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Post by underdog on Jan 31, 2014 7:02:04 GMT
Yeah it's wank. Bring back the days where we lost at Oxford vale Swindon Telford Crewe Cambridge etc etc. This board is becoming a fucking joke He's entitled to his opinion isn't he? I think his point has some merit. Your posts are a 'fucking joke' mate.
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Post by underdog on Jan 31, 2014 7:05:12 GMT
The FA cup is a shadow of its former self un all....though that's partly due to the Champignons league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 7:30:15 GMT
Yeah it's wank. Bring back the days where we lost at Oxford vale Swindon Telford Crewe Cambridge etc etc. This board is becoming a fucking joke He's entitled to his opinion isn't he? I think his point has some merit. Your posts are a 'fucking joke' mate. Oh the irony! You and him go hand in hand then watching championship football..... I'm sure you will be missed
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Post by underdog on Jan 31, 2014 7:34:21 GMT
He's entitled to his opinion isn't he? I think his point has some merit. Your posts are a 'fucking joke' mate. Oh the irony! You and him go hand in hand then watching championship football..... I'm sure you will be missed You write very well for a 5 year old
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 31, 2014 7:36:11 GMT
Been supporting since 1971 son so no need to judge somebody on posts . Do u wonder why me and loads of other fans can only stand to look at this forum once in a blue moon as a result of negative morons posting drivel all the time. Some peoples glasses are half empty all the time! What pisses me off is that some of the biggest moaners dont even bother to go the games, instead watching on some dodgy stream then telling us who do go how shit we are! one thing is clear the prem do not like us they never have so its us v the rest fuck them.i cannot wait for the champions league to become the main comp in europe, let the elite and thier gobshite glory hunting fans fuck off and leave us with a fairer more even 1st division The irony being that if we did go down they wouldn't get a stream to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 7:37:01 GMT
Oh the irony! You and him go hand in hand then watching championship football..... I'm sure you will be missed You write very well for a 5 year old Thanks. Hopefully one day you will be as good as me.
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Post by varnapotter on Jan 31, 2014 8:14:30 GMT
Couldn't agree more............I lost all fun in the game and so did my husband.....
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Post by vahl on Jan 31, 2014 8:20:25 GMT
How many 'Stoke' fans that are in agreement with the OP actually live and breathe Stoke-On-Trent air?
It baffles me that any person that's resident in our city could complain about our team being exposed to the bright lights of the Premier League. You can moan about the football until you're blue in the face but, having Stoke in this so-called shitty league is about the only thing keeping Stoke-On-Trent from creeping back into the dark ages. Like all of us are aware, no matter who you are, football is not just about the football and it's important to not forget this.
That being said, this club was over-run with Premiership snobby fans a couple of years back and the low attendances that have been creeping back up on us reflect this view more than people would ever realise. You can't even breathe without getting accused of being anti-social and woe betide you turn up to the match without prawns on those sarnies'.
Sorry but, this is how it is.
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Post by underdog on Jan 31, 2014 8:23:39 GMT
You write very well for a 5 year old Thanks. Hopefully one day you will be as good as me. Ya think? I'll keep trying... More room for me elbows when were in the championship
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 8:27:39 GMT
The premier league was the worst thing to happen to football. I loved the first couple of seasons because we were like the uninvited guests, the kids from the rough estate who gatecrashed the rich kids' party. Now we are just another average club only here to make up the numbers and get shat on by corrupt officials, tv and the media.
I don't want to get relegated but if we did and we were not in any serious financial trouble it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 31, 2014 8:47:51 GMT
How many 'Stoke' fans that are in agreement with the OP actually live and breathe Stoke-On-Trent air? It baffles me that any person that's resident in our city could complain about our team being exposed to the bright lights of the Premier League. You can moan about the football until you're blue in the face but, having Stoke in this so-called shitty league is about the only thing keeping Stoke-On-Trent from creeping back into the dark ages. Like all of us are aware, no matter who you are, football is not just about the football and it's important to not forget this. That being said, this club was over-run with Premiership snobby fans a couple of years back and the low attendances that have been creeping back up on us reflect this view more than people would ever realise. You can't even breathe without getting accused of being anti-social and woe betide you turn up to the match without prawns on those sarnies'. Sorry but, this is how it is. I know what you say is completely true, but it's exactly this that makes me feel sick as a dog. 'football is not just about the football' Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 8:51:18 GMT
Thanks. Hopefully one day you will be as good as me. Ya think? I'll keep trying... More room for me elbows when were in the championship You enjoy yourself in the championship. I prefer the premiership.
