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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 13:48:22 GMT
I wish they'd fill in the scoreboard corner, then they could move the screen more or less opposite where I sit. Wouldn't have to lean forward to see the clips during the game. I'm getting on a bit now, you know! LOL.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2014 13:59:03 GMT
If it held 2500 and you charged £20 for example is that about 2 seasons to pay off a £3m outlay to build including cup games etc. Plus advertising.
Or is my maths crap?
Or just write it off for now and just discount / promotions to encourage numbers / kids. Either way.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 20, 2014 14:00:58 GMT
So many things can be done to fill the corner but nobody seems to be arsed at the club.
Firstly, the empty seats this season have been at the big, expensive games. Because they're expensive. Lesser games have generally been full. Tickets are too expensive for these games. Why not introduce a 5 game ticket where each game has a reduced price if you buy them together. I.e, you can get cat A games for £20 each if you buy 5. Cat B £18 each etc.
As said above, kids for a quid, schools, clubs, matchday experiences. Even increased away allocation.
As said above even if we cant fill it for a couple of games, charge for advertising in that space. Sell it row by row and go from there.
Somebody needs to be employed who can actually be a bit creative, do something different and be more affordable.
If tickets were £5 a game for adults in the prem, imagine how many supporters would take up that offer. probably 35000 or so. Obviously thats not a genuine sustainable plan but it is an indication of what we can do, especially if the same number of people will pay £60+ for the cup semi final.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:02:22 GMT
I'm not sure how much difference an extra 3000 seats will make other than reducing the wind a bit, better to spend any money on the squad IMO. Finishing the ground finally would be reason alone. It's shit compared to others, and amongst those with better are much lesser clubs than us (ie our standing is greater than theirs) It will look more finished than it does at the moment but I wouldn't consider it finished until all the corners were filled in. We don't really need the extra capacity and it's not as if an extra 3,000 seats (if sold) would increase revenue that much anyway, the majority of our income will be from TV and filling in the missing corner won't make the Brit any more appealing to non Stokies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:03:46 GMT
Not nice to have a stadium filled to only two thirds capacity. Just ask the Sundeland supporters. As for the wind advantage, we have gained many a point from the elements making a difference in games. Would love to see the corners filled in, as long as we can fill them... Sunderland's issue is that they will probably never be the type of club that will ever regularly fill that ground, they aren't Newcastle. We are talking another 4,000 or so seats. If you wanted to always err on the side of caution, clubs like ours should stick to 20,000 seaters. The way to get tomorrow's Stoke fans involved, is to give them more opportunity than they have now to get access to games.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2014 14:04:49 GMT
Not so much about income for now though is it? Its about getting more fans in, bigger better atmosphere, appearance for all sorts of reasons, message to everyone that the club are progressing and building for the short and long term.
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Post by 36dd on Apr 20, 2014 14:05:53 GMT
One of the main objectives for filling in the corner was to provide better concourse & viewing facilities for our Disabled Supporters , personally I say get it done. The stadium would look far better with the scoreboard corner filled in.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2014 14:06:48 GMT
Think that corner would only add about 2500 I think. Surely that's achievable with imagination.
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Post by 36dd on Apr 20, 2014 14:07:23 GMT
Think that corner would only add about 2500 I think. Surely that's achievable with imagination. If you build it, they will come
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 20, 2014 14:13:10 GMT
GET IT FILLED IN FFS
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2014 14:15:01 GMT
I'd even promote the naming of it being 'The Tony Scholes Stand' if they got it done!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:16:38 GMT
RVD
been pottering around the garden
on another point
are you seriously suggesting Stoke upon Trent isn't a one town club ? ?
