which we're building now but let's not pretend he didn't have some glaring character flaws which impacted on many levels and, ultimately, cost him his job... My problem is you state it as if its fact that he chose those players to make his points. I don't think he did, you do. There's one person who knows the truth. As far as I'm concerned I find it hard to believe that person would have been so successful if that was how he chose teams.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 27, 2014 18:52:39 GMT
Christ is he that old.I can remember watching him playing in a pre season at Alsager,as a 19 year old. I can't believe it was 6 years ago.I took particular notice of him as he was seeing a local girl at the time,and come to think of it he was pretty average back then.I was surprised he made the grade to be honest as he didn't really stand out all.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 27, 2014 18:54:31 GMT
Christ is he that old.I can remember watching him playing in a pre season at Alsager,as a 19 year old. I can't believe it was 6 years ago.I took particular notice of him as he was seeing a local girl at the time,and come to think of it he was pretty average back then.I was surprised he made the grade to be honest as he didn't really stand out all. Yes but he could throw it miles mate
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Post by robchicken on Jul 27, 2014 18:59:35 GMT
Awful awful player, head in clouds, always looks like he's thinking about something else when the ball comes to him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 19:11:09 GMT
Got to go!!!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jul 27, 2014 19:17:55 GMT
I thought he was developing into a fairly good right back a few years ago.
Maybe if we had stuck with him and let him mature as a prem player, we might not have needed to buy 2 players to play right back in recent years.
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 27, 2014 19:26:01 GMT
I think there were a number of occasions when Pulis locked horns with supporters ('herberts') over their audacity to question his judgment. It became personal and he definitely compromised the team's potential on occasion to prove a point. Hoefkens, Diao, Griffin, Shotton, Walters have all been omitted/included to this end. Listen, I'm extremely grateful to TP for providing the platform upon which we're building now but let's not pretend he didn't have some glaring character flaws which impacted on many levels and, ultimately, cost him his job... My problem is you state it as if its fact that he chose those players to make his points. I don't think he did, you do. There's one person who knows the truth. As far as I'm concerned I find it hard to believe that person would have been so successful if that was how he chose teams. Foxy, we'll have to agree to disagree for now. Perhaps we can revisit this thread in a couple of seasons time once the Holmesdale faithful have had time to evaluate progress. Here's to 2014/15 and our next chapter...
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2014 19:32:01 GMT
My problem is you state it as if its fact that he chose those players to make his points. I don't think he did, you do. There's one person who knows the truth. As far as I'm concerned I find it hard to believe that person would have been so successful if that was how he chose teams. Foxy, we'll have to agree to disagree for now. Perhaps we can revisit this thread in a couple of seasons time once the Holmesdale faithful have had time to evaluate progress. Here's to 2014/15 and our next chapter... Cool. Here's to the new season.
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Post by cmc89 on Jul 27, 2014 20:02:26 GMT
People are funny aren't they?
I thought the reason shotton was played out wide right etc... was because we needed a certain number of appearances by academy players to get our grade 1 status. It wasn't a pulis agenda at all.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 27, 2014 20:23:05 GMT
Shotton is a poor mans Wilko and Wilko is crap. The only reason people don't like to slag them off as much as others is because they are local, time to get rid as soon as possible, especially now Wilko can;t get through games without coming off injured
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 20:25:48 GMT
People are funny aren't they? I thought the reason shotton was played out wide right etc... was because we needed a certain number of appearances by academy players to get our grade 1 status. It wasn't a pulis agenda at all. Why would any one play him wide right to gain academy 1 status, if he had to play for that reason which seems dubious he should have played right back, he is possibly the worst player to have played on the wing in the history of the PL, he has been a very lucky boy to have played in the PL at all, very limited player will probably end up with Dicko at the Fail if they can afford 20k a week, Pulis once likened him to Gareth Bale to me that speaks volumes about our previous manager and his ability to spot potential in a player.
