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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 15:22:44 GMT
A lovely post by one Unniquue.. "You are defending Ryan Shawcross? He is a football hooligan and a thug and I have no doubt that Tony Pulis had a good word to his captain to get 'stuck in' which almost caused a damaging blow to a promising young player's career. So in my mind the goons have every right to be annoyed, just imagine if it happened to one of our gifted and technical players for example Christian Eriksen, Would you want him to be on the end of a savage tackle by Shawcross and possibly causing damage to his development?"Unique indeed, cunts like this would be happy to see football turned into a non-contact game. ...and there is the harm that Arsenal fans have done to Ryan. He rarely gets booked, his game is calm and measured, I can't remember the last challenge that could be deemed remotely dangerous (and we'd have heard about it if he had) - and yet he remains a "hooligan' and 'thug'. out of interest.....and bearing in mind the fact that Ryan himself has said he has moved on and it doesn't affect him.....what harm HAVE the arsenal fans done to Ryan? surely they've only harmed him if HE thinks/says they have and he's actually said the exact opposite |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 15:23:35 GMT
...and there is the harm that Arsenal fans have done to Ryan. He rarely gets booked, his game is calm and measured, I can't remember the last challenge that could be deemed remotely dangerous (and we'd have heard about it if he had) - and yet he remains a "hooligan' and 'thug'. out of interest.....and bearing in mind the fact that Ryan himself has said he has moved on and it doesn't affect him.....what harm HAVE the arsenal fans done to Ryan? surely they've only harmed him if HE thinks/says they have and he's actually said the exact opposite Harm to his reputation. That can hardly be disputed, can it? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 15:26:11 GMT
out of interest.....and bearing in mind the fact that Ryan himself has said he has moved on and it doesn't affect him.....what harm HAVE the arsenal fans done to Ryan? surely they've only harmed him if HE thinks/says they have and he's actually said the exact opposite Harm to his reputation. That can hardly be disputed, can it? i don't think they have....even before the Ramsey incident most people called us "Thugs" etc. anyway and they still do now. virtually ALL neutral fans know it was an accident and don't attach any blame to Ryan for maliciously injuring anyone at all, in fact many neutrals thought Wenger's comments were out of order and unfair. i don't know of ANY neutral fans at all who see Ryan in a worse light since the incident. the only people who DO bang on about the whole thing (or even bloody mention it) are Arsenal fans and us. i don't think his reputation has suffered at all to be honest. Arsenal fans hate him for it and call him a thug Neutral fans thought he was overly physical at set pieces etc. before the incident and still do now No neutral fans ever even mention the incident because 99% of people don't care WE seem to have this idea that people (apart from us and arsenal) even give a shit about the whole Ramsey incident...they don't! for 99% of people it was a footballing injury end of. no-one talks about, no-one cares about it and no-one (that i've ever met or spoken to anyway) thinks at all badly of Ryan because of it. when opposing teams call us "Thugs" or "Bullies" it has nothing at all to do with this incident whatsoever..it's simply because of the physical way we set up when we first came up and that has stuck...we were called it well before the Ramsey incident and a lot of neutral fans talked about how they couldn't wait for us to get relegated because we were orcs/inbred/horrible/cheats etc. a long time before any of this happened. since the Ramsey incident how many neutral fans come to Stoke and chant anything at Ryan because of this "Harm to his reputation"? none i think is the answer..it's just yet another excuse to justify our fans acting in a completely classless way that makes us look like fucking idiots. Ryan's reputation has not been harmed because of the incident at all however OUR reputation as fans is starting to suffer precisely due to threads like this! (as can be seen on the Spurs board where this thread has been posted)...the ONLY harm that is being done to this club is by us at the moment in this whole affair. the club acted with class at the time, unfortunately we haven't acted with any at any point! Wenger can say what he wants, no-one listens to him in football and no fans like him anyway (it's really not just us that despise him) so his opinions and views have no impact on anyone's personal opinions. Dignity
ClassTwo words which have been sadly lacking from both sets of fans in this whole episode...we've been every bit as bad as they have, the main difference is that our player and Club captain has said he wants the matter dropped and forgotten about but we've decided to completely ignore and disrespect HIS wishes and carry it on anyway.....and people honestly get offended when other fans slag us off for it when we're too bloody busy disrespecting our own man???? jesus fucking wept!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 15:37:50 GMT
