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Post by Squeekster on Jul 21, 2014 22:00:23 GMT
Yes but discounted match day tickets would benefit everyone traveling to away games. It gives some fans a chance to get to away games they perhaps otherwise would have missed. Football is an expensive luxury in poor financial times for a lot of people. If the club can help put more bums on seats by putting their hands in their pockets then that can only be a good thing in my opinion. [/b] The point that is being highlighted here, is that the system is encouraging some additional fans to attend away games. The offer is there for all fans who choose to save some money when attending an away game[/quote] Yes but as been mentioned before not everyone who travels to away games lives locally so to me the fairest way would be discounted match day tickets and this would benefit EVERY FAN TRAVELING TO AWAY GAMES!
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 21, 2014 22:08:35 GMT
The club will never do enough for some fans. The price of football is undoubtedly too high, especially the clubs that charge £50 or £60 for a matchday ticket. It's fair to say our club does more than most though. We already have one of the cheapest Season Tickets around, at a cost that has been frozen for half a dozen years or so. My ticket in the Boothen End works out at around £18 a match as an average over the season. It'd probably cost me more than that if I rockeed up at Vale Park for a one-off match on a Saturday afternoon (and contrary to what some might believe on here, even I'm not that much of a daft cunt to do that.) This free travel initiative is another great step and it can only help boost numbers for our away games, which can only be a good thing. Can the club do more? Of course they could, there will always be ways they can help us out further but they already do more than most, and we're pretty lucky in that aspect. One day when Coates and his family don't own the club things could dramatically change and some might then realise just how good we've got things right now. Cheap home tickets, options to spread the cost out (which applies to ST and shirts), free away travel (which can a big saving for the trips to London) - that's a pretty good showing from the club if you ask me. That's not the case all round though is it? I attended more away games last season because we were giving it a go rather than the negative shit that we were served up every away game under Pulis,i also used the train for every trip so the free travel had nothing to do with me attending more away games. Yes it's good for some but in all fairness discounted ticket prices is the only scheme that would benefit ALL traveling fans not just some!
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 21, 2014 23:26:40 GMT
If your numbers are correct, £200K divided by 19 away games equals £10.5K per game; that's £10.50 per 1000 people NOT £1 per 1000 ! For £10.50 you can get a pie, a pint and a bj in Hull ! Marc's numbers are correct, but as you say, his maths was wrong It is not a grant as such, but an agreement by all PL clubs to spend £200k per season on initiatives which help away supporters. I would prefer the money to be used to reduce ticket prices, simply because that helps all supporters, including exiles and those who, for whatever reason, don't want to travel by coach. That said, it's much better than, say, tarting up the away concourse, which was the kind of thing some clubs did. In fact, there is good reason to doubt whether some clubs spent the full amount anyway. So I would give the club a B rather than an A, but some others might a C,D or E . All this of course is set in the context of all PL clubs having eye-wateringly huge amounts of money as a result of the current media rights deal, which of course partly results from the attraction of the atmosphere, which is greatly helped by the away fans, so it makes business sense to tackle the falling levels of away support which the PL has experienced. The next steps should be the abolition of price categorisation (a move which Stoke City don't support) and a rule requiring away fans to be pitchside to end being put up in the gods, as at Newcastle and Sunderland and also being considered by other clubs. Concise and eloquent summary as always Malcolm. Any thoughts on why the Supporters Council weren't asked for a view on the expenditure for the coming season ? Perhaps it was taken as read that they supported any form of freebie that benefitted the fans, rather than actually asking the question ?
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 21, 2014 23:39:44 GMT
As an interesting aside, if you google (other search engines are also available) £200,000 Premier League Fans Fund, you get some other angles on this subject. Apparently Aston Villa applied the funds to mixed incentives, as varied as £300 subsidies to the Loins charity in order to encourage the less fortunate to attend away games. They also only provided free travel to 10 away games, choosing to distribute the funds in a broader spectrum of incentives to benefit more supporters. One Premier League club blew the lot on refurbishing its away end: an act with universal benefit to every visiting supporter ! We all have an opinion on this, even if it's "I don't give a sh!t how the cash is spent" but mine is that we need to con sider different incentives that bring benefits to mire than the elderly coach-dwelling sheep on coach one ! A bit disrespectful to call a fellow fan a sheep, because of the mode of transport he/she chooses.Not that I have a problem with our ovine friends. I'm very respectful of fellow fans; it's the constant patronising of the supporters by the club that I'm disrespectful of, combined with the feeling that we're somehow ungrateful when the freebie offered only benefits the (sheepish) few who can spare the time to fit into the timetable set down by the club for away travel. If we were starving, it would be like the club buying us burgers when we're vegetarians, then calling us ungrateful for not consuming them ! For the future, I'm backing the "Twenty is plenty" campaign for away tickets and if asked my opinion, will state that mixed incentives would be preferential to a single subsidy (such as free away travel); after all, who attends every away match except Coach One and the retired ?