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Post by cmc89 on Jul 27, 2014 20:29:07 GMT
People are funny aren't they? I thought the reason shotton was played out wide right etc... was because we needed a certain number of appearances by academy players to get our grade 1 status. It wasn't a pulis agenda at all. Why would any one play him wide right to gain academy 1 status, if he had to play for that reason which seems dubious he should have played right back, he is possibly the worst player to have played on the wing in the history of the PL, he has been a very lucky boy to have played in the PL at all, very limited player will probably end up with Dicko at the Fail if they can afford 20k a week, Pulis once likened him to Gareth Bale to me that speaks volumes about our previous manager and his ability to spot potential in a player. He was playing shotton in front of wilko though wasn't he? Which is 2 academy players for our academy status.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 20:29:42 GMT
Shotton is a poor mans Wilko and Wilko is crap. The only reason people don't like to slag them off as much as others is because they are local, time to get rid as soon as possible, especially now Wilko can;t get through games without coming off injured Wilko is a proper pro, granted he is now injury prone cut him some slack he has given his all for the club, he has limited ability but leaves it all on the pitch whether he plays well or poorly, on the other hand Shotton looks and plays like he doesn't give a fuck time to get rid no matter where he hails from.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 20:32:31 GMT
Why would any one play him wide right to gain academy 1 status, if he had to play for that reason which seems dubious he should have played right back, he is possibly the worst player to have played on the wing in the history of the PL, he has been a very lucky boy to have played in the PL at all, very limited player will probably end up with Dicko at the Fail if they can afford 20k a week, Pulis once likened him to Gareth Bale to me that speaks volumes about our previous manager and his ability to spot potential in a player. He was playing shotton in front of wilko though wasn't he? Which is 2 academy players for our academy status.
True but let's be honest Wilko would have done a better job on the wing than Shotton, next Gareth Bale WTF
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 27, 2014 20:38:35 GMT
Shotton is a poor mans Wilko and Wilko is crap. The only reason people don't like to slag them off as much as others is because they are local, time to get rid as soon as possible, especially now Wilko can;t get through games without coming off injured Wilko is a proper pro, granted he is now injury prone cut him some slack he has given his all for the club, he has limited ability but leaves it all on the pitch whether he plays well or poorly, on the other hand Shotton looks and plays like he doesn't give a fuck time to get rid no matter where he hails from. Wilko not only leaves it on the pitch but other players too. A defender that can't tackle, not very useful is it? He served a purpose when we got promoted but now we should have gotten rid of these two a couple of years ago
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Post by prettything on Jul 27, 2014 20:44:38 GMT
We played Shotton on the wing because we didn't have a fit right sided winger at the time.
Poor guy took one for the team and had a reasonable first two or three games for us, grabbing a couple of assists in the process. Always thought he was a good right back, and could do a job for us.But what do I know?
Good buy for a promoted team and still fairly young.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 20:47:22 GMT
Wilko is a proper pro, granted he is now injury prone cut him some slack he has given his all for the club, he has limited ability but leaves it all on the pitch whether he plays well or poorly, on the other hand Shotton looks and plays like he doesn't give a fuck time to get rid no matter where he hails from. Wilko not only leaves it on the pitch but other players too. A defender that can't tackle, not very useful is it? He served a purpose when we got promoted but now we should have gotten rid of these two a couple of years ago
He can tackle in the true English style of the game , always gives his all , Wilko is a bit of a throw back in terms of his commitment, a proper stopper if you know what I mean, arguably a better defender than Cameron at right back, certainly better than Shotton, no flash stuff (using the outside of his boot whenever he can shit ala GC), Bardsley will better than all three in my opinion, maybe time to move two of them on MH will make that decision soon I expect.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 27, 2014 20:50:14 GMT
Wilko not only leaves it on the pitch but other players too. A defender that can't tackle, not very useful is it? He served a purpose when we got promoted but now we should have gotten rid of these two a couple of years ago
He can tackle in the true English style of the game , always gives his all , Wilko is a bit of a throw back in terms of his commitment, a proper stopper if you know what I mean, arguably a better defender than Cameron at right back, certainly better than Shotton, no flash stuff (using the outside of his boot whenever he can shit ala GC), Bardsley will better than all three in my opinion, maybe time to move two of them on MH will make that decision soon I expect. Wilko is not a patch on Cameron. If Wilko was a yank, he wouldn't be any near the US squad. I know it's pre season and all that but most attacks against us have come down the Shotton Wilko side. Bardsley, I am not convinced by. I don;t think Geoff deserved to be dropped come the Villa game
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 20:52:51 GMT
We played Shotton on the wing because we didn't have a fit right sided winger at the time. Poor guy took one for the team and had a reasonable first two or three games for us, grabbing a couple of assists in the process. Always thought he was a good right back, and could do a job for us.But what do I know? Good buy for a promoted team and still fairly young. I thought Pulis played Shotton out wide when we had Pennant and Jon Boy to choose from but what do I know ?, let's see who comes calling for him before the window close's the next Gareth Bale perhaps his mentor will back these words with his clubs cash, then again maybe he was talking shit to justify his inclusion we will see.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 21:00:13 GMT
He can tackle in the true English style of the game , always gives his all , Wilko is a bit of a throw back in terms of his commitment, a proper stopper if you know what I mean, arguably a better defender than Cameron at right back, certainly better than Shotton, no flash stuff (using the outside of his boot whenever he can shit ala GC), Bardsley will better than all three in my opinion, maybe time to move two of them on MH will make that decision soon I expect. Wilko is not a patch on Cameron. If Wilko was a yank, he wouldn't be any near the US squad. I know it's pre season and all that but most attacks against us have come down the Shotton Wilko side. Bardsley, I am not convinced by. I don;t think Geoff deserved to be dropped come the Villa game And what position does Cameron play in US team, looked ok at CH not convinced he can perform solidly for a full season as a full back, Bardsley is a proper full on committed full back suited to the English game, at the end of the day the manager will decide who fills that position in the way that best suits the requirements of our league, I for one would not be surprised if Cameron finds himself on the bench at the start of the season.