(even if you dont come back with the bleedin obvious - its only a matter of time when it - SOT - will be)
And, even discounting the completely useless & embarrassing joke of a football club up the road (which I do) there are hundreds of thousands of untapped fans lookign for a succesful LOCAL growing club with. a worldwide profile and massive local sponsorship from a big player in the betting game
plus
I walk back to my car after the game and regularly see 'local yokels' with manure and liverpool shirts on still, kicking about near the town centre
-Apart from wanting to urinate on them - that's who Stoke city should be targetting and making room for
30k stadium - should we shouldn't we ? ???
its not as if its even a big stretch IS IT ! - its a bloody corner FFS ! duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
again FFS !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:20:10 GMT
RVD been pottering around the garden on another point are you seriously suggesting Stoke upon Trent isn't a one town club ? ? (even if you dont come back with the bleedin obvious - its only a matter of time when it - SOT - will be) And, even discounting the completely useless & embarrassing joke of a football club up the road (which I do) there are hundreds of thousands of untapped fans lookign for a succesful LOCAL growing club with. a worldwide profile and massive local sponsorship from a big player in the betting game plus I walk back to my car after the game and regularly see 'local yokels' with manure and liverpool shirts on still, kicking about near the town centre -Apart from wanting to urinate on them - that's who Stoke city should be targetting and making room for 30k stadium - should we shouldn't we ? ??? its not as if its even a big stretch IS IT ! - its a bloody corner FFS ! duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh again FFS ! Would that be the 'bleedin' obvious' of the fact that there are two and that is relevant when using Derby County by way of comparison?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:22:06 GMT
I'd even promote the naming of it being 'The Tony Scholes Stand' if they got it done! Good idea ' the Tony Scholes Pizza Hut ' !
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Post by Irish Stokie on Apr 20, 2014 14:27:03 GMT
It may be discussed at some point earlier in the thread, but how many of our home games have actually sold out this season? I have noticed empty seats at a number of games, so may be a potential issue re expansion of a stadium that isn't consistently full as is.
A massive issue with the stadium for me is the location of the away fans right beside the tunnel, and it's the 1st thing both sets of players hear and see. I have no idea where we move the away fans to, but whoever originally designed the stadium and set it up in this way was an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:31:01 GMT
We should not seriously be factoring ANYTHING to do with Port Vale into the future of OUR Club surely ?
as for Derby - they have already got the ground of the required size for the premier league
we - have not actually
Stoke on Trent - you know my thoughts - the club has led the way out of the fucking stone age and needs to continue to be progressive, the acadamy is done, we are looking more and more like a mid table side playing attractive football, ground occupancy is around 90% plus
even this season its bloody hard to get tickets at times (my son attests)
its the next logical step - its the obvious one actually
it does not break the bank
it is relatively low risk business wise
opens up the market
sends a message etc etc etc
And finally - the empty seats - you will always get some (no shows for starters) - the way to remove that is to increase capacity nominally - adjust the pricing = The man city game earlier this season was embarressing for empty seats purely becasue of very limited 'on the day' graded seat pricing and seats
My Son was Quoted £42 quid for a seat on the day
wanted to go - could not afford 'on the day' price - did not attend
easily fixed -- attractive fixtures - more attractive product - larger ground - more seating options - more affordable pricing - larger numbers turn up
its easy this business case management mularky eh ?
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2014 14:33:09 GMT
The away fans being where they are hasn't hurt us too much over the years. I always think it works in our favour. More often than not we have good results at home so the team and manager have to trudge back towards them at half time or full time to boos and abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:36:05 GMT
We should not seriously be factoring ANYTHING to do with Port Vale into the future of OUR Club surely ? as for Derby - they have already got the ground of the required size for the premier league we - have not actually Stoke on Trent - you know my thoughts - the club has led the way out of the fucking stone age and needs to continue to be progressive, the acadamy is done, we are looking more and more like a mid table side playing attractive football, ground occupancy is around 90% plus even this season its bloody hard to get tickets at times (my son attests) its the next logical step - its the obvious one actually it does not break the bank it is relatively low risk business wise opens up the market sends a message etc etc etc But you weren't factoring it into the future. You were saying if Derby can do it, why can't we. The two clubs' situations aren't the same, that's why. I'm not saying never fill them in, I'm saying I don't think now is the right time.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 20, 2014 14:37:41 GMT
I don't get this paranoia about the fear of having a few empty seats now and again. Even that is preferable to seeing a grass bank with two kids on their bikes and one up a tree. Lets get the ground looking slightly more finished and as said above, give the challenge to TS to earn his corn and get them filled.
