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Post by Gods on Sept 20, 2014 11:40:04 GMT
Well the Daily Mail's accompanying tv magazine could not have praised the programme anymore, giving it the pick of the week title and a 5-star rating (which very rarely happens even for a pick of the week title). They also state that Toby Jones will be in the running for multiple awards for a fantastic performance, which would be excellent to see. It also states it is a 'part-biopic, part-musical', which I thought seemed quite odd. For anyone that has seen it (Malcolm in particular) is there much music in it? I do find that some shows/movies can be degraded by unnecessary musical interludes (not that I would know anything about making good tv mind). Does it contribute positively to the overall show? As stated above, very much looking forward to this. I would say 'part-musical' overstates the amount of music in it, certainly there is no one piece of music you would consider long enough to be an 'interlude' but it includes the "Raise Your Voices" choir singing in Keele University Chappell which sits well with Neil's connections with the clergy and of course there is a rendition of Delilah among other things. I would normally share your reservations but its strangely uplifting in truth and plays well to the narrative.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 20, 2014 11:46:32 GMT
Well the Daily Mail's accompanying tv magazine could not have praised the programme anymore, giving it the pick of the week title and a 5-star rating (which very rarely happens even for a pick of the week title). They also state that Toby Jones will be in the running for multiple awards for a fantastic performance, which would be excellent to see. It also states it is a 'part-biopic, part-musical', which I thought seemed quite odd. For anyone that has seen it (Malcolm in particular) is there much music in it? I do find that some shows/movies can be degraded by unnecessary musical interludes (not that I would know anything about making good tv mind). Does it contribute positively to the overall show? As stated above, very much looking forward to this. I would say 'part-musical' overstates the amount of music in it, certainly there is no one piece of music you would consider long enough to be an 'interlude' but it includes the "Raise Your Voices" choir singing in Keele University Chappell which sits well with Neil's connections with the clergy and of course there is a rendition of Delilah among other things. I would normally share your reservations but its strangely uplifting in truth and plays well to the narrative. Cheers Gods.
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2014 11:47:15 GMT
Can't wait. Newcastle Under Lyme on the map at last.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 21, 2014 0:14:02 GMT
Well the Daily Mail's accompanying tv magazine could not have praised the programme anymore, giving it the pick of the week title and a 5-star rating (which very rarely happens even for a pick of the week title). They also state that Toby Jones will be in the running for multiple awards for a fantastic performance, which would be excellent to see. It also states it is a 'part-biopic, part-musical', which I thought seemed quite odd. For anyone that has seen it (Malcolm in particular) is there much music in it? I do find that some shows/movies can be degraded by unnecessary musical interludes (not that I would know anything about making good tv mind). Does it contribute positively to the overall show? As stated above, very much looking forward to this. Similar praise in the Guardian, the Indy, the Times and the Telegraph. Although I wouldn't myself go as far as to call it "part musical", I think the choir and its music works really well and helps to bind it together. But you can judge for yourself on Thursday. Not an area I know much about but I think it must be in the running for awards. As well as Toby, I think Gemma Jones as Mary, Neil's mum puts in an astonishing performance - but I think they are all good. Although it's just one scene, I also loved local girl Mona Goodwin as "Elaine" in the employment office, who features in the trailer. If you want an authentic potteries accent - hire one ( although it's not quite as strong in real life - which shows her acting skills).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 0:16:42 GMT
Can't wait. Newcastle Under Lyme on the map at last. Whereas in reality, it'd be better if it was wiped off it..... I mean completely in an administrative way btw!
