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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 10, 2014 10:53:02 GMT
4 FA Cup finals, 5 League Cup finals including 3 wins, and 47 seasons in the top flight would suggest they have as good, if not stronger, shout to be there than we do. how far do you want to go back? what sticks in my claw is that they are owned by thai owners who have pumped in millions when many thai people are struggling to feed themselves. That's got to be up there with 'Jesus hates Christ'
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 10, 2014 10:57:23 GMT
I know a couple of Leicester fans, and I'm pleased for them as mates. However... Until the millions that their creditors were cheated out of as a result of Leicester's profligacy are repaid in full, they shouldn't be allowed in the Football League. Same goes for the all the others who've used administration as a way of wiping the slate clean, but Leicester were the trailblazers for this practice. When you're all square with everyone you owe, you can come back in. Harsh, draconian even, but it might help prevent some clubs from being so cavalier with imaginary money; the 10-point deduction is almost meaningless. That's nonsense. There were over 25 other clubs that went into adminstration before City were forced into it in 2002, and since then there have been more than 30 others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_(British_football). The reasons Leicester went into administration are many, and few of them to be proud of, but it was not a way of "wiping the slate clean" in the way that you suggest. Administration is a way of keeping a business running as a going concern - that's why it was introduced in the first place. It is the creditors who agree to put the business into administration, and in City's case it was a process initiated by Eric Hall, who wanted the club to pay up Denis Wise's contract, despite the fact that he had been summarily dismissed for breaking the jaw of a sleeping team mate. Hall took City to the High Court and although he eventually lost his case, the administration went ahead. There is no obligation on the business to repay all of its creditors (if that were possible, the business wouldn't need administration in the first place) although in the case of Leicester City, the majority of creditors were repaid. That is more than can be said for most of the other clubs who have been put into administraton over the past 30 years. The idea that City somehow "cheated" was not mentioned at the time of the administration (unsurprisingly, given that it's not true), nor even when the club's promotion was assured at the end of that season. That only came about after Sheffield United (who finished third, more than ten points behind City) were beaten in the play-off finals, and their manager said that City should have been thrown out of the league, and Sheffield United promoted in their place. The manager in question was Neil Warnock, who was doing what he always does when his teams lose: blames everyone except himself. If you want to be a cheerleader for that poisonous cretin, be my guest. I have more self-respect. Tell us more about the wise jaw incident, can't remember that
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Post by languedocfox on May 10, 2014 15:17:20 GMT
That's nonsense. There were over 25 other clubs that went into adminstration before City were forced into it in 2002, and since then there have been more than 30 others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_(British_football). The reasons Leicester went into administration are many, and few of them to be proud of, but it was not a way of "wiping the slate clean" in the way that you suggest. Administration is a way of keeping a business running as a going concern - that's why it was introduced in the first place. It is the creditors who agree to put the business into administration, and in City's case it was a process initiated by Eric Hall, who wanted the club to pay up Denis Wise's contract, despite the fact that he had been summarily dismissed for breaking the jaw of a sleeping team mate. Hall took City to the High Court and although he eventually lost his case, the administration went ahead. There is no obligation on the business to repay all of its creditors (if that were possible, the business wouldn't need administration in the first place) although in the case of Leicester City, the majority of creditors were repaid. That is more than can be said for most of the other clubs who have been put into administraton over the past 30 years. The idea that City somehow "cheated" was not mentioned at the time of the administration (unsurprisingly, given that it's not true), nor even when the club's promotion was assured at the end of that season. That only came about after Sheffield United (who finished third, more than ten points behind City) were beaten in the play-off finals, and their manager said that City should have been thrown out of the league, and Sheffield United promoted in their place. The manager in question was Neil Warnock, who was doing what he always does when his teams lose: blames everyone except himself. If you want to be a cheerleader for that poisonous cretin, be my guest. I have more self-respect. Tell us more about the wise jaw incident, can't remember that Dennis Wise was one of Peter Taylor's many disastrous signings, and in lots of ways he was the worst of the lot - worse, even, than Ade Akinbiyi. We signed him from Chelsea for £1.6 million in June 2001, and he was apparently on something like £35 grand a week (that was the kind of stupidity that got us into administration just over a year later). He only played 17 times over the season, and he was awful: he insisted on taking every set-piece, despite the fact that he was crap at them, and he scored once. We were relegated at the end of the season, and he was apparently told that he was going to be put on the transfer list because we needed to get the wage bill down. In July 2002, the City team (including Wise) went on a pre-season tour of Finland. While they were on the tour, Wise got into an argument with a City player (not sure who) over a game of cards, and Callum Davidson, one of our defenders, intervened to break up it up. The players then all went off to bed, but in the middle of the night, Wise somehow got into Davidson's room, and beat him up while he was sleeping, hitting him so hard that he broke his jaw and nose. The club immediately suspended Wise and, after an independent inquiry, sacked him for gross misconduct. Callum Davidson decided - wrongly in my opinion - not to press charges, and Wise appealed against his dismissal. The PFA supported him, and the Football League tribunal then said that Wise had been unfairly dismissed, and should be reinstated and just fined two-weeks' wages (ie, £70K). This was based in part that Callum Davidson had not pressed charges, so it was just a bit of horseplay or some such garbage. City refused to reinstate him and appealed against the League tribunal decision, which they won. However, Wise's agent, Eric Hall, took City to the High Court demanding payment of Wise's contract in full, and the balance of his (Hall's) percentage on the transfer deal. It wasn't the only thing by a long way, but it was that which forced City into administration - although Hall and Wise both lost their High Court plea. Wise is a revolting little turd, and I am ashamed of the fact that he ever wore a Leicester City shirt.