Harm to his reputation. That can hardly be disputed, can it? i don't think they have....even before the Ramsey incident most people called us "Thugs" etc. anyway and they still do now. virtually ALL neutral fans know it was an accident and don't attach any blame to Ryan for maliciously injuring anyone at all, in fact many neutrals thought Wenger's comments were out of order and unfair. i don't know of ANY neutral fans at all who see Ryan in a worse light since the incident. the only people who DO bang on about the whole thing (or even bloody mention it) are Arsenal fans and us. i don't think his reputation has suffered at all to be honest. Arsenal fans hate him for it and call him a thug Neutral fans thought he was overly physical at set pieces etc. before the incident and still do now No neutral fans ever even mention the incident because 99% of people don't care WE seem to have this idea that people (apart from us and arsenal) even give a shit about the whole Ramsey incident...they don't! for 99% of people it was a footballing injury end of. no-one talks about, no-one cares about it and no-one (that i've ever met or spoken to anyway) thinks at all badly of Ryan because of it. when opposing teams call us "Thugs" or "Bullies" it has nothing at all to do with this incident whatsoever..it's simply because of the physical way we set up when we first came up and that has stuck...we were called it well before the Ramsey incident and a lot of neutral fans talked about how they couldn't wait for us to get relegated because we were orcs/inbred/horrible/cheats etc. a long time before any of this happened. since the Ramsey incident how many neutral fans come to Stoke and chant anything at Ryan because of this "Harm to his reputation"? none i think is the answer Really? In the immediate aftermath of the incident there was lots of sympathy for Ryan in the press, almost exclusively so. Even Mick Dennis was at it. You never see that these days. The default position is 'horror challenge' and Ryan has become the poster boy for x-rated tackles. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 15:42:21 GMT
i don't think they have....even before the Ramsey incident most people called us "Thugs" etc. anyway and they still do now. virtually ALL neutral fans know it was an accident and don't attach any blame to Ryan for maliciously injuring anyone at all, in fact many neutrals thought Wenger's comments were out of order and unfair. i don't know of ANY neutral fans at all who see Ryan in a worse light since the incident. the only people who DO bang on about the whole thing (or even bloody mention it) are Arsenal fans and us. i don't think his reputation has suffered at all to be honest. Arsenal fans hate him for it and call him a thug Neutral fans thought he was overly physical at set pieces etc. before the incident and still do now No neutral fans ever even mention the incident because 99% of people don't care WE seem to have this idea that people (apart from us and arsenal) even give a shit about the whole Ramsey incident...they don't! for 99% of people it was a footballing injury end of. no-one talks about, no-one cares about it and no-one (that i've ever met or spoken to anyway) thinks at all badly of Ryan because of it. when opposing teams call us "Thugs" or "Bullies" it has nothing at all to do with this incident whatsoever..it's simply because of the physical way we set up when we first came up and that has stuck...we were called it well before the Ramsey incident and a lot of neutral fans talked about how they couldn't wait for us to get relegated because we were orcs/inbred/horrible/cheats etc. a long time before any of this happened. since the Ramsey incident how many neutral fans come to Stoke and chant anything at Ryan because of this "Harm to his reputation"? none i think is the answer Really? In the immediate aftermath of the incident there was lots of sympathy for Ryan in the press, almost exclusively so. Even Mick Dennis was at it. You never see that these days. The default position is 'horror challenge' and Ryan has become the poster boy for x-rated tackles. by lazy journalists yes...by anyone who actually has opinions that matter in football i.e players, managers, fans of other clubs??? no, not at all. amazing how often we see an article on here and it gets swept under the carpet as "Lazy journalism" but as and when it suits and justifies our abhorrent behaviour then it's suddenly used as a shining example of truth and how the world views us......seriously desperate as a way of justifying pathetic actions if you ask me. i have absolutely NO problem whatsoever, in any way shape or form in abusing Wenger and Arsenal as a whole but to single out Ramsey??? that's just juvenile, pathetic and the kind of thing i would seriously bollock my 6 year old for if she behaved like that in the playground...we're supposed to be grown adults FFS!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 15:59:37 GMT
Really? In the immediate aftermath of the incident there was lots of sympathy for Ryan in the press, almost exclusively so. Even Mick Dennis was at it. You never see that these days. The default position is 'horror challenge' and Ryan has become the poster boy for x-rated tackles. by lazy journalists yes...by anyone who actually has opinions that matter in football i.e players, managers, fans of other clubs??? no, not at all. amazing how often we see an article on here and it gets swept under the carpet as "Lazy journalism" but as and when it suits and justifies our abhorrent behaviour then it's suddenly used as a shining example of truth and how the world views us......seriously desperate as a way of justifying pathetic actions if you ask me. i have absolutely NO problem whatsoever, in any way shape or form in abusing Wenger and Arsenal as a whole but to single out Ramsey??? that's just juvenile, pathetic and the kind of thing i would seriously bollock my 6 year old for if she behaved like that in the playground...we're supposed to be grown adults FFS!! Eh? What's Ramsey and 6 year old children got to do with anything? I was commenting on a Spurs fan calling Shawcross a "football hooligan", "thug" who regularly commits "a savage tackle" - and wondering whether he would have said that had history not been re-written by Arsenal fans (ie. Jeffers etc) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 16:36:58 GMT