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Post by Gods on Sept 21, 2014 12:37:32 GMT
Marvellous is also the Sunday Times Critics Choice "Pick of the day" for next Thursday. I knew people close to Keele University and Stoke City would love it but I was waiting with baited breath to see what the hard bitten critics in the nationals, who eat these kind of things for breakfast when they want to, would say and it seems I should not have worried, it was in very safe hands Here is the Sunday Times write-up, the first sentence could not be more true and it occurred to me too, the potential to screw this thing up big style was very real! I don't know what to say really, well done to everyone, they have absolutely torn this one up, I really think it is gaining the kind of momentum which will see it running for awards when the awards season comes around Anyway here you go: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pick Of The Day Marvellous (BBC2 9PM) It is painful to imagine how wrong this drama could have gone. The true story of Neil Baldwin - circus clown, Stoke City kit man and "very good friend" to everyone from Tony Benn to the Archbishop of Canterbury - might have ended up cloying and twee, a kind of Alan Bennett does Forrest Gump. Fortunately, Peter Bowker the writer, finds the perfect balance in Baldwin's inspiring tale, never hiding the troubles he faced as a man with learning difficulties, yet revelling in his refusal to let them weigh him down. Toby Jones is excellent in the lead role, as is Gemma Jones playing his ailing mother, there are star cameos too, which are testament to Baldwin's Zelig-like powers, but the real star is the man himself, who appears in conversation with Jones. His philosophy permeates the drama : "I always wanted to be happy," says Jones character, "So I decided to be."
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Post by wrighter on Sept 21, 2014 14:29:01 GMT
Just seen the trailer See he is wearing the Stoke scarf i leant for filming !!!
Cant wait to watch the whole film
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 21, 2014 14:56:27 GMT
Marvellous is also the Sunday Times Critics Choice "Pick of the day" for next Thursday. I knew people close to Keele University and Stoke City would love it but I was waiting with baited breath to see what the hard bitten critics in the nationals, who eat these kind of things for breakfast when they want to, would say and it seems I should not have worried, it was in very safe hands Here is the Sunday Times write-up, the first sentence could not be more true and it occurred to me too, the potential to screw this thing up big style was very real! I don't know what to say really, well done to everyone, they have absolutely torn this one up, I really think is gaining the kind of momentum which will see it win awards when the awards season comes around Anyway here you go: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pick Of The Day Marvellous (BBC2 9PM) It is painful to imagine how wrong this drama could have gone. The true story of Neil Baldwin - circus clown, Stoke City kit man and "very good friend" to everyone from Tony Benn to the Archbishop of Canterbury - might have ended up cloying and twee, a kind of Alan Bennett does Forrest Gump. Fortunately, Peter Bowker the writer, finds the perfect balance in Baldwin's inspiring tale, never hiding the troubles he faced as a man with learning difficulties, yet revelling in his refusal to let them weigh him down. Toby Jones is excellent in the lead role, as is Gemma Jones playing his ailing mother, there are star cameos too, which are testament to Baldwin's Zelig-like powers, but the real star is the man himself, who appears in conversation with Jones. His philosophy permeates the drama : "I always wanted to be happy," says Jones character, "So I decided to be." That was a concern, Godfrey, but it was always in good hands with Pete Bowker. Not only had he written "flesh and blood" which dealt superbly with a very sensitive topic in the same area, but before he was a writer he worked for years in that field. There was no way he was ever going to let Neil down in that regard, and produce anything but a script in which Neil ultimately triumphs. Also, both Tiger Aspect and the BBC have been very concerned from the outset about how to approach what is undoubtedly a sensitive area. But don't you think it shows the limitations of the labels we all use far too readily sometimes ? What are "special needs" ? We all have needs, of differing types. We all have limitations, weaknesses and "difficulties" of differing kinds. Some get labelled, some don't. The truth is that I don't think I've ever known anyone who is so content with their life as Neil is. How much is that worth ? Keele University and Stoke City have been a big part of my life ( and yours, Gods) as they have of Neil's. But I haven't ever been on the pitch for Stoke, or got an honorary degree from Keele. Who's the winner here ?
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 21, 2014 20:30:31 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2014 20:48:05 GMT
Strangely doesn't get a mention in the Sentinel's choice of the week by John Woodhouse. He prefers Downton fucking Abbey and some dreadful, I can work an oven which gives me the right to be an obnoxious twat to people vehicle for Gordon Ramsey. Bewildering.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:55:53 GMT
Anyone know who the player in the article was who abused Baldwin and called him a "****" (I detest that word)?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 21, 2014 21:09:28 GMT
Anyone know who the player in the article was who abused Baldwin and called him a "****" (I detest that word)? Potentially dangerous territory to enter on a public message Board, prestwich, because of libel laws etc. That's why all the players in the film are given fictitious names on legal advice.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 21, 2014 21:17:47 GMT
Strangely doesn't get a mention in the Sentinel's choice of the week by John Woodhouse. He prefers Downton fucking Abbey and some dreadful, I can work an oven which gives me the right to be an obnoxious twat to people vehicle for Gordon Ramsey. Bewildering. That's as disappointing as it is unexpected, given that this is a local film which has achieved rave reviews everywhere else, and the Sentinel have run plenty of stories about the making of the film, the premieres etc.