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Post by march4 on May 10, 2014 15:38:29 GMT
Tell us more about the wise jaw incident, can't remember that Dennis Wise was one of Peter Taylor's many disastrous signings, and in lots of ways he was the worst of the lot - worse, even, than Ade Akinbiyi. We signed him from Chelsea for £1.6 million in June 2001, and he was apparently on something like £35 grand a week (that was the kind of stupidity that got us into administration just over a year later). He only played 17 times over the season, and he was awful: he insisted on taking every set-piece, despite the fact that he was crap at them, and he scored once. We were relegated at the end of the season, and he was apparently told that he was going to be put on the transfer list because we needed to get the wage bill down. In July 2002, the City team (including Wise) went on a pre-season tour of Finland. While they were on the tour, Wise got into an argument with a City player (not sure who) over a game of cards, and Callum Davidson, one of our defenders, intervened to break up it up. The players then all went off to bed, but in the middle of the night, Wise somehow got into Davidson's room, and beat him up while he was sleeping, hitting him so hard that he broke his jaw and nose. The club immediately suspended Wise and, after an independent inquiry, sacked him for gross misconduct. Callum Davidson decided - wrongly in my opinion - not to press charges, and Wise appealed against his dismissal. The PFA supported him, and the Football League tribunal then said that Wise had been unfairly dismissed, and should be reinstated and just fined two-weeks' wages (ie, £70K). This was based in part that Callum Davidson had not pressed charges, so it was just a bit of horseplay or some such garbage. City refused to reinstate him and appealed against the League tribunal decision, which they won. However, Wise's agent, Eric Hall, took City to the High Court demanding payment of Wise's contract in full, and the balance of his (Hall's) percentage on the transfer deal. It wasn't the only thing by a long way, but it was that which forced City into administration - although Hall and Wise both lost their High Court plea. Wise is a revolting little turd, and I am ashamed of the fact that he ever wore a Leicester City shirt. Good to see you on here. I do have to say that your average football fan believes Leicester did cheat themselves out of debt and it has left a legacy that the club hasn't yet shaken off. I know that is an over simplistic view of what happened, but the press coverage at the time undoubtedly did the club's reputation a lot of damage. I thought the cup tie between us was an interesting game as both sides rested some regulars and consequently, I'm not sure it gives many pointers to next season. Your manager now becomes the key person at your club. Cardiff had a good manager who was allowed to spend a fortune. All should have been well, but he wasted the money and with their owner's interference they have been relegated. When we came up, Pulis made some good and some poor signings. To us, it was the January transfer window that was vital as without the 2 players we brought in I think we would have gone down. When we came up, it was the Champions West Brom who went back down. It seems that some clubs who finish top overestimate the strength of their squads and realise too late that they are in trouble. From our promotion team, the new and successful signings were; keeper, centre back, centre forward, left winger and left back (all very experienced in the Prem). That is half the team including the spine. We also had the chaos that Rory Delap caused to Premiership defenders. And of course, Pulis generated a siege mentality that galvanised fans and players and made us difficult opponents, at home. Get it right and mid-table awaits. Good luck, although we'll be keen to take 6 points off you!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 15:50:39 GMT
Tell us more about the wise jaw incident, can't remember that Dennis Wise was one of Peter Taylor's many disastrous signings, and in lots of ways he was the worst of the lot - worse, even, than Ade Akinbiyi. We signed him from Chelsea for £1.6 million in June 2001, and he was apparently on something like £35 grand a week (that was the kind of stupidity that got us into administration just over a year later). He only played 17 times over the season, and he was awful: he insisted on taking every set-piece, despite the fact that he was crap at them, and he scored once. We were relegated at the end of the season, and he was apparently told that he was going to be put on the transfer list because we needed to get the wage bill down. In July 2002, the City team (including Wise) went on a pre-season tour of Finland. While they were on the tour, Wise got into an argument with a City player (not sure who) over a game of cards, and Callum Davidson, one of our defenders, intervened to break up it up. The players then all went off to bed, but in the middle of the night, Wise somehow got into Davidson's room, and beat him up while he was sleeping, hitting him so hard that he broke his jaw and nose. The club immediately suspended Wise and, after an independent inquiry, sacked him for gross misconduct. Callum Davidson decided - wrongly in my opinion - not to press charges, and Wise appealed against his dismissal. The PFA supported him, and the Football League tribunal then said that Wise had been unfairly dismissed, and should be reinstated and just fined two-weeks' wages (ie, £70K). This was based in part that Callum Davidson had not pressed charges, so it was just a bit of horseplay or some such garbage. City refused to reinstate him and appealed against the League tribunal decision, which they won. However, Wise's agent, Eric Hall, took City to the High Court demanding payment of Wise's contract in full, and the balance of his (Hall's) percentage on the transfer deal. It wasn't the only thing by a long way, but it was that which forced City into administration - although Hall and Wise both lost their High Court plea. Wise is a revolting little turd, and I am ashamed of the fact that he ever wore a Leicester City shirt. Great story, except you're known to everybody as 'Leicester City' not 'City'.