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Post by vahl on Jan 31, 2014 9:41:54 GMT
How many 'Stoke' fans that are in agreement with the OP actually live and breathe Stoke-On-Trent air? It baffles me that any person that's resident in our city could complain about our team being exposed to the bright lights of the Premier League. You can moan about the football until you're blue in the face but, having Stoke in this so-called shitty league is about the only thing keeping Stoke-On-Trent from creeping back into the dark ages. Like all of us are aware, no matter who you are, football is not just about the football and it's important to not forget this. That being said, this club was over-run with Premiership snobby fans a couple of years back and the low attendances that have been creeping back up on us reflect this view more than people would ever realise. You can't even breathe without getting accused of being anti-social and woe betide you turn up to the match without prawns on those sarnies'. Sorry but, this is how it is. I know what you say is completely true, but it's exactly this that makes me feel sick as a dog. 'football is not just about the football' Christ. Sounds bad when put like that, doesn't it? It's a sad reality for a city like ours though and just another spin on this thread.
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Post by dwr17477 on Jan 31, 2014 13:17:52 GMT
Yeah...it's great going Bury, Cambridge, etc...much more fun. I am not doubting you or and even get you to a point but, having spent most of my time watching Stoke lose or be pleased with a draw in these God forsaken games, then I much prefer life in the Prem. We are a little way off playing Bury and Cambridge. But I would suggest an away day at Bury would be far more enjoyable than another trip to Stamford Bridge or The Stadium of Light... but maybe that's just me. I'm tired of being a 'customer' - being treated with such utter contempt. I want to stay in this league - but I do question why sometimes. These last two seasons rank as some of my least enjoyable as a football fan. I've spent a fortune and feel I have got such staggeringly little in return. Chelsea at home, half-time at Old Trafford, West Ham final whistle... that's it really this season; put against all those games you travel back from feeling cheated on the pitch and cheated out of pocket. I know that's football sometimes - but it's not even much of a laugh anymore, either dead quiet or no one has bothered to turn up. Sorry... I'm just on a fucking downer at the moment. Oh, and for what it's worth: Cambridge is a beautiful city. No doubting Cambridge is a beautiful city or that Bury away in the nineties was a great experience but I want SCFC in at the top end of football - not slumming it lower down - I've had enough of that.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 31, 2014 14:49:57 GMT
Pissed off with being ripped off by other clubs charging me a fortune when we get beat all the time. Pissed off with looking at the fixture list and wondering where we may pick up some points or even a point. Pissed off with playing the big teams and having to play against 12 men as we get fuck all of the ref. Pissed off with having to accept that playing horrible defensive football is the only way to survive as a small team in the prem I thought it was brilliant when we got into the Premiership, the best league in the world and the first 3 seasons were great, but 3 more years down the line I'm not enjoying watching us struggle week after week and wondering if it may not be the end of the world if we went down. Am I the only one? Are you Mark Hughes by any chance?
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 31, 2014 15:45:37 GMT
The premier league is a great spectacle and definitely exciting - the lower leagues don't compare.
However, I'm a bit disillusioned with it really from a financial perspective. Chelsea and City have shown that all you need to do is chuck a load of money at it and you'll win stuff - gone are the days where you could build a decent side from nothing and challenge consistently
City in particular have spent an absolutely obscene amount, I've seen some estimates at £1 billion for players + wages since 2008. The country is struggling yet there's a £1 billion for some blokes to kick a ball around - I try not to think about it too much else it'd put me off the game entirely.