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Post by prettything on Jul 27, 2014 21:01:01 GMT
Pennant had been disciplined for breaking curfew, I believe , and Walters was playing up front for us during the European campaign season, so Shotton filled in on the wing.
Limited on the wing, but contributed to a couple of vital wins.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 21:15:02 GMT
Pennant had been disciplined for breaking curfew, I believe , and Walters was playing up front for us during the European campaign season, so Shotton filled in on the wing. Limited on the wing, but contributed to a couple of vital wins.
Whatever Pennant had done he was without doubt a better option than Shotton on the wing, lets be honest he was at that time on another level than Shotton, down to man management by the former manager to the detriment of the club and Shotton.
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Post by prettything on Jul 27, 2014 21:18:29 GMT
No it wasn't, it was about disciplining a player who clearly broken the rules laid out by the football club, simple as that.
Pulis had no choice in that respect.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 27, 2014 21:23:28 GMT
For some supporters, I don't think Shotton will ever recover from:
1) Being played on the wing ahead of Pennant. I felt sorry for him to be honest, he was trying his hardest but he clearly isn't any kind of a right winger. He has that mentality you see in players playing for non league teams against big teams in the FA Cup, where they just get the ball and run forwards as fast as they can with their head down.
2) When he's on a night out at Hanley, he doesn't drop what he's doing to pretend that he's some random bloke's best mate every five minute. THis is probably the most pathetic reason.
3) Falling over to give away a goal at home to Arsenal. This one felt like a bit of a turning point with the support, where a lot of people turned on him very quickly.
4) The perception of him as a Pulis favourite. See also Jon Walters.
It's a shame, because along with Wilko, he's the only product of our academy to be remotely close to Premier League standard in his strongest position. However, some of our supporters are desperate to run both of them down because they're local lads. I just cannot get that mentality at all.
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Post by owdestokie on Jul 27, 2014 21:26:10 GMT
Not withstanding him playing wide right which was obviously not his strength what is his natural position because at Premiership level it's certainly not full back either.
He will earn a living out of football, at what level and position I'm not sure
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 21:36:52 GMT
No it wasn't, it was about disciplining a player who clearly broken the rules laid out by the football club, simple as that. Pulis had no choice in that respect.
I raise you a Ricky Fuller , Pulis made his choice on that one. (He slapped his captain up the face he scores our goals and he's fucking ace RF Stoke city's number 10)
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Post by kmp on Jul 27, 2014 21:43:49 GMT
Good Championship quality player but we need better on the bench if we want to be a consistent top 10 team. Wouldn't be a bad option for a newly promoted team.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 21:47:01 GMT
Not withstanding him playing wide right which was obviously not his strength what is his natural position because at Premiership level it's certainly not full back either. He will earn a living out of football, at what level and position I'm not sure He started out at the academy as a CH, moved to striker mainly due to physical attributes , scored loads of goals, never figured as a full back or winger very lucky boy to be earning 20k a week as PL footballer ask Pulis what he saw in him , the next Gareth Bale really thanks Tony there's the door.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2014 21:49:45 GMT
Good Championship quality player but we need better on the bench if we want to be a consistent top 10 team. Wouldn't be a bad option for a newly promoted team. Ask Wigan supporters about his quality in the Championship, they actually experienced it.
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Post by prettything on Jul 27, 2014 21:55:36 GMT
No it wasn't, it was about disciplining a player who clearly broken the rules laid out by the football club, simple as that. Pulis had no choice in that respect.
I raise you a Ricky Fuller , Pulis made his choice on that one. (He slapped his captain up the face he scores our goals and he's fucking ace RF Stoke city's number 10)
That incident was out of passion when a team mate lost the game, not blatant disregard of the clubs rules
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