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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:29:16 GMT
Pulis had some strangeness with some signings and Plassy was certainly one of the strangeness ones. I don't often defend Pulis but he thought just like the vast majority on here (me included) that he would be the answer to our midfield problems at the time when all we had was Dean Whitehead etc . i think it came to a surprise to him how shot he was and i'd say more to blame would be Tones mate Harry for not being honest with him at the time. If Harry Redknapp told me that today was monday id go and check.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:54:49 GMT
Don't bother Sheik, Carpslayer is on every pointless thread arguing with folks, the new Slogger/************** ? How would you know this ?, unless of course you are also on every pointless thread I am happy to keep well away from the like of you. Carry on fishing. Laughing at your own 'jokes' says it all.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 21, 2014 15:01:07 GMT
How would you know this ?, unless of course you are also on every pointless thread I am happy to keep well away from the like of you. Carry on fishing. Laughing at your own 'jokes' says it all. Tbh it was not a joke plus I was laughing at you
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 15:01:27 GMT
He now has less than a year to run on his contract. I think unless a loan to a club willing to pay a significant proportion of his wages materialises, the answer is to pay up his contract and take the hit to our finances (£1.3 million ish?) That solves the problem of having him around but, of course, it does not help our situation under the Financial Fair Play rules as it does not free up any wages from the budget as the paid up contract counts as wages.
That was my point John - I was being facetious.
It's all very well saying we need to get him off the wage bill but there's really bugger all we can do about it, he has a contract with us and I'm pretty sure that'd we'd let him go on a free if somebody would take him.
Thing is,, nobody will.
The thing is Paul - if he doesn't make the 25 man squad, there isn't much point in keeping him at the club when he has only a season left on his contract. We'd be better paying it up and taking the hit rather than play him just in Cup games and as an overage player in development games. After all, supposing we kept him and he damaged a cruciate ligament in a development squad game - who'd have to pay for the op and all the rehab? Us! Best to pay up and make him a free agent. The ONLY saving grace would be if he has a career ending injury for which we could claim the balance of his contract off the insurance.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2014 15:03:08 GMT
I wonder if uncle Phil in Orlando could help us out?
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Post by Sweeper on Jul 21, 2014 15:09:19 GMT
I wonder if uncle Phil in Orlando could help us out? No use for that guy. Orlando already have two defensive midfielders signed for the MLS season and are trialing another right now. Unless Stoke was picking up his wage bill, Orlando couldn't afford him without using their last Designated Player slot on him. And given that he's nowhere near the quality of Kaka or Robinho or other stars that have been linked to Orlando, I can't see them agreeing to do that. If Stoke will pick up the wage bill such that he could count as a regular MLS contract, then I'm sure Orlando would think about given the Central American community in Florida that he might attract.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 15:10:29 GMT
I wonder if uncle Phil in Orlando could help us out? They don't join the MLS until next Spring by which time Palacios will be almost out of contract. Whilst they are in their present league they could probably only afford to pay him for a couple of months a season!
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 21, 2014 15:12:02 GMT
That was my point John - I was being facetious.
It's all very well saying we need to get him off the wage bill but there's really bugger all we can do about it, he has a contract with us and I'm pretty sure that'd we'd let him go on a free if somebody would take him.
Thing is,, nobody will.
The thing is Paul - if he doesn't make the 25 man squad, there isn't much point in keeping him at the club when he has only a season left on his contract. We'd be better paying it up and taking the hit rather than play him just in Cup games and as an overage player in development games. After all, supposing we kept him and he damaged a cruciate ligament in a development squad game - who'd have to pay for the op and all the rehab? Us! Best to pay up and make him a free agent. The ONLY saving grace would be if he has a career ending injury for which we could claim the balance of his contract off the insurance. You might be onto something there John. It's hard to see who would take a gamble on him now.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2014 15:33:45 GMT
That was my point John - I was being facetious.
It's all very well saying we need to get him off the wage bill but there's really bugger all we can do about it, he has a contract with us and I'm pretty sure that'd we'd let him go on a free if somebody would take him.
Thing is,, nobody will.
The thing is Paul - if he doesn't make the 25 man squad, there isn't much point in keeping him at the club when he has only a season left on his contract. We'd be better paying it up and taking the hit rather than play him just in Cup games and as an overage player in development games. After all, supposing we kept him and he damaged a cruciate ligament in a development squad game - who'd have to pay for the op and all the rehab? Us! Best to pay up and make him a free agent. The ONLY saving grace would be if he has a career ending injury for which we could claim the balance of his contract off the insurance. It'd be hard to see that one as he was kicking lumps out of people only a couple of weeks ago, unless that's how he did it of course...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 21, 2014 16:09:40 GMT
That was my point John - I was being facetious.
It's all very well saying we need to get him off the wage bill but there's really bugger all we can do about it, he has a contract with us and I'm pretty sure that'd we'd let him go on a free if somebody would take him.
Thing is,, nobody will.