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Post by Gods on Sept 21, 2014 21:20:06 GMT
Marvellous is also the Sunday Times Critics Choice "Pick of the day" for next Thursday. I knew people close to Keele University and Stoke City would love it but I was waiting with baited breath to see what the hard bitten critics in the nationals, who eat these kind of things for breakfast when they want to, would say and it seems I should not have worried, it was in very safe hands Here is the Sunday Times write-up, the first sentence could not be more true and it occurred to me too, the potential to screw this thing up big style was very real! I don't know what to say really, well done to everyone, they have absolutely torn this one up, I really think is gaining the kind of momentum which will see it win awards when the awards season comes around Anyway here you go: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pick Of The Day Marvellous (BBC2 9PM) It is painful to imagine how wrong this drama could have gone. The true story of Neil Baldwin - circus clown, Stoke City kit man and "very good friend" to everyone from Tony Benn to the Archbishop of Canterbury - might have ended up cloying and twee, a kind of Alan Bennett does Forrest Gump. Fortunately, Peter Bowker the writer, finds the perfect balance in Baldwin's inspiring tale, never hiding the troubles he faced as a man with learning difficulties, yet revelling in his refusal to let them weigh him down. Toby Jones is excellent in the lead role, as is Gemma Jones playing his ailing mother, there are star cameos too, which are testament to Baldwin's Zelig-like powers, but the real star is the man himself, who appears in conversation with Jones. His philosophy permeates the drama : "I always wanted to be happy," says Jones character, "So I decided to be." That was a concern, Godfrey, but it was always in good hands with Pete Bowker. Not only had he written "flesh and blood" which dealt superbly with a very sensitive topic in the same area, but before he was a writer he worked for years in that field. There was no way he was ever going to let Neil down in that regard, and produce anything but a script in which Neil ultimately triumphs. Also, both Tiger Aspect and the BBC have been very concerned from the outset about how to approach what is undoubtedly a sensitive area. But don't you think it shows the limitations of the labels we all use far too readily sometimes ? What are "special needs" ? We all have needs, of differing types. We all have limitations, weaknesses and "difficulties" of differing kinds. Some get labelled, some don't. The truth is that I don't think I've ever known anyone who is so content with their life as Neil is. How much is that worth ? Keele University and Stoke City have been a big part of my life ( and yours, Gods) as they have of Neil's. But I haven't ever been on the pitch for Stoke, or got an honorary degree from Keele. Who's the winner here ? I must admit I am full of admiration for people like Peter Bowker who can write, I mean really write, not like we do on here, but tell a complex story with multi-faceted characters and do it with a heart and a soul and a beginning and a middle and an end, with a narrative running through, and develop believable characters and put words in their mouths that they might actually say, and make us laugh and cry, I suspect it is god given talent but like anything else without application you have nothing. Bowker just seemed like a regular guy not seeking the limelight but no doubt he has a gift!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 21:25:50 GMT
Anyone know who the player in the article was who abused Baldwin and called him a "****" (I detest that word)? Potentially dangerous territory to enter on a public message Board, prestwich, because of libel laws etc. That's why all the players in the film are given fictitious names on legal advice. Yep fair comment. Absolute tosser whoever he was......