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Post by blueknows on Jan 31, 2014 16:21:41 GMT
The premier league is a great spectacle and definitely exciting - the lower leagues don't compare. However, I'm a bit disillusioned with it really from a financial perspective. Chelsea and City have shown that all you need to do is chuck a load of money at it and you'll win stuff - gone are the days where you could build a decent side from nothing and challenge consistently City in particular have spent an absolutely obscene amount, I've seen some estimates at £1 billion for players + wages since 2008. The country is struggling yet there's a £1 billion for some blokes to kick a ball around - I try not to think about it too much else it'd put me off the game entirely. Speaking as a city fan we were in a similar position to yourselves and Ive followed us up and down the divisions , when I think back it was only 13 years ago we were playing the likes of wycombe , lincoln (and getting beat) , looking back although it was part of our history I never want to go back to them days , regardless of what some are saying on here , yes the top division is all about money and always has been look at liverpool in the 70s and 80s always spent the most and bought the best players , Man U the same regardless of what their fans say (organic growth, doing things the right way , earned their money ) Man U have broke the british transfer record more than most , Arselona another club who have always spent big , when chelsea came along with their money as a city fan I was glad another club would compete and break the monotony of Man u and arselonas dominance , never in my lifetime of following city did I ever think I would see us winning a trophy (I was 10 when we won the league cup in 76 ) , I have had to endure years of mockery and patronising from our neighbours and when our current owners came along I thought I was dreaming , finally we may be able to compete and I may finally see us winning a trophy let alone win the bloody league ! , now I know my club has gone from everyones favourite 2nd team (cup for cock ups , comedy club , snatching defeat from the jaws of victory) to being hated for supposed ruining football (extorting the transfer market ,quote from mr ferguson just as he was about to sell ronaldo to madrid for 80 million, but let me ask you this if your club got taken over by a similar owner/billionaire and this ever happened to you would you really hark back to the days of playing bury , cambridge I dont think so somehow ............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84PP23pDl4
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 31, 2014 16:42:08 GMT
Speaking as a city fan we were in a similar position to yourselves and Ive followed us up and down the divisions , when I think back it was only 13 years ago we were playing the likes of wycombe , lincoln (and getting beat) , looking back although it was part of our history I never want to go back to them days , regardless of what some are saying on here , yes the top division is all about money and always has been look at liverpool in the 70s and 80s always spent the most and bought the best players , Man U the same regardless of what their fans say (organic growth, doing things the right way , earned their money ) Man U have broke the british transfer record more than most , Arselona another club who have always spent big , when chelsea came along with their money as a city fan I was glad another club would compete and break the monotony of Man u and arselonas dominance , never in my lifetime of following city did I ever think I would see us winning a trophy (I was 10 when we won the league cup in 76 ) , I have had to endure years of mockery and patronising from our neighbours and when our current owners came along I thought I was dreaming , finally we may be able to compete and I may finally see us winning a trophy let alone win the bloody league ! , now I know my club has gone from everyones favourite 2nd team (cup for cock ups , comedy club , snatching defeat from the jaws of victory) to being hated for supposed ruining football (extorting the transfer market ,quote from mr ferguson just as he was about to sell ronaldo to madrid for 80 million, but let me tell you this if your club got taken over by a similar owner/billionaire and this ever happened to you would you really hark back to the days of playing bury , cambridge I dont think so somehow ............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84PP23pDl4 I agree and it's not just Man City, you are just at the top end of the ridiculous amounts of money involved in the game. While money has always been part of the game, the last 10 years or so has taken things to a obscene level. Realistically there are 14 teams in the league who at the absolute best are aiming for 7th place unless one or more of the top 6 are in a transition period. Unless a sugar daddy decides he wants a football club as a play thing and injects £200+ million in to it, it'll remain that way.
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Post by blueknows on Jan 31, 2014 16:55:32 GMT
Speaking as a city fan we were in a similar position to yourselves and Ive followed us up and down the divisions , when I think back it was only 13 years ago we were playing the likes of wycombe , lincoln (and getting beat) , looking back although it was part of our history I never want to go back to them days , regardless of what some are saying on here , yes the top division is all about money and always has been look at liverpool in the 70s and 80s always spent the most and bought the best players , Man U the same regardless of what their fans say (organic growth, doing things the right way , earned their money ) Man U have broke the british transfer record more than most , Arselona another club who have always spent big , when chelsea came along with their money as a city fan I was glad another club would compete and break the monotony of Man u and arselonas dominance , never in my lifetime of following city did I ever think I would see us winning a trophy (I was 10 when we won the league cup in 76 ) , I have had to endure years of mockery and patronising from our neighbours and when our current owners came along I thought I was dreaming , finally we may be able to compete and I may finally see us winning a trophy let alone win the bloody league ! , now I know my club has gone from everyones favourite 2nd team (cup for cock ups , comedy club , snatching defeat from the jaws of victory) to being hated for supposed ruining football (extorting the transfer market ,quote from mr ferguson just as he was about to sell ronaldo to madrid for 80 million, but let me tell you this if your club got taken over by a similar owner/billionaire and this ever happened to you would you really hark back to the days of playing bury , cambridge I dont think so somehow ............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84PP23pDl4 I agree and it's not just Man City, you are just at the top end of the ridiculous amounts of money involved in the game. While money has always been part of the game, the last 10 years or so has taken things to a obscene level. Realistically there are 14 teams in the league who at the absolute best are aiming for 7th place unless one or more of the top 6 are in a transition period. Unless a sugar daddy decides he wants a football club as a play thing and injects £200+ million in to it, it'll remain that way. I agree , the sad part of it is that 13 clubs in the premiership voted for FFP (not sure how stoke voted) which means it will become more of a closed shop than it already is , you may think oh well as a city fan you will be against FFP well yes I am because what it will mean is no club will be able to invest to become a success , a restriction of trade , which other industry would restrict investment to improve their company ? I honestly dont think FFP will work it has been designed by platini and co to keep the top teams at the top table
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Post by RAF on Jan 31, 2014 16:58:03 GMT
I blame Brian Clough. He started all this shit
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Jan 31, 2014 17:04:20 GMT
There are plenty of things wrong with the premiership, agree with all the points. The solution is to just enjoy watching Stoke whatever league we are in. That comes with the way we play, which has to be the style we are only beginning to adopt.