by lazy journalists yes...by anyone who actually has opinions that matter in football i.e players, managers, fans of other clubs??? no, not at all. amazing how often we see an article on here and it gets swept under the carpet as "Lazy journalism" but as and when it suits and justifies our abhorrent behaviour then it's suddenly used as a shining example of truth and how the world views us......seriously desperate as a way of justifying pathetic actions if you ask me. i have absolutely NO problem whatsoever, in any way shape or form in abusing Wenger and Arsenal as a whole but to single out Ramsey??? that's just juvenile, pathetic and the kind of thing i would seriously bollock my 6 year old for if she behaved like that in the playground...we're supposed to be grown adults FFS!! Eh? What's Ramsey and 6 year old children got to do with anything? I was commenting on a Spurs fan calling Shawcross a "football hooligan", "thug" who regularly commits "a savage tackle" - and wondering whether he would have said that had history not been re-written by Arsenal fans (ie. Jeffers etc) and i pointed out that fans were saying that about shawcross/huth/faye long before the ramsey challenge. the idea of us being thugs was not as a result of this incident at all, people had that idea of us way before that and we, apparently, loved that tag at the time...nowadays when it's used though (or as and when this argument crops up) we hate it and it's all down to Ramsey/Wenger. that just isn't true because the vast majority of people don't listen to aword either of them fucking say because everyone knows Wenger is a knob. the 6 year old children comapriosn was to do with the behaviour some on here exhibit whenever Aaron Ramsey's name is mentioned. i thought i'd made that very very clear in my post (as it was contained specifically in a section about how Stoke fans have acted about the whole incident) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 16:56:43 GMT
Eh? What's Ramsey and 6 year old children got to do with anything? I was commenting on a Spurs fan calling Shawcross a "football hooligan", "thug" who regularly commits "a savage tackle" - and wondering whether he would have said that had history not been re-written by Arsenal fans (ie. Jeffers etc) and i pointed out that fans were saying that about shawcross/huth/faye long before the ramsey challenge. the idea of us being thugs was not as a result of this incident at all, people had that idea of us way before that and we, apparently, loved that tag at the time...nowadays when it's used though (or as and when this argument crops up) we hate it and it's all down to Ramsey/Wenger. that just isn't true because the vast majority of people don't listen to aword either of them fucking say because everyone knows Wenger is a knob. the 6 year old children comapriosn was to do with the behaviour some on here exhibit whenever Aaron Ramsey's name is mentioned. i thought i'd made that very very clear in my post (as it was contained specifically in a section about how Stoke fans have acted about the whole incident) You were being very clear, and I thought I was. My point was singular - I think that peoples perceptions of Ryan have skewed disproportionately since the incident. He was a brute before, he's akin to a murder now. But shall we draw a line under this?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 17:04:59 GMT
and i pointed out that fans were saying that about shawcross/huth/faye long before the ramsey challenge. the idea of us being thugs was not as a result of this incident at all, people had that idea of us way before that and we, apparently, loved that tag at the time...nowadays when it's used though (or as and when this argument crops up) we hate it and it's all down to Ramsey/Wenger. that just isn't true because the vast majority of people don't listen to aword either of them fucking say because everyone knows Wenger is a knob. the 6 year old children comapriosn was to do with the behaviour some on here exhibit whenever Aaron Ramsey's name is mentioned. i thought i'd made that very very clear in my post (as it was contained specifically in a section about how Stoke fans have acted about the whole incident) You were being very clear, and I thought I was. My point was singular - I think that peoples perceptions of Ryan have skewed disproportionately since the incident. He was a brute before, he's akin to a murder now. But shall we draw a line under this? no problem, i merely stated that i don't know of any fans that even talk about this incident let alone have let it tarnish ryan because (as much as we like to think it's a huge, global footballing issue) the rest of the world aren't even interested in the first place. the only time other fans mention it is (like the spurs board) when people are staggered at OUR behaviour surrounding it. even when they do understand our reasons for it (as a few of them say on that spurs thread) they still feel we are going way OTT about it....i don't feel it's a particularly positive way to make our name known personally |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 17:18:44 GMT
You were being very clear, and I thought I was. My point was singular - I think that peoples perceptions of Ryan have skewed disproportionately since the incident. He was a brute before, he's akin to a murder now. But shall we draw a line under this? no problem, i merely stated that i don't know of any fans that even talk about this incident let alone have let it tarnish ryan because (as much as we like to think it's a huge, global footballing issue) the rest of the world aren't even interested in the first place. the only time other fans mention it is (like the spurs board) when people are staggered at OUR behaviour surrounding it. even when they do understand our reasons for it (as a few of them say on that spurs thread) they still feel we are going way OTT about it....i don't feel it's a particularly positive way to make our name known personally I agree that's it's not particularly positive. I'm an exile and I do have to say that Shawcross is regularly discussed when I mention my team (a close second to 'careful what you wish for' in relation to Pulis  ) - I feel like I'm forever defending the guys honour. |
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Post by kitkatkev on Feb 27, 2014 18:07:06 GMT
Great weather for Saturday winds 8 MPH gusting to 16. 6 Deg feeling like 3 Perfect.
