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Post by alansuddick on Apr 29, 2014 20:25:22 GMT
All old hat now, madrid pissin on munich, barca spent, counter attack the new force, tika taka bollox has been sussed !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 20:28:22 GMT
What?
TEST
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 20:29:41 GMT
Thank fuck!
Sick of it. Hopefully Spain get royally fucked in the World Cup.
Funny thing is, it was Bayern's powerful, counter attacking football which put Barca to the sword last season!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 29, 2014 20:32:35 GMT
I preferred the Bayern of last season which wasnt exactly Counter-Attack.
There was no sitting back - it was fast closing down and short sharp passing into the final 3rd.
That seemed a great recipe for continued success against Tiki-Taka.
A clash of styles is always good to watch, but wouldnt want to see everyone playing Counter-attack which is inherently cautious
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Post by alansuddick on Apr 29, 2014 20:41:23 GMT
I preferred the Bayern of last season which wasnt exactly Counter-Attack. There was no sitting back - it was fast closing down and short sharp passing into the final 3rd. That seemed a great recipe for continued success against Tiki-Taka. A clash of styles is always good to watch, but wouldnt want to see everyone playing Counter-attack which is inherently cautious I agree mate, and think you need an inform messi , taking players out , creating space etc, if chelsea play real in the final who will take the initiative, im sure chelsea wont.
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Post by jbstokie on Apr 29, 2014 20:48:57 GMT
Not really, the Munich players just don't have the same ability as those that Guardiola had at Barca, Barca's players have aged and don't have a manager of the same caliber as Guardiola.
Possession football is the "safest" form of football you can play assuming you have players that are comfortable with it, for the very cliched reason of you can't score a goal if you don't have the ball. Spain are the perfect example of that, for a team that has won 3 major international tournaments in a row they hardly ever roll over their opposition in terms of chances or goals but they just don't give the opposition any chance of winning the game.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 29, 2014 20:49:52 GMT
'Tiki taka' and 'Barca' are horrible, horrible words that I find as cringeworthy as any other. Long live high tempo attacking football and hopefully the era of boring sidewaysball is over. Now if only FIFA were willing to bring back tackling and properly punish cheats, we might get a half decent sport back.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 29, 2014 21:06:57 GMT
'Tiki taka' and 'Barca' are horrible, horrible words that I find as cringeworthy as any other. Long live high tempo attacking football and hopefully the era of boring sidewaysball is over. Now if only FIFA were willing to bring back tackling and properly punish cheats, we might get a half decent sport back. Well said .
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Post by alansuddick on Apr 29, 2014 21:31:12 GMT
Itll never happen!
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Apr 29, 2014 21:31:14 GMT
'Tiki taka' and 'Barca' are horrible, horrible words that I find as cringeworthy as any other. Long live high tempo attacking football and hopefully the era of boring sidewaysball is over. Now if only FIFA were willing to bring back tackling and properly punish cheats, we might get a half decent sport back. Agreed...Good riddance to tippy-tappy shite. Lets get back to old fashioned, wholehearted, full blooded,fast and furious "proper football" ....with plenty of tough tackling
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 29, 2014 21:32:19 GMT
One word to describe tippy-tappy - pure unalderated SHIT
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Post by redwhite on Apr 29, 2014 22:14:41 GMT
Tika taka has been sussed? Bayern's 90% league win ratio disagrees.
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Post by Gods on Apr 29, 2014 22:22:19 GMT
It could end up like basketball where your best hope of scoring is when the other team are on the attack...nick the ball away and hit them before the cover gets back.
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 29, 2014 22:32:10 GMT
Madrid average over 60-65% possession in most games, but yes it's not the only way.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 30, 2014 1:55:57 GMT
'Tiki taka' and 'Barca' are horrible, horrible words that I find as cringeworthy as any other. Long live high tempo attacking football and hopefully the era of boring sidewaysball is over. Now if only FIFA were willing to bring back tackling and properly punish cheats, we might get a half decent sport back. I agree almost completely with what you're saying but I'd take issue with the Barca bit. While Spain were the epitome of banal pass-the-opposition-to-death football, I thought Pep's Barca had a penetrative edge which set them apart and made them very exciting to watch. Their 5-0 demolition of Real a couple of seasons ago was probably the best team performance I've ever seen.
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Post by jbstokie on Apr 30, 2014 2:49:17 GMT
'Tiki taka' and 'Barca' are horrible, horrible words that I find as cringeworthy as any other. Long live high tempo attacking football and hopefully the era of boring sidewaysball is over. Now if only FIFA were willing to bring back tackling and properly punish cheats, we might get a half decent sport back. I agree almost completely with what you're saying but I'd take issue with the Barca bit. While Spain were the epitome of banal pass-the-opposition-to-death football, I thought Pep's Barca had a penetrative edge which set them apart and made them very exciting to watch. Their 5-0 demolition of Real a couple of seasons ago was probably the best team performance I've ever seen. I'd agree with this. I always find watching Spain boring because they literally pass until they score, Barca had far more of a threat but that's not surprising when they have Messi and Spain don't even use a striker half of the time.
