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Post by Davef on Jul 27, 2014 8:57:38 GMT
You can't compare the two. David Silva is World Class. You obviously missed the point there. Massively.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 27, 2014 8:59:30 GMT
I can't think of a better way to organise an UNSUCCESSFUL training camp in a foreign country than to take 24 or so players away and then, in the first two friendlies, give only 11 - 15 of them most of the game time. Surely the whole point of taking the squad (not just the first team) away is to: 1. Get everyone fit after their break 2. Assess the fitness and form of all of them 3. Keep them all motivated 4. Assess who might be ready to break into the first team squad and who, of the first team squad, is not cutting the mustard.I expect that the final game of the tour will see those closest to the first team getting an hour or so of game time which should mean that the team will look better balanced than it has done in the first two games. I'm glad it is Mark Hughes and his team who are organising this training camp and not some people on this board. Did I say play only 11 to 15. Players aren't stupid. Fringe players which Shotton, Wilko, ness, Shea are not even that should get 30 mins tops I don't agree - not for the first two games. All the squad need to be fit and all the squad need to be motivated. That means early on in the tour giving everyone the chance to show what they can (and can't) do. The next game you'll see something like a competitive team with the starters getting 60 minutes or so and the fringe players getting up to 30 minutes - with some getting no time on the pitch at all. As I said, I'm glad it is Mark Hughes organising this tour because I think he probably knows what he is doing more than most of us. It is quite clear from the tour so far that he is working to a plan and I suspect he won't just have come up with it on the back of an envelope - he'll be following what, to him, is a tried and trusted method.
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 27, 2014 9:03:32 GMT
You can't compare the two. David Silva is World Class. You obviously missed the point there. Massively. Nope I understand perfectly that physically David Silva isn't made for the PL. He also does go missing on occasions due to the fact I believe the game passes him by.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 27, 2014 9:06:20 GMT
Having thought about it a bit more, and based on only the first 35 mins before the stream went down, it looked like we were knocking it around well. But some passes were overweighted and some ball control was not up to standard. From what I could see the pitch was akin to a ploughed field and a strong blustery wind didn't help. At the risk of sounding like a Gooner (I'd shoot myself first) we were trying to play it on the deck on a pitch like a corrugated roof in a gale. Play the same game in a proper stadium on a decent pitch and I think we would have played better than we did.
That's not to say the whole thing was down to pitch/conditions, it's only the second outing for most and match sharpness etc isn't there yet. Give the new players time to bed in, fitness levels to be achieved and then if it looks disjointed start to worry. At least this is happening on a pre-season tour rather than the first few games of a new season (I hope!)
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 27, 2014 9:19:20 GMT
As I said, I'm glad it is Mark Hughes organising this tour because I think he probably knows what he is doing more than most of us. It is quite clear from the tour so far that he is working to a plan and I suspect he won't just have come up with it on the back of an envelope - he'll be following what, to him, is a tried and trusted method. How long have you been on this bored*? By now you should know every single poster on here knows more than anyone else how to manage a football team, football in general and Stoke City in particular! And as far as I'm aware none have ever failed at premiership management so have an unblemished record at this level. I think an apology is in order.
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Post by Maccca100 on Jul 27, 2014 9:20:05 GMT
Did I say play only 11 to 15. Players aren't stupid. Fringe players which Shotton, Wilko, ness, Shea are not even that should get 30 mins tops I don't agree - not for the first two games. All the squad need to be fit and all the squad need to be motivated. That means early on in the tour giving everyone the chance to show what they can (and can't) do. The next game you'll see something like a competitive team with the starters getting 60 minutes or so and the fringe players getting up to 30 minutes - with some getting no time on the pitch at all. As I said, I'm glad it is Mark Hughes organising this tour because I think he probably knows what he is doing more than most of us. It is quite clear from the tour so far that he is working to a plan and I suspect he won't just have come up with it on the back of an envelope - he'll be following what, to him, is a tried and trusted method. I agree that we have to trust Hughes, and I do absoulelty , just offering my opinion LP. I think you are right and from Tuesday we will see, I hope, the actual first xi . Any ideas when Odemwingie is due back?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 27, 2014 9:29:50 GMT
I don't agree - not for the first two games. All the squad need to be fit and all the squad need to be motivated. That means early on in the tour giving everyone the chance to show what they can (and can't) do. The next game you'll see something like a competitive team with the starters getting 60 minutes or so and the fringe players getting up to 30 minutes - with some getting no time on the pitch at all. As I said, I'm glad it is Mark Hughes organising this tour because I think he probably knows what he is doing more than most of us. It is quite clear from the tour so far that he is working to a plan and I suspect he won't just have come up with it on the back of an envelope - he'll be following what, to him, is a tried and trusted method. I agree that we have to trust Hughes, and I do absoulelty , just offering my opinion LP. I think you are right and from Tuesday we will see, I hope, the actual first xi . Any ideas when Odemwingie is due back? Wingie and Cameron join the group as soon as it gets back from Germany. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually report to Clayton Woods a day or so before the squad gets back just to do a bit of training to blow off the cobwebs.