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Post by onionman on Feb 27, 2014 18:58:42 GMT
Winds aren't going to help us, I think. However a muddy pitch would be great. Can we get one imported just for this game?
Imagine Wenger's face when he arrives at the Brit to see we've replaced our immaculate playing surface with the Baseball Ground pitch from 1974.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 20:21:34 GMT
A lovely post by one Unniquue.. "You are defending Ryan Shawcross? He is a football hooligan and a thug and I have no doubt that Tony Pulis had a good word to his captain to get 'stuck in' which almost caused a damaging blow to a promising young player's career. So in my mind the goons have every right to be annoyed, just imagine if it happened to one of our gifted and technical players for example Christian Eriksen, Would you want him to be on the end of a savage tackle by Shawcross and possibly causing damage to his development?"Unique indeed, cunts like this would be happy to see football turned into a non-contact game. His name, and coincidentally his classification, is Eunuch. But he's shit at spelling. |
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Post by LDE76 on Feb 27, 2014 20:30:36 GMT
A lovely post by one Unniquue.. "You are defending Ryan Shawcross? He is a football hooligan and a thug and I have no doubt that Tony Pulis had a good word to his captain to get 'stuck in' which almost caused a damaging blow to a promising young player's career. So in my mind the goons have every right to be annoyed, just imagine if it happened to one of our gifted and technical players for example Christian Eriksen, Would you want him to be on the end of a savage tackle by Shawcross and possibly causing damage to his development?"Unique indeed, cunts like this would be happy to see football turned into a non-contact game. The odds on this character having seen the incident are longer than the odds on me encountering a visitor from another planet in the next five minutes, which are in turn considerably shorter than the odds on me encountering an opposition fan with a mind of his own in the next ten years. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 28, 2014 12:02:09 GMT
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Post by liamo on Feb 28, 2014 12:10:46 GMT
I'd never wish an injury on any player, especially not a stoke player, but it feels like the only way this whole shit storm will ever calm down is if an Arsenal player injures one of our players with a dangerous tackle
Although, saying that, wenger and the media seem to have rose tinted glasses when it comes to bad challenges from Arsenal players, so wenger probably wouldn't see it
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Post by stokeloyal on Feb 28, 2014 12:36:33 GMT
Let em try, it's a contact sport for christ sake , should have to tell your team mates to try and match another teams aggression. Worst case send wilko on to snap one of em in two... wont see any tears being shed form our Andy if he did! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 12:37:04 GMT
Hope we are all warming the vocal cords up for tomorrow. I'll be greeting the bastards when they warm up.
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Post by wokinghampotter on Feb 28, 2014 17:46:26 GMT
Bought some printer ink so doing some printing this evening!