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jul 22, 2014 0:17:50 GMT
Absolutely shite.
Free travel didn't benefit the away support at all last season, if anything it made it worse with the atmosphere etc.
Not sure the club realise we have supporters outside of Stoke either.
Like my arse Stoke, it's not difficult to ask the fans what they really want.
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Post by JetBlack on Jul 22, 2014 9:11:15 GMT
Well I'll give it a go this season, couldn't give a toss if it pisses some of you off either.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jul 22, 2014 9:13:00 GMT
Well I'll give it a go this season, couldn't give a toss if it pisses some of you off either. Well done. Don't forget to pack ya picnic. Zzzzz
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 22, 2014 9:18:00 GMT
Marc's numbers are correct, but as you say, his maths was wrong It is not a grant as such, but an agreement by all PL clubs to spend £200k per season on initiatives which help away supporters. I would prefer the money to be used to reduce ticket prices, simply because that helps all supporters, including exiles and those who, for whatever reason, don't want to travel by coach. That said, it's much better than, say, tarting up the away concourse, which was the kind of thing some clubs did. In fact, there is good reason to doubt whether some clubs spent the full amount anyway. So I would give the club a B rather than an A, but some others might a C,D or E . All this of course is set in the context of all PL clubs having eye-wateringly huge amounts of money as a result of the current media rights deal, which of course partly results from the attraction of the atmosphere, which is greatly helped by the away fans, so it makes business sense to tackle the falling levels of away support which the PL has experienced. The next steps should be the abolition of price categorisation (a move which Stoke City don't support) and a rule requiring away fans to be pitchside to end being put up in the gods, as at Newcastle and Sunderland and also being considered by other clubs. Concise and eloquent summary as always Malcolm. Any thoughts on why the Supporters Council weren't asked for a view on the expenditure for the coming season ? Perhaps it was taken as read that they supported any form of freebie that benefitted the fans, rather than actually asking the question ? At the last meeting of the SC at the end of last season, Tony Scholes simply said that the Club hadn't decided about whether the free transport would continue. The Council itself did not express a view on how it would like the money to be spent. Although I have always said both on the Council and elsewhere that I would prefer the money to be used on reducing ticket prices, I have been hesitant to be too critical of the club, because they have been better on these type of issues than many other PL clubs. For example, Stoke advocated a rule which would say that away supporters can't be charged more than the cheapest home tickets, which would have been a good step forward - but unfortunately they couldn't get that through the other clubs. As I am no longer on the SC, I wouldn't know if there has been any communication or discussion since the end of last season.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 22, 2014 9:32:51 GMT
Why don't Stoke support the removal of categorisation? I obviously can't speak for the Club, but my understanding is that they see it as the law of supply and demand - that a more popular event commands a higher price. The problem I have with that is that it's so unfair on supporters who support clubs which are in the most expensive category all the time. In general, it hasn't affected us too much since we've been in the PL because we've tended to be in the lower categories as an away club. But if we begin to be seen as more attractive opponents, bringing a big support, we are likely to be in the higher categories more often. That, of course, is one possible ironic consequence of success in increasing our away following. The other problem is that the size of these differentials has been increasing in recent years. It's often no longer just a few quid, but very large differentials between the categories.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 22, 2014 9:46:16 GMT
It's pretty obvious why they are keeping the free away travel - it's a piece of piss to manage. In fact, it takes no more organising than if we were paying for it, bar laying on a few extra coaches now and again.
Discounting tickets for a select few games, which is a lot fairer, would take some effort by the club. Once again their lazy arsed approach means that 100% of the clubs support cannot enjoy this 'generous' offer.