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Post by languedocfox on May 10, 2014 20:10:53 GMT
Dennis Wise was one of Peter Taylor's many disastrous signings, and in lots of ways he was the worst of the lot - worse, even, than Ade Akinbiyi. We signed him from Chelsea for £1.6 million in June 2001, and he was apparently on something like £35 grand a week (that was the kind of stupidity that got us into administration just over a year later). He only played 17 times over the season, and he was awful: he insisted on taking every set-piece, despite the fact that he was crap at them, and he scored once. We were relegated at the end of the season, and he was apparently told that he was going to be put on the transfer list because we needed to get the wage bill down. In July 2002, the City team (including Wise) went on a pre-season tour of Finland. While they were on the tour, Wise got into an argument with a City player (not sure who) over a game of cards, and Callum Davidson, one of our defenders, intervened to break up it up. The players then all went off to bed, but in the middle of the night, Wise somehow got into Davidson's room, and beat him up while he was sleeping, hitting him so hard that he broke his jaw and nose. The club immediately suspended Wise and, after an independent inquiry, sacked him for gross misconduct. Callum Davidson decided - wrongly in my opinion - not to press charges, and Wise appealed against his dismissal. The PFA supported him, and the Football League tribunal then said that Wise had been unfairly dismissed, and should be reinstated and just fined two-weeks' wages (ie, £70K). This was based in part that Callum Davidson had not pressed charges, so it was just a bit of horseplay or some such garbage. City refused to reinstate him and appealed against the League tribunal decision, which they won. However, Wise's agent, Eric Hall, took City to the High Court demanding payment of Wise's contract in full, and the balance of his (Hall's) percentage on the transfer deal. It wasn't the only thing by a long way, but it was that which forced City into administration - although Hall and Wise both lost their High Court plea. Wise is a revolting little turd, and I am ashamed of the fact that he ever wore a Leicester City shirt. Great story, except you're known to everybody as 'Leicester City' not 'City'. I think you will find that Manchester, Exeter, Hull, Norwich, Cardiff and Swansea all stole the "City" bit from us when no-one was looking. We allowed Stoke to use it because we are really nice people. No, honestly. It's true. Really.
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Post by languedocfox on May 10, 2014 20:25:38 GMT
Dennis Wise was one of Peter Taylor's many disastrous signings, and in lots of ways he was the worst of the lot - worse, even, than Ade Akinbiyi. We signed him from Chelsea for £1.6 million in June 2001, and he was apparently on something like £35 grand a week (that was the kind of stupidity that got us into administration just over a year later). He only played 17 times over the season, and he was awful: he insisted on taking every set-piece, despite the fact that he was crap at them, and he scored once. We were relegated at the end of the season, and he was apparently told that he was going to be put on the transfer list because we needed to get the wage bill down. In July 2002, the City team (including Wise) went on a pre-season tour of Finland. While they were on the tour, Wise got into an argument with a City player (not sure who) over a game of cards, and Callum Davidson, one of our defenders, intervened to break up it up. The players then all went off to bed, but in the middle of the night, Wise somehow got into Davidson's room, and beat him up while he was sleeping, hitting him so hard that he broke his jaw and nose. The club immediately suspended Wise and, after an independent inquiry, sacked him for gross misconduct. Callum Davidson decided - wrongly in my opinion - not to press charges, and Wise appealed against his dismissal. The PFA supported him, and the Football League tribunal then said that Wise had been unfairly dismissed, and should be reinstated and just fined two-weeks' wages (ie, £70K). This was based in part that Callum Davidson had not pressed charges, so it was just a bit of horseplay or some such garbage. City refused to reinstate him and appealed against the League tribunal decision, which they won. However, Wise's agent, Eric Hall, took City to the High Court demanding payment of Wise's contract in full, and the balance of his (Hall's) percentage on the transfer deal. It wasn't the only thing by a long way, but it was that which forced City into administration - although Hall and Wise both lost their High Court plea. Wise is a revolting little turd, and I am ashamed of the fact that he ever wore a Leicester City shirt. Good to see you on here. I do have to say that your average football fan believes Leicester did cheat themselves out of debt and it has left a legacy that the club hasn't yet shaken off. I know that is an over simplistic view of what happened, but the press coverage at the time undoubtedly did the club's reputation a lot of damage. I thought the cup tie between us was an interesting game as both sides rested some regulars and consequently, I'm not sure it gives many pointers to next season. Your manager now becomes the key person at your club. Cardiff had a good manager who was allowed to spend a fortune. All should have been well, but he wasted the money and with their owner's interference they have been relegated. When we came up, Pulis made some good and some poor signings. To us, it was the January transfer window that was vital as without the 2 players we brought in I think we would have gone down. When we came up, it was the Champions West Brom who went back down. It seems that some clubs who finish top overestimate the strength of their squads and realise too late that they are in trouble. From our promotion team, the new and successful signings were; keeper, centre back, centre forward, left winger and left back (all very experienced in the Prem). That is half the team including the spine. We also had