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 21, 2014 21:32:46 GMT
That was a concern, Godfrey, but it was always in good hands with Pete Bowker. Not only had he written "flesh and blood" which dealt superbly with a very sensitive topic in the same area, but before he was a writer he worked for years in that field. There was no way he was ever going to let Neil down in that regard, and produce anything but a script in which Neil ultimately triumphs. Also, both Tiger Aspect and the BBC have been very concerned from the outset about how to approach what is undoubtedly a sensitive area. But don't you think it shows the limitations of the labels we all use far too readily sometimes ? What are "special needs" ? We all have needs, of differing types. We all have limitations, weaknesses and "difficulties" of differing kinds. Some get labelled, some don't. The truth is that I don't think I've ever known anyone who is so content with their life as Neil is. How much is that worth ? Keele University and Stoke City have been a big part of my life ( and yours, Gods) as they have of Neil's. But I haven't ever been on the pitch for Stoke, or got an honorary degree from Keele. Who's the winner here ? I must admit I am full of admiration for people like Peter Bowker who can write, I mean really write, not like we do on here, but tell a complex story with multi-faceted characters and do it with a heart and a soul and a beginning and a middle and an end, with a narrative running through, and develop believable characters and put words in their mouths that they might actually say, and make us laugh and cry, I suspect it is god given talent but like anything else without application you have nothing. Bowker just seemed like a regular guy not seeking the limelight but no doubt he has a gift! He definitely has, Gods, and I think you sum it up well. And his many TV successes are very different in form. The Tiger Aspect people said once he wanted to write it, they knew they were more than half way there getting the BBC to buy it, such is his reputation with the Beeb. He also has an extraordinary eye for picking up both the detail and the essence of people and their language and relationships with each other, which comes over so well in this film. Of course he met Neil, Lou etc etc at length but obviously couldn't meet Mary - and yet by talking to people who did know her, he has managed to bring the real her alive on screen in a quite extraordinary way - together of course with Gemma Jones' brilliant acting.
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Post by trebor63 on Sept 22, 2014 0:21:39 GMT
I've just seen a clip of 'Marvelous' after MOTD2 and Nello was with Malcolm who had a takeaway wrapper on his knee and then they were together again and Malcolm was eating again. I must say it does seem very realistic ;-)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2014 6:28:41 GMT
I've just seen a clip of 'Marvelous' after MOTD2 and Nello was with Malcolm who had a takeaway wrapper on his knee and then they were together again and Malcolm was eating again. I must say it does seem very realistic ;-) Agreed, Rob! Malcolm has always said that a diet of chips and takeaways in his Uni days gave him the Twickers accent and air of gravitas that he has today. To be serious for a minute, to recognise Malcolm instantly (as we both did) in a scene depicting him nearly 50 years ago, shows what a brilliant job they have done of casting the characters. Like you, I had no doubt that I was looking at a much younger Malcolm Clarke in his University days. The other thing is the speed with which they have put the whole thing together - it is only a few months since we were asked to get to the Brit early to chant Neil's name - for some reason I expected it would take closer to a year to complete.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 22, 2014 12:44:50 GMT
I've just seen a clip of 'Marvelous' after MOTD2 and Nello was with Malcolm who had a takeaway wrapper on his knee and then they were together again and Malcolm was eating again. I must say it does seem very realistic ;-) Agreed, Rob! Malcolm has always said that a diet of chips and takeaways in his Uni days gave him the Twickers accent and air of gravitas that he has today. To be serious for a minute, to recognise Malcolm instantly (as we both did) in a scene depicting him nearly 50 years ago, shows what a brilliant job they have done of casting the characters. Like you, I had no doubt that I was looking at a much younger Malcolm Clarke in his University days. The other thing is the speed with which they have put the whole thing together - it is only a few months since we were asked to get to the Brit early to chant Neil's name - for some reason I expected it would take closer to a year to complete. I'd imagine it doesn't have many post-production special effects...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2014 12:49:17 GMT
Agreed, Rob! Malcolm has always said that a diet of chips and takeaways in his Uni days gave him the Twickers accent and air of gravitas that he has today. To be serious for a minute, to recognise Malcolm instantly (as we both did) in a scene depicting him nearly 50 years ago, shows what a brilliant job they have done of casting the characters. Like you, I had no doubt that I was looking at a much younger Malcolm Clarke in his University days. The other thing is the speed with which they have put the whole thing together - it is only a few months since we were asked to get to the Brit early to chant Neil's name - for some reason I expected it would take closer to a year to complete. I'd imagine it doesn't have many post-production special effects... Wot? No CGI!