The Supporters council is really a toothless non-entity.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2014 10:02:53 GMT
I obviously can't speak for the Club, but my understanding is that they see it as the law of supply and demand - that a more popular event commands a higher price. The problem I have with that is that it's so unfair on supporters who support clubs which are in the most expensive category all the time. In general, it hasn't affected us too much since we've been in the PL because we've tended to be in the lower categories as an away club. But if we begin to be seen as more attractive opponents, bringing a big support, we are likely to be in the higher categories more often. That, of course, is one possible ironic consequence of success in increasing our away following. The other problem is that the size of these differentials has been increasing in recent years. It's often no longer just a few quid, but very large differentials between the categories. I don't think the supply and demand argument actually follows though Malcolm, as although the games against the big teams may make the club more money, they certainly don't put more bums on seats. The Chelsea and Man City home games were in the bottom four attendance wise and Man Utd and Arsenal were a poor 6th and 7th. The only top category game to make the top 3 was Liverpool. The lure of the top sides clearly isn't attractive enough to overcome the prohibitive match day prices, particularly when virtually every pub in certain areas of the City is showing the game for free. One price should fit all.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 22, 2014 10:08:02 GMT
It's pretty obvious why they are keeping the free away travel - it's a piece of piss to manage. In fact, it takes no more organising than if we were paying for it, bar laying on a few extra coaches now and again. Discounting tickets for a select few games, which is a lot fairer, would take some effort by the club. Once again their lazy arsed approach means that 100% of the clubs support cannot enjoy this 'generous' offer. The Supporters council is really a toothless non-entity. No other club consult their fans on this away fans fund. So why should Stoke be any different ? Discounting a select few games only benefits the away supporters that can make that chosen game, not 100% of the clubs support. There's an argument for everything. I would much rather them do this than tarting up the away fans concourse or putting on a free pie, free tourist guide of Stoke to away fans etc.
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 22, 2014 10:14:35 GMT
Well said Malcolm !
I, for one, will miss your input to the SC as you bring much more to the role than just a simple attendee.
The "twenty is plenty" campaign may have some effect, if adopted by all clubs' supporters' forums, but I fear apathy will prevent a long term change in direction from the 20 PL clubs themselves.
Unfortunately TV revenue easily outweighs gate receipts, and the ultimate result may be teams playing to empty stadia, while the disaffected fanbase watches from the comfort of their local pub or home.
On the Free Travel subject, I feel free travel to the more distant games (Newcastle/Sunderland/Hull/Southampton/Swansea and the London clubs) would have been the best gesture, leaving a good proportion of the pot to be distributed amongst charity and family incentives.
It's unfortunate that Stoke City have chosen the path of least resistance and simply repeated its formula from last season, which benefits the few that are able to meet the club's coach timetable and unfortunately alienates the fans who live outside the local area.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 22, 2014 10:16:15 GMT
I obviously can't speak for the Club, but my understanding is that they see it as the law of supply and demand - that a more popular event commands a higher price. The problem I have with that is that it's so unfair on supporters who support clubs which are in the most expensive category all the time. In general, it hasn't affected us too much since we've been in the PL because we've tended to be in the lower categories as an away club. But if we begin to be seen as more attractive opponents, bringing a big support, we are likely to be in the higher categories more often. That, of course, is one possible ironic consequence of success in increasing our away following. The other problem is that the size of these differentials has been increasing in recent years. It's often no longer just a few quid, but very large differentials between the categories. I don't think the supply and demand argument actually follows though Malcolm, as although the games against the big teams may make the club more money, they certainly don't put more bums on seats. The Chelsea and Man City home games were in the bottom four attendance wise and Man Utd and Arsenal were a poor 6th and 7th. The only top category game to make the top 3 was Liverpool. The lure of the top sides clearly isn't attractive enough to overcome the prohibitive match day prices, particularly when virtually every pub in certain areas of the City is showing the game for free. One price should fit all. Very interesting stats. those ! I hadn't realised that. I think you are right. The club (rightly) publicise how cheap per game the season ticket is, but that probably only makes a potential casual purchaser for a "big" game feel really ripped off. Also, I think the attraction of games against the "big" clubs is probably a bit less now than it was when we first came into the PL. The novelty has gone, and fans probably look much more at the price, and some will find a game where it is perceived we have a better chance of winning, at a much lower price, as being a better option. I completely agree - s standard price for all games should be the way forward.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2014 10:23:12 GMT