Once you take that attitude all the moaning at every defeat and calls to sack the manager goes out of the window. The premiership is evil in the way it breeds negativity.
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Jan 31, 2014 17:08:45 GMT
Pissed off with being ripped off by other clubs charging me a fortune when we get beat all the time. Pissed off with looking at the fixture list and wondering where we may pick up some points or even a point. Pissed off with playing the big teams and having to play against 12 men as we get fuck all of the ref. Pissed off with having to accept that playing horrible defensive football is the only way to survive as a small team in the prem I thought it was brilliant when we got into the Premiership, the best league in the world and the first 3 seasons were great, but 3 more years down the line I'm not enjoying watching us struggle week after week and wondering if it may not be the end of the world if we went down. Am I the only one? You my friend, deserve a medal. You have just summed up what half of the "small teams" fan base think of the prem now. I salute this speech!
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jan 31, 2014 17:47:44 GMT
Been round the lower leagues with Stoke before and if the lads fancy a pint or two will happily do it again. I mean if we go to Millwall we can drink in the same London Bridge pubs as we did for Palace 2 weeks ago.
Just as a for instance I can't go tomorrow as am working. And I don't really care because we're in all likelyhood going to get beat.
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Post by skip on Jan 31, 2014 17:59:13 GMT
Twenty years ago wages in top flight would make my eyes water but now they're off the chart, completely wrong, morally bankrupt. And FWIW no I don't think - as the ex-footballer pundits of this world proclaim - it's a short career and they have to earn stupid sums because they might only have a career that lasts ten years or so. When it's over, get a new job. Cult of celebrity footballer bollocks.
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Post by scarlet on Jan 31, 2014 18:14:04 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a boring old git I preferred football before the premier league, when teams like Forest and Derby could and did win the league, and clubs like us, QPR and Ipswich, amongst others, had a chance of (and came close to),winning it.
Now, with all the money in football the top 4-6 places are pretty much a closed shop. For me the quality of the football is negated by the cheating and diving from the same players and the media's obsession with excusing it and maintaining the status quo. On Talkshite on Wednesday morning Mike Parry was reviewing the papers. Alan Brazil mentioned Stoke were playing Sunderland in a vital match that evening. Parry ignored this and instead talked about manure's next shirt sponsorship deal, which summed everything up for me.
I don't want us to be relegated but, as is the case for many fans, football is as much a social occasion for me, where I meet up with family and friends to go to the match. Whatever division we are in this would not change. My hope is that one day the moneymen will get bored and leave top flight football which will then create a more competitive and even contest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 18:34:13 GMT
Im also sick of:-
a) Overtly Bent match officials favouring teams already with more money than they know what to do with b) its riddled with cheats and divers c)players with more money than sense, acting like fucking superstars when they are at best 'thick as shit' for the most part d) how its becoming a non contact sport with the people running the game, condoning it e) the self important pundits - blind - biased arseholes for the most part f) AND the things I hate the most - feigning injury and waving imaginary cards
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Post by scarlet on Jan 31, 2014 19:32:45 GMT
Im also sick of:- a) Overtly Bent match officials favouring teams already with more money than they know what to do with b) its riddled with cheats and divers c)players with more money than sense, acting like fucking superstars when they are at best 'thick as shit' for the most part d) how its becoming a non contact sport with the people running the game, condoning it e) the self important pundits - blind - biased arseholes for the most part f) AND the things I hate the most - feigning injury and waving imaginary cards This should be the official definition of the premier league.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 31, 2014 20:14:41 GMT
Its never been any different but we have become tired of fighting it
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Jan 31, 2014 20:56:38 GMT
It's just not nogger anymore.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Feb 1, 2014 11:37:12 GMT
I'm glad it's not just me
I've been feeling exactly like this for the last couple of seasons.
At the end of the day - what's the point? There's nothing for us to realistically play for or win
Been watching Stoke since I had my first season ticket aged 8 (76-77 season) and the best times that I have had during these last 30+ years were when Lou was in charge 91 - 93. We went into each match excited knowing that we were a match for anyone and there was something to play for.
It's crap now. 5 wins out of 23 league matches this season says it all for me. We've won less than 1 game in 4. why would we want to carry on "achieving this dream" - it's shite
Financially it's the place to be, excitement-wise it's like a fcuking morgue!
HTH
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