the chaos that Rory Delap caused to Premiership defenders. And of course, Pulis generated a siege mentality that galvanised fans and players and made us difficult opponents, at home. Get it right and mid-table awaits. Good luck, although we'll be keen to take 6 points off you! Thanks. As I said, I think the coverage of Leicester City's administration was - and continues to be - unfair, given that so many other clubs have been forced into it. I knew a lot of the people involved with the club at the time, and the anguish was very real: it bore no comparison at all to what happened with Ken Bates at Leeds, or with Portsmouth's serial administrations, but no-one seems to worry about those. All the cheers when the Portsmouth supporters took over the club (after three administrations) really stuck in the craw. But whatever. I think that the reason for the crap hurled at Leicester City is the fact that we were promoted that same season. As I said, it all kicked off with Colin prosing on about how Sheff U should have been promoted in our place. Very few people recognise that the reason we managed to get promotion is that the second tier was so god-awful - which is why we only lasted a year in the Prem before we went back down. I think we will find it hard next season, but as I've said, we have the right manager, owners and - largely - playing squad. I think Pearson will sign maybe three or four players over the summer, and another couple in January, and they will be good players as well. We do seem to have a really good scouting network. And from what the owners have said, even if we get relegated, they will stick with Pearson, on the basis that he can bring us immediately back up. Easy for them to say now, of course, but I think they would be right to do so. We'll see. I've got a Stokie mate down here (and a Saints fan, and a real Man U fan) and we've agreed that whenever there's a televised match involving one of the four teams, we will meet up at the house of whoever is the "home" fan to watch it, and drink lots of red wine. There's going to be trouble. Trust me.
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Post by Squeekster on May 10, 2014 20:30:30 GMT
Anyone who lets Dennis "little" cockney Wise hit then in their sleep then not kick the shit out of him when they wake and find out who it was should be ashamed of them selves!
I see we had no problem with Wise down the Brit and one of your boys,GT, soon put him in his place,he was playing for Millwall at the time though and absolutely shat his shorts on the day!
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Post by Squeekster on May 10, 2014 20:38:03 GMT
Good to see you on here. I do have to say that your average football fan believes Leicester did cheat themselves out of debt and it has left a legacy that the club hasn't yet shaken off. I know that is an over simplistic view of what happened, but the press coverage at the time undoubtedly did the club's reputation a lot of damage. I thought the cup tie between us was an interesting game as both sides rested some regulars and consequently, I'm not sure it gives many pointers to next season. Your manager now becomes the key person at your club. Cardiff had a good manager who was allowed to spend a fortune. All should have been well, but he wasted the money and with their owner's interference they have been relegated. When we came up, Pulis made some good and some poor signings. To us, it was the January transfer window that was vital as without the 2 players we brought in I think we would have gone down. When we came up, it was the Champions West Brom who went back down. It seems that some clubs who finish top overestimate the strength of their squads and realise too late that they are in trouble. From our promotion team, the new and successful signings were; keeper, centre back, centre forward, left winger and left back (all very experienced in the Prem). That is half the team including the spine. We also had the chaos that Rory Delap caused to Premiership defenders. And of course, Pulis generated a siege mentality that galvanised fans and players and made us difficult opponents, at home. Get it right and mid-table awaits. Good luck, although we'll be keen to take 6 points off you! Thanks. As I said, I think the coverage of Leicester City's administration was - and continues to be - unfair, given that so many other clubs have been forced into it. I knew a lot of the people involved with the club at the time, and the anguish was very real: it bore no comparison at all to what happened with Ken Bates at Leeds, or with Portsmouth's serial administrations, but no-one seems to worry about those. All the cheers when the Portsmouth supporters took over the club (after three administrations) really stuck in the craw. But whatever. I think that the reason for the crap hurled at Leicester City is the fact that we were promoted that same season. As I said, it all kicked off with Colin prosing on about how Sheff U should have been promoted in our place. Very few people recognise that the reason we managed to get promotion is that the second tier was so god-awful - which is why we only lasted a year in the Prem before we went back down. I think we will find it hard next season, but as I've said, we have the right manager, owners and - largely - playing squad. I think Pearson will sign maybe three or four players over the summer, and another couple in January, and they will be good players as well. We do seem to have a really good scouting network. And from what the owners have said, even if we get relegated, they will stick with Pearson, on the basis that he can bring us immediately back up. Easy for them to say now, of course, but I think they would be right to do so. We'll see. I've got a Stokie mate down here (and a Saints fan, and a real Man U fan) and we've agreed that whenever there's a televised match involving one of the four teams, we will meet up at the house of whoever is the "home" fan to watch it, and drink lots of red wine. There's going to be trouble. Trust me. That's all well and good but after all that they then go out and build a brand new stadium in the same time as admin takes the piss!