I don't think the supply and demand argument actually follows though Malcolm, as although the games against the big teams may make the club more money, they certainly don't put more bums on seats. The Chelsea and Man City home games were in the bottom four attendance wise and Man Utd and Arsenal were a poor 6th and 7th. The only top category game to make the top 3 was Liverpool. The lure of the top sides clearly isn't attractive enough to overcome the prohibitive match day prices, particularly when virtually every pub in certain areas of the City is showing the game for free. One price should fit all. Very interesting stats. those ! I hadn't realised that. I think you are right. The club (rightly) publicise how cheap per game the season ticket is, but that probably only makes a potential casual purchaser for a "big" game feel really ripped off. Also, I think the attraction of games against the "big" clubs is probably a bit less now than it was when we first came into the PL. The novelty has gone, and fans probably look much more at the price, and some will find a game where it is perceived we have a better chance of winning, at a much lower price, as being a better option. I completely agree - s standard price for all games should be the way forward. Agreed, it really would be notable gesture by the club to end this discriminatory pricing The full list by the way. I think our excellent final 2 month form meant that later games were well attended but the crowds against the 'bigger clubs' really are interesting. Match Date Opponent Attendance 37 03-May-14 Fulham 27,429 34 12-Apr-14 Newcastle Utd 27,400 21 12-Jan-14 Liverpool 27,160 32 29-Mar-14 Hull City 27,029 30 15-Mar-14 West Ham United 27,015 28 01-Mar-14 Arsenal 26,711 24 01-Feb-14 Manchester Utd 26,547 6 29-Sep-13 Norwich City 26,184 10 02-Nov-13 Southampton 26,053 36 26-Apr-14 Tottenham Hotspur 26,021 12 23-Nov-13 Sunderland 26,007 17 21-Dec-13 Aston Villa 26,003 8 19-Oct-13 West Bromwich Albion 25,904 20 01-Jan-14 Everton 25,832 2 24-Aug-13 Crystal Palace 25,270 15 07-Dec-13 Chelsea 25,154 4 14-Sep-13 Manchester City 25,052 14 04-Dec-13 Cardiff City 25,014 26 12-Feb-14 Swansea City 24,822
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 22, 2014 10:23:24 GMT
It's pretty obvious why they are keeping the free away travel - it's a piece of piss to manage. In fact, it takes no more organising than if we were paying for it, bar laying on a few extra coaches now and again. Discounting tickets for a select few games, which is a lot fairer, would take some effort by the club. Once again their lazy arsed approach means that 100% of the clubs support cannot enjoy this 'generous' offer. The Supporters council is really a toothless non-entity. No other club consult their fans on this away fans fund. So why should Stoke be any different ? Discounting a select few games only benefits the away supporters that can make that chosen game, not 100% of the clubs support. There's an argument for everything. I would much rather them do this than tarting up the away fans concourse or putting on a free pie, free tourist guide of Stoke to away fans etc.
So because no other clubs do it we shouldn't? That's a great argument.
Discounting games makes the offer practically available to all. Free travel does not. It's a plain fact.
Any wonder why English football is in such a sorry state and the Germans (who do respect and consult fans) are miles ahead on and off the pitch. There is no creative thinking behind anything the PL does - they think it's OK to wave a few quid in the fans faces and expect every fan to fall in line.
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 22, 2014 10:32:15 GMT
So no Jennifer Aniston prematch/halftime/postmatch bj's then ?
The prem's going to the dogs (on coach one - no bottles, singing or talking - what ha mean, you don't want to contribute to the coach driver's tip ?).
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 22, 2014 10:34:10 GMT
It's pretty obvious why they are keeping the free away travel - it's a piece of piss to manage. In fact, it takes no more organising than if we were paying for it, bar laying on a few extra coaches now and again. Discounting tickets for a select few games, which is a lot fairer, would take some effort by the club. Once again their lazy arsed approach means that 100% of the clubs support cannot enjoy this 'generous' offer. The Supporters council is really a toothless non-entity. No other club consult their fans on this away fans fund. So why should Stoke be any different ? Discounting a select few games only benefits the away supporters that can make that chosen game, not 100% of the clubs support. There's an argument for everything. I would much rather them do this than tarting up the away fans concourse or putting on a free pie, free tourist guide of Stoke to away fans etc. All clubs should consult their fans on this and a lot more besides. A discount needn't be a select few away games - it could be all away games, but I agree with your last sentence
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 22, 2014 11:24:38 GMT
I agree clubs should consult us, It just appears like people are lambasting the club when in my eyes they're doing more than most clubs with this away fans fund.