Having said all that I believe that the club probably fear that by making it easier to get decent seats game by game may actually reduce the ST's sold.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:37:41 GMT
Now is the time because, it is already overdue
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:41:44 GMT
I don't get this paranoia about the fear of having a few empty seats now and again. Even that is preferable to seeing a grass bank with two kids on their bikes and one up a tree. Lets get the ground looking slightly more finished and as said above, give the challenge to TS to earn his corn and get them filled. Having said all that I believe that the club probably fear that by making it easier to get decent seats game by game may actually reduce the ST's sold. You manage that with your pricing strategy.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 20, 2014 14:46:36 GMT
Shouldn't we make sure we can fill the seats we've got first? Fill it up with cheap tickets for school kids.
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Post by lagwafis on Apr 20, 2014 14:48:50 GMT
Think that corner would only add about 2500 I think. Surely that's achievable with imagination. The figure for the scoreboard corner was for 1,780 additional seats according to the Sentinel below (from February 2013). I'd imagine more seats could fit in there but the blueprints we saw the other year had a big focus on increasing disabled facilities, concourse size etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 14:49:42 GMT
Someone did some calculations last time we had this discussion, and it came roughly to 4 season's worth of the new seats being sold before we broke even on the cost.
If that figure is right then we have other pressing issues to spend the money on right now.
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Post by prettything on Apr 20, 2014 15:52:13 GMT
Not nice to have a stadium filled to only two thirds capacity. Just ask the Sundeland supporters. As for the wind advantage, we have gained many a point from the elements making a difference in games. Would love to see the corners filled in, as long as we can fill them... Sunderland's issue is that they will probably never be the type of club that will ever regularly fill that ground, they aren't Newcastle. We are talking another 4,000 or so seats. If you wanted to always err on the side of caution, clubs like ours should stick to 20,000 seaters. The way to get tomorrow's Stoke fans involved, is to give them more opportunity than they have now to get access to games. It's not about caution when you are talking about spending milions of pounds,if there is no actual demand. It's a decision based purely on supply and demand. The club will make the decision on this basis alone.
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Post by nonameface on Apr 20, 2014 16:07:25 GMT
With us looking like we can stay in the premier league for many more years it would be good to invest in the future; the clubs done this with the academy and they could get some very good long term returns from that.
Looking at the numbers involved:
1780 seats * 20 games * £20 *90% capacity = £640,800 per season. If it costs £3m, the club would be turning a profit after 5years and a return of approx 20%PA.
Risks: Spending money that could be used in the players budget for maintaining Premier League status year in year out, lower demand and being relegated.
The risks seem very low, but ultimately I'll trust the clubs stance on this matter, whatever it is because they have made SO much progress over the last ten years and appear to be continuing that.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 20, 2014 16:22:24 GMT
There are no commercial reasons for filling in the corners the extra revenue generated would be a drop in the bucket compared to the other revenue streams , the scoreboard corner would appear to be straight forward the other two corners would involve significant expense and the owners will look seriously at the return on any capital investment . That's not to say it won't happen , in fact would be fantastic .
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 20, 2014 16:27:31 GMT
Another couple of seasons of footballing consolidation and perhaps a chance for the Academy to start bearing some fruit before any fundamental structural changes to the ground for me. By then the idea of rail seats/safe standing areas will be more acceptable. {Conclusion of the Hillsborough inquiry and evaluation of pilot schemes.}
In the meantime there is plenty of room for improvement to the facilities and general environment in and around the Brit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:37:17 GMT
i am a s/tholder in the south stand and i would love to see the corner filled in however its not for me to order the club how to spend its money. and i hardly think its right that an internet warrior feels they have the right to order the club to spend money.esp when most warriors on here cant even be arsed to attend matches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:55:21 GMT
Might aswell fill both, the big screen is so shit it's unreal, no need to fix it, get the corner filled instead!
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