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Post by trebor63 on Apr 30, 2014 4:37:47 GMT
In general the keep possession and do sod all with it tippy tappy crap is mind numbingly b o r i n g I'e never understood why people got so excited about it. To me running down the wing crosses flying in and crunching tackles and good direct football (not hit n hope) is exciting/ A thousand passes which don't even get you out of your own half is utter crap.
Hopefully this chess football fad is now dead and buried
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 30, 2014 4:52:24 GMT
There is no right or wrong way to play. The only consistent principle is any side should play to its strengths.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 30, 2014 6:01:44 GMT
All old hat now, madrid pissin on munich, barca spent, counter attack the new force, tika taka bollox has been sussed ! Absolute bollocks
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 30, 2014 6:53:35 GMT
Last year's Champion League final was a superb match between two quick direct teams, with a desire to win the ball and move it swiftly towards the opposition box. Now it's hard to criticise a team that has won their league at a canter but in the five matches I've watched Munich this season they've looked a pale imitation of the best side in Europe last year. The way Guardiola sets up teams seems to make centre forwards virtually redundant such is the unwillingness to commit to a final ball.
I'd pay a thousand pounds to watch a game like last year's Champion League final but Pep's Munich Vs Pep's Barcelona, I'd rather get my Tony Pulis top 50 0-0 draws dvd out.
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Post by slicko on Apr 30, 2014 7:08:11 GMT
Don't write it off just yet. No model is perfect but possession is an important element of any game.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 30, 2014 7:41:56 GMT
It's a very elementary principle that you can only score if you shoot at goal. Bayern had about 75 per cent possession in the first game and yet managed only 2 shots on target in the whole match
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Post by doitforfrank on Apr 30, 2014 8:12:27 GMT
Don't write it off just yet. No model is perfect but possession is an important element of any game. You just dont want to go on anymore coaching courses Slicko
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 30, 2014 8:52:42 GMT
It was like watching a game of FIFA last night. Madrid had too much pace and power for Bayern and it was great to watch unlike Munich's side ways passes and zzzzzzzzz...
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Post by slicko on Apr 30, 2014 9:31:39 GMT
Don't write it off just yet. No model is perfect but possession is an important element of any game. You just dont want to go on anymore coaching courses Slicko Well, when you reach the top of the tree the only education you can get is innovative hybrids
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 30, 2014 12:25:07 GMT
Doesn't look great on Guardiola. Gifted the world's best team at Barcelona, and then again at Bayern. Should not be getting embarrassed by Madrid, and valid ammo for those who question how good he really is as a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 12:33:17 GMT
Doesn't look great on Guardiola. Gifted the world's best team at Barcelona, and then again at Bayern. Should not be getting embarrassed by Madrid, and valid ammo for those who question how good he really is as a manager. as was mentioned last night though, he's trying to play in a completely different way to how anyone really has in Germany. he's trying to completely change the football culture over there and it won't happen overnight. i can't see any major questions being asked of Guardiola at all to be honest. their fans know they won't win it every year so will want at the very least the latter atages of the CL and they got that.yes they'll be hurting but they'll also realise it doesn't suddenly mean they're going down the toilet since Pep took over. last year was the first time in 12 years they've won a European trophy so it's not as if they have to win it every single year.they also won the League with god knows how many games left to go, won the World Club cup and are in the final of their domestic cup as well. that makes a pretty good manager really whichever way you look at it. it's not as if losing in the semi of the CL suddenly makes them a shit side, they just need a year or two to gel so they can play Pep's way properly as he wants it. it is still dull as fuck though
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Post by alansuddick on May 1, 2014 18:09:10 GMT
Tika taka has been sussed? Bayern's 90% league win ratio disagrees. No competition thats why they pissed the league.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 1, 2014 18:40:40 GMT
Love that possession style. Don't understand how people say it doesn't create chances, of course it does. It is only when the opposition sit incredibly deep that they struggle to break it down. But who is the boring side then?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 1, 2014 19:03:26 GMT
yes as graham states it takes 2 to tango. Barca looked awesome for a couple of seasons with a brand new theory of football.
Eventually it was Mourinho at Inter who worked out how to stop it - with parking the bus and playing on the break.
This left Barca and now Bayern, looking dull as fuck holding onto the ball with no possibility of playing the killer pass.
But tiki-taka is not inherently dull. It is meant to score goals.
Its just that there is a way to stop it, and make it look totally ineffective. Pulis & Mourinho are cut from the same tactical cloth
But in their pomp Barcelona of 3 years ago were the best club side ive ever seen
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