I never used the official coaches last year, I do intend on using them for the spurs game this season though. I just feel saving £5 here and there isn't as beneficial as saving £20+ on most away games that some fans will gain.
What I'll save on the spurs game travel is more than what I could class as my share of the fans fund.
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2014 11:30:18 GMT
Very interesting stats. those ! I hadn't realised that. I think you are right. The club (rightly) publicise how cheap per game the season ticket is, but that probably only makes a potential casual purchaser for a "big" game feel really ripped off. Also, I think the attraction of games against the "big" clubs is probably a bit less now than it was when we first came into the PL. The novelty has gone, and fans probably look much more at the price, and some will find a game where it is perceived we have a better chance of winning, at a much lower price, as being a better option. I completely agree - s standard price for all games should be the way forward. Agreed, it really would be notable gesture by the club to end this discriminatory pricing The full list by the way. I think our excellent final 2 month form meant that later games were well attended but the crowds against the 'bigger clubs' really are interesting. Match Date Opponent Attendance 37 03-May-14 Fulham 27,429 34 12-Apr-14 Newcastle Utd 27,400 21 12-Jan-14 Liverpool 27,160 32 29-Mar-14 Hull City 27,029 30 15-Mar-14 West Ham United 27,015 28 01-Mar-14 Arsenal 26,711 24 01-Feb-14 Manchester Utd 26,547 6 29-Sep-13 Norwich City 26,184 10 02-Nov-13 Southampton 26,053 36 26-Apr-14 Tottenham Hotspur 26,021 12 23-Nov-13 Sunderland 26,007 17 21-Dec-13 Aston Villa 26,003 8 19-Oct-13 West Bromwich Albion 25,904 20 01-Jan-14 Everton 25,832 2 24-Aug-13 Crystal Palace 25,270 15 07-Dec-13 Chelsea 25,154 4 14-Sep-13 Manchester City 25,052 14 04-Dec-13 Cardiff City 25,014 26 12-Feb-14 Swansea City 24,822 No way was there 24k v Swansea mate as it was the storm night 17k max Irrelevant I know ( smiley )
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 22, 2014 11:42:31 GMT
Agreed, it really would be notable gesture by the club to end this discriminatory pricing The full list by the way. I think our excellent final 2 month form meant that later games were well attended but the crowds against the 'bigger clubs' really are interesting. Match Date Opponent Attendance 37 03-May-14 Fulham 27,429 34 12-Apr-14 Newcastle Utd 27,400 21 12-Jan-14 Liverpool 27,160 32 29-Mar-14 Hull City 27,029 30 15-Mar-14 West Ham United 27,015 28 01-Mar-14 Arsenal 26,711 24 01-Feb-14 Manchester Utd 26,547 6 29-Sep-13 Norwich City 26,184 10 02-Nov-13 Southampton 26,053 36 26-Apr-14 Tottenham Hotspur 26,021 12 23-Nov-13 Sunderland 26,007 17 21-Dec-13 Aston Villa 26,003 8 19-Oct-13 West Bromwich Albion 25,904 20 01-Jan-14 Everton 25,832 2 24-Aug-13 Crystal Palace 25,270 15 07-Dec-13 Chelsea 25,154 4 14-Sep-13 Manchester City 25,052 14 04-Dec-13 Cardiff City 25,014 26 12-Feb-14 Swansea City 24,822 No way was there 24k v Swansea mate as it was the storm night 17k max Irrelevant I know ( smiley ) Surely these figures make the assumption that all season ticket holders are automatic attendees ?
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2014 11:45:09 GMT
No way was there 24k v Swansea mate as it was the storm night 17k max Irrelevant I know ( smiley ) Surely these figures make the assumption that all season ticket holders are automatic attendees ? It's something Stoke have done for many years I think Robin
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Post by foreverredandwhite on Jul 22, 2014 11:49:02 GMT
Yes seriously, i like to make my own way to away games and travel the way i find more comfortable so this scheme will achieve nothing for me. Plus you have to make your way to the stadium so technically it's not free travel unless they can pick me up in Kidsgrove. So what youre saying is you have the chance to save £20 but are choosing not to take it, therefore its your fault youre not saving the money, not the clubs!!!!