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Post by wuzza on Sept 22, 2014 18:28:24 GMT
Just got a thorough recommendation on one of Radio 4's arts programmes (I was searching for the footy on radio 5 honest!).
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 22, 2014 18:40:12 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 22, 2014 18:46:49 GMT
I've just seen a clip of 'Marvelous' after MOTD2 and Nello was with Malcolm who had a takeaway wrapper on his knee and then they were together again and Malcolm was eating again. I must say it does seem very realistic ;-) Agreed, Rob! Malcolm has always said that a diet of chips and takeaways in his Uni days gave him the Twickers accent and air of gravitas that he has today. To be serious for a minute, to recognise Malcolm instantly (as we both did) in a scene depicting him nearly 50 years ago, shows what a brilliant job they have done of casting the characters. Like you, I had no doubt that I was looking at a much younger Malcolm Clarke in his University days. The other thing is the speed with which they have put the whole thing together - it is only a few months since we were asked to get to the Brit early to chant Neil's name - for some reason I expected it would take closer to a year to complete. Cheeky sods ! When you see the full film, there is a scene in which "I" appear to be the only person in a group still eating a plate of buffet (to say what the occasion was might spoil the story line). My family are convinced that that was deliberately scripted by Pete Bowker having observed me when visiting the set, but Pete assures me that it wasn't John, I agree about the speed. It took a long time from when the idea was first mooted to the start of actually making it ( about three and a half years) but once it started the whole thing has been like a very efficient military operation. I am writing an article for DUCK magazine about it.
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Post by Gods on Sept 22, 2014 18:53:33 GMT
I've only met Malcolm once at a game at half time and he was eating then, some kind of packed lunch arrangement. For some reason he tipped the entire contents of his liquid beverage over the bald pate of an irate spectator on the row in front of him. I thought for second I might witness the unusual sight of the Chairman of the Football Supporters Association "decked" by one of the people he purports to represent but the fella took a few deep breaths and the moment passed
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2014 19:01:52 GMT
I've only met Malcolm once at a game at half time and he was eating. For some reason he tipped the entire contents of his liquid beverage over the bald pate of an irate spectator on the row in front of him.
I thought for second I might witness the wonderful sight of the Chairman of the Football Supporters Association "decked" by one of the people he purports to represent but the fella took a few deep breaths and the moment passed He probably did it as a bet - he'll bet on anything will Malcolm!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 22, 2014 19:07:07 GMT
Is it just me or is the picture showing Neil warming up too early for the flags with our 'new' badge in the background or am I just getting completely mixed up?
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Post by Davef on Sept 22, 2014 19:10:26 GMT
Is it just me or is the picture showing Neil warming up too early for the flags with our 'new' badge in the background or am I just getting completely mixed up? Yes, eight years too early. Never mind.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 22, 2014 19:16:44 GMT
Is it just me or is the picture showing Neil warming up too early for the flags with our 'new' badge in the background or am I just getting completely mixed up? Yes, eight years too early. Never mind. True. I'm sure it was hugely difficult getting everything spot on. Speaking of which, why did we change our badge in the first place. Any particular reason?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2014 19:22:07 GMT
Yes, eight years too early. Never mind. True. I'm sure it was hugely difficult getting everything spot on. Speaking of which, why did we change our badge in the first place. Any particular reason? The badge which was based on the City Coat of Arms could not be copyrighted by the club as the City hold the copyright. That would have meant that any firm could sell shirts with that badge on it (as TOFFs still do). By creating a unique badge the club get the copyright.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 22, 2014 19:29:30 GMT
Is it just me or is the picture showing Neil warming up too early for the flags with our 'new' badge in the background or am I just getting completely mixed up? Yes, eight years too early. Never mind. Good spot ! I noticed it too. It's a shame because they went to great trouble to get as many of those details right as they could. The badge on the players shirts for example is the old one. You may recall that they asked for Stoke fans to send in scarves etc from that era. My guess is that that flag was brought in by one of the extras and not provided by the production company, and the error was not spotted by the editor or Director.
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