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Post by Squeekster on May 10, 2014 20:39:56 GMT
Good to see you on here. I do have to say that your average football fan believes Leicester did cheat themselves out of debt and it has left a legacy that the club hasn't yet shaken off. I know that is an over simplistic view of what happened, but the press coverage at the time undoubtedly did the club's reputation a lot of damage. I thought the cup tie between us was an interesting game as both sides rested some regulars and consequently, I'm not sure it gives many pointers to next season. Your manager now becomes the key person at your club. Cardiff had a good manager who was allowed to spend a fortune. All should have been well, but he wasted the money and with their owner's interference they have been relegated. When we came up, Pulis made some good and some poor signings. To us, it was the January transfer window that was vital as without the 2 players we brought in I think we would have gone down. When we came up, it was the Champions West Brom who went back down. It seems that some clubs who finish top overestimate the strength of their squads and realise too late that they are in trouble. From our promotion team, the new and successful signings were; keeper, centre back, centre forward, left winger and left back (all very experienced in the Prem). That is half the team including the spine. We also had the chaos that Rory Delap caused to Premiership defenders. And of course, Pulis generated a siege mentality that galvanised fans and players and made us difficult opponents, at home. Get it right and mid-table awaits. Good luck, although we'll be keen to take 6 points off you! Thanks. As I said, I think the coverage of Leicester City's administration was - and continues to be - unfair, given that so many other clubs have been forced into it. I knew a lot of the people involved with the club at the time, and the anguish was very real: it bore no comparison at all to what happened with Ken Bates at Leeds, or with Portsmouth's serial administrations, but no-one seems to worry about those. All the cheers when the Portsmouth supporters took over the club (after three administrations) really stuck in the craw. But whatever. I think that the reason for the crap hurled at Leicester City is the fact that we were promoted that same season. As I said, it all kicked off with Colin prosing on about how Sheff U should have been promoted in our place. Very few people recognise that the reason we managed to get promotion is that the second tier was so god-awful - which is why we only lasted a year in the Prem before we went back down. I think we will find it hard next season, but as I've said, we have the right manager, owners and - largely - playing squad. I think Pearson will sign maybe three or four players over the summer, and another couple in January, and they will be good players as well. We do seem to have a really good scouting network. And from what the owners have said, even if we get relegated, they will stick with Pearson, on the basis that he can bring us immediately back up. Easy for them to say now, of course, but I think they would be right to do so. We'll see. I've got a Stokie mate down here (and a Saints fan, and a real Man U fan) and we've agreed that whenever there's a televised match involving one of the four teams, we will meet up at the house of whoever is the "home" fan to watch it, and drink lots of red wine. There's going to be trouble. Trust me. That's all well and good but after all that they then go out and build a brand new stadium in the same time as admin takes the piss!
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Post by march4 on May 10, 2014 20:55:15 GMT
Good to see you on here. I do have to say that your average football fan believes Leicester did cheat themselves out of debt and it has left a legacy that the club hasn't yet shaken off. I know that is an over simplistic view of what happened, but the press coverage at the time undoubtedly did the club's reputation a lot of damage. I thought the cup tie between us was an interesting game as both sides rested some regulars and consequently, I'm not sure it gives many pointers to next season. Your manager now becomes the key person at your club. Cardiff had a good manager who was allowed to spend a fortune. All should have been well, but he wasted the money and with their owner's interference they have been relegated. When we came up, Pulis made some good and some poor signings. To us, it was the January transfer window that was vital as without the 2 players we brought in I think we would have gone down. When we came up, it was the Champions West Brom who went back down. It seems that some clubs who finish top overestimate the strength of their squads and realise too late that they are in trouble. From our promotion team, the new and successful signings were; keeper, centre back, centre forward, left winger and left back (all very experienced in the Prem). That is half the team including the spine. We also had the chaos that Rory Delap caused to Premiership defenders. And of course, Pulis generated a siege mentality that galvanised fans and players and made us difficult opponents, at home. Get it right and mid-table awaits. Good luck, although we'll be keen to take 6 points off you! Thanks. As I said, I think the coverage of Leicester City's administration was - and continues to be - unfair, given that so many other clubs have been forced into it. I knew a lot of the people involved with the club at the time, and the anguish was very real: it bore no comparison at all to what happened with Ken Bates at Leeds, or with Portsmouth's serial administrations, but no-one seems to worry about those. All the cheers when the Portsmouth supporters took over the club (after three administrations) really stuck in the craw. But whatever. I think that the reason for the crap hurled at Leicester City is the fact that we were promoted that same season. As I said, it all kicked off with Colin prosing on about how Sheff U should have been promoted in our place. Very few people recognise that the reason we managed to get promotion is that the second tier was so god-awful - which is why we only lasted a year in the Prem before we went back down. I think we will