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Post by foreverredandwhite on Jul 22, 2014 11:50:53 GMT
Yes seriously, i like to make my own way to away games and travel the way i find more comfortable so this scheme will achieve nothing for me. Plus you have to make your way to the stadium so technically it's not free travel unless they can pick me up in Kidsgrove. Plus I live in Lichfield, an hour away! I'm not moaning about it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2014 11:51:24 GMT
Agreed, it really would be notable gesture by the club to end this discriminatory pricing The full list by the way. I think our excellent final 2 month form meant that later games were well attended but the crowds against the 'bigger clubs' really are interesting. Match Date Opponent Attendance 37 03-May-14 Fulham 27,429 34 12-Apr-14 Newcastle Utd 27,400 21 12-Jan-14 Liverpool 27,160 32 29-Mar-14 Hull City 27,029 30 15-Mar-14 West Ham United 27,015 28 01-Mar-14 Arsenal 26,711 24 01-Feb-14 Manchester Utd 26,547 6 29-Sep-13 Norwich City 26,184 10 02-Nov-13 Southampton 26,053 36 26-Apr-14 Tottenham Hotspur 26,021 12 23-Nov-13 Sunderland 26,007 17 21-Dec-13 Aston Villa 26,003 8 19-Oct-13 West Bromwich Albion 25,904 20 01-Jan-14 Everton 25,832 2 24-Aug-13 Crystal Palace 25,270 15 07-Dec-13 Chelsea 25,154 4 14-Sep-13 Manchester City 25,052 14 04-Dec-13 Cardiff City 25,014 26 12-Feb-14 Swansea City 24,822 No way was there 24k v Swansea mate as it was the storm night 17k max Irrelevant I know ( smiley ) There were loads more there than that Wez, only a few pussies didn't brave the breeze!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 11:55:03 GMT
No way was there 24k v Swansea mate as it was the storm night 17k max Irrelevant I know ( smiley ) There were loads more there than that Wez, only a few pussies didn't brave the breeze!
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Post by brudda on Jul 22, 2014 12:12:09 GMT
Do people think every game would be subsidised?
They would do like the others clubs do, and make our lowest attendance games cheaper eg sunderland away whereas free travel affects every game. Stop moaning.
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Post by foreverredandwhite on Jul 22, 2014 12:29:04 GMT
I think we should get the supporters council involved: - * Away ticket prices capped at £5 * £5 price to include free pie and 5 drinks * Free travel to all away games, including collection from house and return to doorstep * Free alcohol and food on executive coach * Jennifer Anniston on bus for blowies (Brad Pitt for the ladies) * Guaranteed 3 points from the match, or a full ticket refund * Personal masseuse for each fan behind seat in stadium * Jennifer Anniston back for half time activities * Immediate refreshments at half time without any queueing whatsoever (or a full ticket refund) * The club takes responsibility to contact all fans' place of work to arrange time off to allow access to ALL games * The club guarantees the sun will always be out on matchday Some fucker draw up the petition, lets get some bastarding signatures on board and lets sort this fucking disgrace of a situation out, once and for all. Hahahahahahaha Made my day^^
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 22, 2014 13:04:23 GMT
Yes seriously, i like to make my own way to away games and travel the way i find more comfortable so this scheme will achieve nothing for me. Plus you have to make your way to the stadium so technically it's not free travel unless they can pick me up in Kidsgrove. So what youre saying is you have the chance to save £20 but are choosing not to take it, therefore its your fault youre not saving the money, not the clubs!!!! The club is offering something that's of no use to me so how is that my fault? I travel by the train as it has toilets,you can stretch your legs and have a drink if you so desire and as a grown man I make the choice that is right for me. You also get to see new places you haven't seen before the coaches normally go straight to the venue so like I said discounted match day tickets reward ALL not some.
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 22, 2014 13:14:38 GMT
So what youre saying is you have the chance to save £20 but are choosing not to take it, therefore its your fault youre not saving the money, not the clubs!!!! The club is offering something that's of no use to me so how is that my fault? I travel by the train as it has toilets,you can stretch your legs and have a drink if you so desire and as a grown man I make the choice that is right for me. You also get to see new places you haven't seen before the coaches normally go straight to the venue so like I said discounted match day tickets reward ALL not some. But the coaches have toilets too: oh, hang on, the preflight briefing said summat about no poo in the loo ! Malcolm, I understood the inclusion of season tickets in the attendance, I was just clarifying the situation for my fellow moaner
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