We must give the team 200% support tomorrow to beat Wengers Whingers
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 28, 2014 19:00:55 GMT
Bought some printer ink so doing some printing this evening! We must give the team 200% support tomorrow to beat Wengers Whingers nice one! We need alot of flags and banners tomorrow. Got my 9ft union jack out for tomorrow! Is someone still making a "congrats on 100 red cards arsene, you hypocritical arsehole" banner? |
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Post by sheffieldstokie82 on Feb 28, 2014 19:50:10 GMT
 What is happening here is that threads like this are embarrassing ourselves and our club. Everytime I get sent a link by a neutral fan it's some shitgibbon making some cripple reference and I have no defence. Can't we just chant for our team and leave this alone, the press would get bored if we didn't re-ignite the argument every year by acting like this. Yes, Arsenal have gone over the top in their criticism but the cold facts are that one of our players badly broke one of their players legs in an clumsy challenge that he probably shouldn't have flung himself into. I don't understand why we act like we're so hard done by. So now if we could stop giving the rest of the country (and world) another reason to poke fun at us it'd be much appreciated. Get behind the players in Red and White tomorrow, stop singing about an injury 4 years ago for fucks sake.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 20:15:24 GMT
What is happening here is that threads like this are embarrassing ourselves and our club. Everytime I get sent a link by a neutral fan it's some shitgibbon making some cripple reference and I have no defence. Can't we just chant for our team and leave this alone, the press would get bored if we didn't re-ignite the argument every year by acting like this. Yes, Arsenal have gone over the top in their criticism but the cold facts are that one of our players badly broke one of their players legs in an clumsy challenge that he probably shouldn't have flung himself into. I don't understand why we act like we're so hard done by. So now if we could stop giving the rest of the country (and world) another reason to poke fun at us it'd be much appreciated. Get behind the players in Red and White tomorrow, stop singing about an injury 4 years ago for fucks sake. I remember sitting in the stands at Stoke when Ramsey was on the pitch and there was barely a murmur. Plenty of abuse for the entire Arsenal team, but nothing of note for Ramsey. He was pretty anonymous, nothing was being sung, and it felt like it was all over. For me it turned really sour the second Arsenal fans sung the 'You know what you are' chant to Ryan, which, at the time, was a new chant reserved solely for John Terry and Suarez. From that moment the gloves were off and an already poisonous relationship went beyond retrieval. It won't end until Ramsey, Shawcross and Wenger are ancient history - which seems a long way off yet. Having said all that, I think the booing of Ramsey is massively overstated. I don't think its half as widespread as anyone thinks. A few OTT messages on here just happens in this day and age. It's not half as bad as the stuff written about Walters at 5pm on a Saturday. |
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Post by huntlypotter on Feb 28, 2014 22:47:38 GMT
It's time to start cranking it up a bit Wenger and Ramsey let the feckers have it Minutes applause for Ramsey in the 67th minute ( or whatever it was ) whilst singing " you know what you are " and Wenger about his 100 red cards I know Ramsey won't be playing but who gives a shite....he won't let it lie so neither should we You do realise that making a minutes applause to celebrate someone breaking a leg is going to make yourself and other Stoke fans look like total idiots! |
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 28, 2014 22:56:35 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 28, 2014 23:28:10 GMT
Right. It's pump up time.        "It depends what you call clever and what you call dirty"-Arsene Wenger "it's the worst thing that can happen to anyone on a football pitch."-Aaron Ramsey And this shall be our theme tune for tomorrow. Get it on a tape and play it over the tannoy to come out to. GOARNNNN STOKE  what a tune to play. Magnificent song. I reckon we should play kill again as the half time tune Just fucking destroy them Stoke. Do It!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 28, 2014 23:34:45 GMT
Right. It's pump up time. And this shall be our theme tune for tomorrow. Get it on a tape and play it over the tannoy to come out to. GOARNNNN STOKE what a tune to play. Magnificent song. I reckon we should play kill again as the half time tune Just fucking destroy them Stoke. Do It!!!!!!!!!! Would beat one direction and whatever they play now hands down.... Then tear their heads off and eat them alive whilst making strong eye contact with louis walsh. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 28, 2014 23:40:07 GMT
Winds aren't going to help us, I think. However a muddy pitch would be great. Can we get one imported just for this game? Imagine Wenger's face when he arrives at the Brit to see we've replaced our immaculate playing surface with the Baseball Ground pitch from 1974. I greatly miss the muddy pitches. The advent of the immaculate playing surface is primarily responsible for the evolution of the game into an athletics match and the death of the artist. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 28, 2014 23:47:43 GMT
what a tune to play. Magnificent song. I reckon we should play kill again as the half time tune Just fucking destroy them Stoke. Do It!!!!!!!!!! Would beat one direction and whatever they play now hands down.... Then tear their heads off and eat them alive whilst making strong eye contact with louis walsh. i can visualise it now, that pounding drum as the song starts booming around the brit. Sort it out Scholes !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 0:32:53 GMT
Let the hate flow people, don't hold back against these bunch of bastards. Leave nothing is reserve, sore throats can be cured with a pint afterwards to celebrate the condemning of arsenal and a fine stoke win.
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 1, 2014 6:27:47 GMT
Let the hate flow people, don't hold back against these bunch of bastards. Leave nothing is reserve, sore throats can be cured with a pint afterwards to celebrate the condemning of arsenal and a fine stoke win. wish I could be there. C'mon Stokies let's give it tithe bastards . Let's destroy them in every sense of the word |
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