find it hard next season, but as I've said, we have the right manager, owners and - largely - playing squad. I think Pearson will sign maybe three or four players over the summer, and another couple in January, and they will be good players as well. We do seem to have a really good scouting network. And from what the owners have said, even if we get relegated, they will stick with Pearson, on the basis that he can bring us immediately back up. Easy for them to say now, of course, but I think they would be right to do so. We'll see. I've got a Stokie mate down here (and a Saints fan, and a real Man U fan) and we've agreed that whenever there's a televised match involving one of the four teams, we will meet up at the house of whoever is the "home" fan to watch it, and drink lots of red wine. There's going to be trouble. Trust me. Good post Pearson was our first team coach a while ago. He was well regarded although it has perhaps come as a surprise the success he has had with you. We lost our first match in the Prem, 3-1 away at Bolton when Kevin Davies bullied the life out of us. Paddy Power stopped taking bets on us going down after one match and there were plenty of pundits saying we would do well to match Derby's low points record. I think we had the last laugh. Hull have just come up, finishing mid-table and reaching the cup final. We had been out of the top flight for 23 years, Hull have had a smaller gap and you are somewhere in the middle. Hull have brought in plenty of Prem experience to stay up and I think that was our secret. It will be interesting to see who you buy. Our costliest signings didn't really help us whereas some of the cheaper ones were the players who kept us up (eg Sorensen in goal was a free). Would you mind if we beat you at Wembley next May to claim the FA Cup??
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Post by languedocfox on May 10, 2014 21:04:25 GMT
Thanks. As I said, I think the coverage of Leicester City's administration was - and continues to be - unfair, given that so many other clubs have been forced into it. I knew a lot of the people involved with the club at the time, and the anguish was very real: it bore no comparison at all to what happened with Ken Bates at Leeds, or with Portsmouth's serial administrations, but no-one seems to worry about those. All the cheers when the Portsmouth supporters took over the club (after three administrations) really stuck in the craw. But whatever. I think that the reason for the crap hurled at Leicester City is the fact that we were promoted that same season. As I said, it all kicked off with Colin prosing on about how Sheff U should have been promoted in our place. Very few people recognise that the reason we managed to get promotion is that the second tier was so god-awful - which is why we only lasted a year in the Prem before we went back down. I think we will find it hard next season, but as I've said, we have the right manager, owners and - largely - playing squad. I think Pearson will sign maybe three or four players over the summer, and another couple in January, and they will be good players as well. We do seem to have a really good scouting network. And from what the owners have said, even if we get relegated, they will stick with Pearson, on the basis that he can bring us immediately back up. Easy for them to say now, of course, but I think they would be right to do so. We'll see. I've got a Stokie mate down here (and a Saints fan, and a real Man U fan) and we've agreed that whenever there's a televised match involving one of the four teams, we will meet up at the house of whoever is the "home" fan to watch it, and drink lots of red wine. There's going to be trouble. Trust me. That's all well and good but after all that they then go out and build a brand new stadium in the same time as admin takes the piss! Sorry, but you are wrong again. The stadium was built before the administration. What happened was that in the mid-90s, the club realised (correctly) that Filbert Street was impossible to expand, and was in no shape to be upgraded to modern standards. To be honest, they could and should have realised this years before, and they farted around for three or four years before finding a site and starting the new build. Which, in the end, was a catastrophic delay. However, when the decision to go ahead with the new stadium was made, we were an established top-ten Premiership side with a good manager and an excellent commercial set-up. Between pushing the button and the stadium being finished, our good manager left for Celtic, and was replaced by a dickhead, and we ended up getting relegated. The last game in the old stadium was our last game in the Premiership, and most of the money on which the new-build had been predicated simply evaporated: in those days, there were no parachute payments, and we had a full squad of players on ridiculously high wages (which we could have afforded, if we hadn't been relegated). Just to put that in perspective, our manager has indicated that next season, the players' wages will be capped at £30K a week - which is 5K less than Dennis gobsh!te Wise was being paid 12 years ago. The club was pushed into administration about three months after the relegation (October or November 2002), when we were in the new stadium. We'd borrowed the money from a US pensions company called Teachers, to fund the build, and they took the stadium over following the administration. The club paid rent/interest to Teachers at some swingeing rate for the next ten years, until last season when our Thai owners bought it back. It is true that the stadium was one of the levers for the administration, but that could have been dealt with (in the way that it was, in the end). The biggest issue was the players' wages - and the Football Creditors rule which means that they had to be paid. But no-one ever mentions that stupidity.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 10, 2014 21:06:39 GMT
I think they will be OK. But they need to look at us as does anybody that comes up. We are the model
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Post by languedocfox on May 10, 2014 21:14:52 GMT