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Post by siggy on Jul 27, 2014 9:44:16 GMT
How strange that a Port Vale supporter would post such a thing. You must be on a wind-up, funny that considering what's happened to Vale...again! You'll be over the moon with signing Michael Brown, now that's a proper signing. Nothing wrong with Michael Brown at L1 level.. He would probably do a better job in the prem than Whelan does. Bojan is a good player but the premier league will stifle him. Funny you should say that because I was thinking that Port Vale weren't up to League 2 including Brown
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Post by Ayupshag on Jul 27, 2014 9:53:30 GMT
You obviously missed the point there. Massively. Nope I understand perfectly that physically David Silva isn't made for the PL. He also does go missing on occasions due to the fact I believe the game passes him by. You're having a giggle mate. David Silva runs games, if you actually saw him play (not on the tele) you'd see how good he is. It's extremely rare he has a bad game, hence that's why he's Citehs playmaker and PL winner
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 27, 2014 10:22:12 GMT
You obviously missed the point there. Massively. Nope I understand perfectly that physically David Silva isn't made for the PL. He also does go missing on occasions due to the fact I believe the game passes him by. In fairness you are clearly confusing the Premier League requirements for what is required to succeed in the League Division Toilet that you watch regularly. On that basis I believe Brown will be a good short term signing for you. As someone with influence at Crewe remarked yesterday whilst praising the signing, Brownie will run through walls all day and kick anything that moves.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2014 10:30:28 GMT
Bojan isn't made for the premier league. Some of the bed wetting on here is justified.. Is that why you're here? The bed wetting thing?
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 27, 2014 10:40:20 GMT
Nope I understand perfectly that physically David Silva isn't made for the PL. He also does go missing on occasions due to the fact I believe the game passes him by. You're having a giggle mate. David Silva runs games, if you actually saw him play (not on the tele) you'd see how good he is. It's extremely rare he has a bad game, hence that's why he's Citehs playmaker and PL winner Surely you only get to see Silva twice all season without watching him on TV? Silva didn't have the best season last year.. Yaya Toure ran the show
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 11:58:01 GMT
How strange that a Port Vale supporter would post such a thing. You must be on a wind-up, funny that considering what's happened to Vale...again! You'll be over the moon with signing Michael Brown, now that's a proper signing. Nothing wrong with Michael Brown at L1 level.. He would probably do a better job in the prem than Whelan does. Bojan is a good player but the premier league will stifle him. Give over you daft cunt. Brown couldn't do a better job than Whelan at any level.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 12:16:13 GMT
Why give players who will be no where near the first 16 never mind the first 11 so much pitch time. If Shotton, Wilkinson, Shea, ness make 10 squads between them then something is wrong. All 4 are not even championship standard They need to be semi fit if you want to sell them, or if we get some bad injuries and we need to call on them.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2014 12:17:14 GMT
How strange that a Port Vale supporter would post such a thing. You must be on a wind-up, funny that considering what's happened to Vale...again! You'll be over the moon with signing Michael Brown, now that's a proper signing. Nothing wrong with Michael Brown at L1 level.. He would probably do a better job in the prem than Whelan does. Bojan is a good player but the premier league will stifle him. Doubt it, Whelan was one of our best players last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 13:43:31 GMT
This thread confirms that Stoke City FC really does have a ridiculous amount of know nothing,knicker wetting imbeciles following them. Or that quite a few watched the game and are just commenting on what they saw. Just like Hughes and co will be doing today. If Bowen suggested Bojan was a little of the pace and will need sharpening up plus a bit of gym work do you think Hughes would have called him a knicker wetting imbecile. If you only want to hear positive, sycophantic type posts then don't come on here. I'm pretty sure Hughes and co realise that the result means pretty much shit all at this stage, and that these friendlies are all about trying different things and bedding in players who haven't hardly even met yet. This seems to be lost on quite a few on here who are already writing certain players off already and going way over the top in their summaries of the game.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 27, 2014 13:57:00 GMT
In person getting pelted in the rain on that hill the football was dire but the craic was 90. Good run out for fitness and no injuries of any consequence. Munich 1860 seems like a proper club with great fans, very friendly bunch. We will be fine, as Chugga would say, "dunna worri" Les will get it sorted. This was an awesome background for footy, Reit Im Winkl is a beautiful village. Ey up Sean....pleasure to meet you at the game. Just back in the 'Dam First half I though we did ok but second half was a wash out - literally ! Still, top off and get singing I say Pleasure to meet "Silverback" Ant, Brian and his daughter Jemma, Jack, Ben and Sam and all the others! If anyones going Freiburg, then see you there. All together now- Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah Silver silverback, Silverback silver silverback !!
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Post by Ayupshag on Jul 27, 2014 16:21:09 GMT
You're having a giggle mate. David Silva runs games, if you actually saw him play (not on the tele) you'd see how good he is. It's extremely rare he has a bad game, hence that's why he's Citehs playmaker and PL winner Surely you only get to see Silva twice all season without watching him on TV? Silva didn't have the best season last year.. Yaya Toure ran the show Yes but in those 2 games you can see exactly why he's one of the top midfield players in the world. Yaya Toure scored a lot of goals for citeh last season but they wouldn't have won the league without Silva
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