The thing is Paul - if he doesn't make the 25 man squad, there isn't much point in keeping him at the club when he has only a season left on his contract. We'd be better paying it up and taking the hit rather than play him just in Cup games and as an overage player in development games. After all, supposing we kept him and he damaged a cruciate ligament in a development squad game - who'd have to pay for the op and all the rehab? Us! Best to pay up and make him a free agent. The ONLY saving grace would be if he has a career ending injury for which we could claim the balance of his contract off the insurance. You're kinda making my original point for me now mate. Paying up his entire contract now is hardly getting him off the wage bill, you're just giving him those wages earlier than you intended.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 16:16:17 GMT
The thing is Paul - if he doesn't make the 25 man squad, there isn't much point in keeping him at the club when he has only a season left on his contract. We'd be better paying it up and taking the hit rather than play him just in Cup games and as an overage player in development games. After all, supposing we kept him and he damaged a cruciate ligament in a development squad game - who'd have to pay for the op and all the rehab? Us! Best to pay up and make him a free agent. The ONLY saving grace would be if he has a career ending injury for which we could claim the balance of his contract off the insurance. You're kinda making my original point for me now mate. Paying up his entire contract now is hardly getting him off the wage bill, you're just giving him those wages earlier than you intended. Well it was my original point as well - as you'll see if you look at my posts! But, despite the fact that it doesn't improve our wage position vis a vis financial fair play or our budget; for the reasons I outlined above, if he doesn't make the 25 man squad then we'd be better off paying up his contract, than have him hanging around the club like a bad smell until the end of the season. EDIT: notice the use of the semi colon in mid sentence. When did you last see one of them in a post on the Oatcake?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 21, 2014 16:21:52 GMT
You're kinda making my original point for me now mate. Paying up his entire contract now is hardly getting him off the wage bill, you're just giving him those wages earlier than you intended. Well it was my original point as well - as you'll see if you look at my posts! But, despite the fact that it doesn't improve our wage position vis a vis financial fair play or our budget; for the reasons I outlined above, if he doesn't make the 25 man squad then we'd be better off paying up his contract, than have him hanging around the club like a bad smell until the end of the season. EDIT: notice the use of the semi colon in mid sentence. When did you last see one of them in a post on the Oatcake? Wouldn't disagree with any of that mate, I was disagreeing with March's suggestion that we need to get him off the wage bill asap. My point was that we can't.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 21, 2014 16:27:27 GMT
Gutted. The worst deal in our PL history.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 16:42:03 GMT
No such thing as "getting him off the wage bill" anymore.
You either pay them up lump or per month. Either way it goes against the accounts.
We're stuck with him...pie bill n all.
I'm so depressed I could just smash down a dozen meat and taters in his honour.
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Post by onionman on Jul 21, 2014 16:50:54 GMT
No such thing as "getting him off the wage bill" anymore. You either pay them up lump or per month. Either way it goes against the accounts. We're stuck with him...pie bill n all. I'm so depressed I could just smash down a dozen meat and taters in his honour. Surely he pays for his own pies? If he didn't, there's no way our latest accounts would have looked so comparatively healthy.
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Post by owdestokie on Jul 21, 2014 18:54:23 GMT
Perhaps he'll retire on medical grounds and take a wedge of insurance money
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Post by harrysburrow on Jul 21, 2014 19:07:51 GMT
I knew - he's got his goolies in a tangle again.
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Post by iplayinthehole on Jul 21, 2014 19:14:14 GMT
Maybe it's the final straw which will act as a much needed kick up the arse to turn things around
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Jul 21, 2014 19:27:30 GMT
Nightmare absolute freeking nightmare. This guy ranks with Keith Scott as a disaster signing, and now I think we are stuck with him. Can't blame him it is the club who are at fault for signing him in the first place. God alone knows what TP was thinking of, Harry must still be laughing now.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2014 20:58:57 GMT
He's meeting up with the rest of the squad according to the OS
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2014 6:44:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 6:49:13 GMT
Wonderful news....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 22, 2014 7:07:09 GMT
I reckon the best we could hope for now is a loan deal or a free transfer,possibly with some wage subsidy. It smacks of Demba Ba. Once we reported the failed medical, Hoffenheim were f**cked and had to off load him for virtually nothing to West Ham.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 22, 2014 10:05:39 GMT
He's meeting up with the rest of the squad according to the OSWhatever for? Let's put in an insurance claim as he clearly is not fit for purpose and make him retire!
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Post by Gods on Jul 22, 2014 10:15:09 GMT
Do we know why he failed the medical and if not are we ever likely to find out and if so when?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 22, 2014 10:18:48 GMT
Do we know why he failed the medical and if not are we ever likely to find out and if so when? Dodgy knee just like Ba, get rid now!
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Post by Gods on Jul 22, 2014 10:22:07 GMT
I wonder if uncle Phil in Orlando could help us out? Orlando City and their owners don't give a flying fuck about Stoke City. They have signed an alliance with Benfica and as a result have just taken 4 of their players on loan to given them experience. It's fanciful to think they would take a clapped out crock of our hands to somehow do us a favour. Flavio and Phil are businessmen first and foremost and their #1 priority is Flavio and Phil and not Stoke City. It's something we should really start to accept even if it does not represent the world as we would like it to be.
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Post by howedy on Jul 22, 2014 10:25:09 GMT
Never understood this pure hatred towards Palacios.
Under pulis he wasn't given the chance to play. Simple as, pulis loved Deano, Whelan, N'Zonzi etc too much to take them out. I dont remember him playing particularly poor when he DID play for us under Pulis. Even last season i thought he played quite well. But now we really do have a solid midfield. Its not his fault stoke overpaid for him. And im not surprised he has a desire to leave, wouldnt anyone else in his position?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 22, 2014 10:28:17 GMT
Never understood this pure hatred towards Palacios. Under pulis he wasn't given the chance to play. Simple as, pulis loved Deano, Whelan, N'Zonzi etc too much to take them out. I dont remember him playing particularly poor when he DID play for us under Pulis. Even last season i thought he played quite well. But now we really do have a solid midfield. Its not his fault stoke overpaid for him. And im not surprised he has a desire to leave, wouldnt anyone else in his position? He is far too slow and strolls about like a crab on Horlicks that's why. Simply not good enough or dynamic enough!
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Post by howedy on Jul 22, 2014 10:32:17 GMT
Is that a reason to despise him? We've had much worse players at the club that haven't been grilled like Palacios
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