Thanks. As I said, I think the coverage of Leicester City's administration was - and continues to be - unfair, given that so many other clubs have been forced into it. I knew a lot of the people involved with the club at the time, and the anguish was very real: it bore no comparison at all to what happened with Ken Bates at Leeds, or with Portsmouth's serial administrations, but no-one seems to worry about those. All the cheers when the Portsmouth supporters took over the club (after three administrations) really stuck in the craw. But whatever. I think that the reason for the crap hurled at Leicester City is the fact that we were promoted that same season. As I said, it all kicked off with Colin prosing on about how Sheff U should have been promoted in our place. Very few people recognise that the reason we managed to get promotion is that the second tier was so god-awful - which is why we only lasted a year in the Prem before we went back down. I think we will find it hard next season, but as I've said, we have the right manager, owners and - largely - playing squad. I think Pearson will sign maybe three or four players over the summer, and another couple in January, and they will be good players as well. We do seem to have a really good scouting network. And from what the owners have said, even if we get relegated, they will stick with Pearson, on the basis that he can bring us immediately back up. Easy for them to say now, of course, but I think they would be right to do so. We'll see. I've got a Stokie mate down here (and a Saints fan, and a real Man U fan) and we've agreed that whenever there's a televised match involving one of the four teams, we will meet up at the house of whoever is the "home" fan to watch it, and drink lots of red wine. There's going to be trouble. Trust me. Good post Pearson was our first team coach a while ago. He was well regarded although it has perhaps come as a surprise the success he has had with you. We lost our first match in the Prem, 3-1 away at Bolton when Kevin Davies bullied the life out of us. Paddy Power stopped taking bets on us going down after one match and there were plenty of pundits saying we would do well to match Derby's low points record. I think we had the last laugh. Hull have just come up, finishing mid-table and reaching the cup final. We had been out of the top flight for 23 years, Hull have had a smaller gap and you are somewhere in the middle. Hull have brought in plenty of Prem experience to stay up and I think that was our secret. It will be interesting to see who you buy. Our costliest signings didn't really help us whereas some of the cheaper ones were the players who kept us up (eg Sorensen in goal was a free). Would you mind if we beat you at Wembley next May to claim the FA Cup?? Thanks again. I think Pearson is quite astonishing, given that he has only spent five full seasons as a manager in his entire managerial career. He spent two seasons with us (his first full seasons as a manager), during which he got us promoted as Champions from the third tier (after you guys sent us down) at the first attempt, and then got us to the play-offs in the second tier. Then Milan Mandaric (dickhead) eased him out, and he joined Hull, building the squad that got them promoted two years later. After 15 months there, our Thai owners enticed him back to replace Sven-Goran Eriksson, and he got us to ninth place. In his third full season with City he got us to the play-offs again, and then this year, he got us promoted as champions. Astonishing. I would prefer it if we beat you to win the FA Cup, being as we've lost in the final so many times; but you can beat us in the League Cup final instead. As long as we win the Premiership title, beating you into second place on the final day. And we meet in the Champions League Final the following season. No, I know. I'll get me coat.
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Post by march4 on May 10, 2014 21:16:21 GMT
Good post Pearson was our first team coach a while ago. He was well regarded although it has perhaps come as a surprise the success he has had with you. We lost our first match in the Prem, 3-1 away at Bolton when Kevin Davies bullied the life out of us. Paddy Power stopped taking bets on us going down after one match and there were plenty of pundits saying we would do well to match Derby's low points record. I think we had the last laugh. Hull have just come up, finishing mid-table and reaching the cup final. We had been out of the top flight for 23 years, Hull have had a smaller gap and you are somewhere in the middle. Hull have brought in plenty of Prem experience to stay up and I think that was our secret. It will be interesting to see who you buy. Our costliest signings didn't really help us whereas some of the cheaper ones were the players who kept us up (eg Sorensen in goal was a free). Would you mind if we beat you at Wembley next May to claim the FA Cup?? Thanks again. I think Pearson is quite astonishing, given that he has only spent five full seasons as a manager in his entire managerial career. He spent two seasons with us (his first full seasons as a manager), during which he got us promoted as Champions from the third tier (after you guys sent us down) at the first attempt, and then got us to the play-offs in the second tier. Then Milan Mandaric (dickhead) eased him out, and he joined Hull, building the squad that got them promoted two years later. After 15 months there, our Thai owners enticed him back to replace Sven-Goran Eriksson, and he got us to ninth place. In his third full season with City he got us to the play-offs again, and then this year, he got us promoted as champions. Astonishing. I would prefer it if we beat you to win the FA Cup, being as we've lost in the final so many times; but you can beat us in the League Cup final instead. As long as we win the Premiership title, beating you into second place on the final day. And we meet in the Champions League Final the following season. No, I know. I'll get me coat. Nice one
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Post by dexter97 on May 13, 2014 9:35:06 GMT
I know a couple of Leicester fans, and I'm pleased for them as mates. However... Until the millions that their creditors were cheated out of as a result of Leicester's profligacy are repaid in full, they shouldn't be allowed in the Football League. Same goes for the all the others who've used administration as a way of wiping the slate clean, but Leicester were the trailblazers for this practice. When you're all square with everyone you owe, you can come back in. Harsh, draconian even, but it might help prevent some clubs from being so cavalier with imaginary money; the 10-point deduction is almost meaningless. That's nonsense. There were over 25 other clubs that went into adminstration before City were forced into it in 2002, and since then there have been more than 30 others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_(British_football). Fair dos. The use of the word 'trailblazers' was perhaps a little harsh, so apologies for that; I wasn't aware of the number of clubs that had been in administration prior to Leicester. The amount of money involved in Leicester's case made it much higher-profile, I suppose. I'm quite aware of the number that have been in administration since, in fact I wouldn't have been surprised if you'd told me it was many more than 30. It doesn't alter my view about the sanctions that should be imposed on each and every one of those clubs. The reasons Leicester went into administration are many, and few of them to be proud of, but it was not a way of "wiping the slate clean" in the way that you suggest. Administration is a way of keeping a business running as a going concern - that's why it was introduced in the first place. It is the creditors who agree to put the business into administration, and in City's case it was a process initiated by Eric Hall, who wanted the club to pay up Denis Wise's contract, despite the fact that he had been summarily dismissed for breaking the jaw of a sleeping team mate. Hall took City to the High Court and although he eventually lost his case, the administration went ahead. There is no obligation on the business to repay all of its creditors (if that were possible, the business wouldn't need administration in the first place) although in the case of Leicester City, the majority of creditors were repaid. That is more than can be said for most of the other clubs who have been put into administraton over the past 30 years. I've had many dealings with (non-football) businesses that have been in administration over the last 20 years or so, so I'm fairly well-versed in how it all works. However you want to dress it up, administration is frequently used as a means to reduce the burden of debt on a company. While there is no legal obligation to repay creditors, there is (IMHO) a moral one, and I think there's a duty by the Premier League, Football League and FA to ensure that offending clubs don't simply get away with it. I'm interested in your assertion that "the majority of (Leicester's) creditors were repaid". Do you have any sources / figures on that? It would change my view to learn that the moral obligation of the club to pay its debts had been discharged. The idea that City somehow "cheated" was not mentioned at the time of the administration (unsurprisingly, given that it's not true), nor even when the club's promotion was assured at the end of that season. That only came about after Sheffield United (who finished third, more than ten points behind City) were beaten in the play-off finals, and their manager said that City should have been thrown out of the league, and Sheffield United promoted in their place. The manager in question was Neil Warnock, who was doing what he always does when his teams lose: blames everyone except himself. If you want to be a cheerleader for that poisonous cretin, be my guest. I have more self-respect. The idea that they cheated was mentioned quite a lot in discussions I had about it at the time. Leicester were living beyond their means, and rather than reduce costs in line with their income, they gambled on going straight back up to the Premier League. I won't get into a discussion on semantics, but gaining an unfair advantage over ones contemporaries is a bit like cheating isn't it? Like many people, I've no time for Colin, but that's irrelevant. That he's a tosser doesn't change the fact that you did get promoted with a squad that you couldn't afford, and there should've been a penalty imposed for that. I'm not sure if it's anything to do with self-respect, but I'd rather not support my argument with ad hominem attacks.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 18, 2015 23:45:09 GMT
Deluded then, and deluded now. According to the dicks ringing Radio Leicester and Talk Sport after yesterday's game "we were there for the taking"
We dominated that game from start to finish, we looked several classes above them, yet we were poor and there for the taking. I know all football fans are biased towards their team but these dicks are mentally ill.
I hope they go down several points adrift, not making 30 points as was predicted in this thread back in May.
BM
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 19, 2015 0:33:02 GMT
I was listening to talk sport after they beat the shit 5-3 they had a caller in saying not should vardy just be in the england squad, claimed that he should be starting!
Very strange folk, i can't recall many on here being so deluded in the extent they have,
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 19, 2015 1:11:20 GMT
Just because a Leicester fan comes on here without that chip on his shoulder doesn't mean we have to start a Pearson love in, he's an arrogant twat of the highest order, the blokes fuckin vile, shit club, shit manager, shit strip, shit everything, the only thing good about Leicester is kasabian.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 1:38:16 GMT
Kasabian are just alright. Good is a stretch, great would need to be followed by a punchline.
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Post by mrred on Jan 19, 2015 12:50:50 GMT
Kasabian were good for one album, the rest is shite. After taking a look on their forum, I didn't realise they'd based their city on the French Riviera? I'll never claim that Stoke is a place of beauty but fucking hell, bit tetchy aren't they? Not to mention ridiculously entitled.
As for the rest of them, got to be the worst set of fans we've ever come across as a collective. First season back in the Premiership and they were flat as a fishes tit from start to finish.
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