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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 4, 2014 22:33:03 GMT
Those who have a few hundred years history of being regarded as inferior and being discriminated against may well have good cause to be sensitive. "Honky" may well be racist and insulting but it does not have the same overtones or effect. But why should it be different? Why should one be worse than the other? This is what I meant when I said others were being discriminated against so as not to upset another. The answers can all be found in the history books Stafford. Although I suspect that if you spent a year of your life reading up on the subject, you'd still be asking the same question at the end of it, so God help anybody trying to explain it to you again on an internet message board.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2014 22:36:28 GMT
But why should it be different? Why should one be worse than the other? This is what I meant when I said others were being discriminated against so as not to upset another. The answers can all be found in the history books Stafford. Although I suspect that if you spent a year of your life reading up on the subject, you'd still be asking the same question at the end of it, so God help anybody trying to explain it to you again on an internet message board. So now we can have differing levels of racism. Great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:37:02 GMT
Interestingly our club has already resolved the question of whether chanting "you're just a town full of Pxxx's" is racist or not. By law it is. About a decade ago one of our halfwits was prosecuted for the same chant during an Oldham game. He appeared before the legendary local stipendiary Graham Richards at Fenton. Richards concluded that the chant did not amount to racial hatred. The Crown Prosecution Service were so incensed that they appealed the ruling to the court of appeal. They held that it was certainly racist. As they commented why would it be chanted unless it infered inferiority due to country of birth. Richards reputation never fully recovered. So, "Stoke City: Defining Racists Since 2003" - add it to the club badge? Aww the good old CPS super efficient organisation, very rarely make mistakes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:37:39 GMT
Interestingly our club has already resolved the question of whether chanting "you're just a town full of Pxxx's" is racist or not. By law it is. About a decade ago one of our halfwits was prosecuted for the same chant during an Oldham game. He appeared before the legendary local stipendiary Graham Richards at Fenton. Richards concluded that the chant did not amount to racial hatred. The Crown Prosecution Service were so incensed that they appealed the ruling to the court of appeal. They held that it was certainly racist. As they commented why would it be chanted unless it infered inferiority due to country of birth. Richards reputation never fully recovered. So, "Stoke City: Defining Racists Since 2003" - add it to the club badge? Bloody hell, Stype Richards! I've been on the wrong side of him, what a dick he was! I walked out of the court with a small fine, but for a moment myself and my brief thought I was going to be sent down. Catch him on a good day (which didn't happen often) and you could walk away scot free (although guilty as hell). He wasn't having a good day the day I came across him ....
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2014 22:38:08 GMT
It might be to an Australian, can't see the difference an abbreviation is an abbreviation well it is in English. Aussies refer to each other as Aussies frequently. You think the chanting was meant in a complimentary way today do you? Believe me I hear Black people calling one another "Nigger" rather often, they're all criminals(fact) but I'm pretty certain they don't hate Black people and neither do I but I'm also pretty certain if I joined in, all sorts of hell would break loose and I'd be accused of being a racist. The truth is that the term racist is applied to people all too easily and all too often. Even in the case of the loathesome John Terry. Being branded racist should be reserved for anyone who hates people depending on their race. Descrimination should be illegal but evenly, ie so called positive descrimination should be illegal aswell and any laws to do with either should be applied with the same vigor whatever community the person perpetrating such crimes belongs to, not almost exclusively against White people as is currently the case. For some unknown reason the people who are most up their own arses about labeling things and people as racist are always White people. Maybe they're actually racist and are simply so afraid of their own views that anything that might set them off has to be stamped all over. Not sure but I know they really get on my Tits "White Bastards".
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 22:38:23 GMT
The answers can all be found in the history books Stafford. Although I suspect that if you spent a year of your life reading up on the subject, you'd still be asking the same question at the end of it, so God help anybody trying to explain it to you again on an internet message board. So now we can have differing levels of racism. Great. It ain't black and white!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:38:38 GMT
So was there any chanting or is it all just bollox? Never heard any where I sat. In fact, only thing I heard was 'you've had your day out, now fuck off home' (repeat till bored)
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 4, 2014 22:41:03 GMT
Those who have a few hundred years history of being regarded as inferior and being discriminated against may well have good cause to be sensitive. "Honky" may well be racist and insulting but it does not have the same overtones or effect. Historically a bit like we have done to the Welsh? They seem ok with "Taff" of course when I say "we", I mean the English. They may be ok with "taff", but for some reason they do seem to object to "thieving c*nt".
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Post by chattyladypotter on Jan 4, 2014 22:41:06 GMT
it's all a bit confusing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:42:04 GMT
The answers can all be found in the history books Stafford. Although I suspect that if you spent a year of your life reading up on the subject, you'd still be asking the same question at the end of it, so God help anybody trying to explain it to you again on an internet message board. So now we can have differing levels of racism. Great. It would appear that it is indeed the case in this great country , we now have different rulings on levels of racism, freedom of speech will next on the agenda will it also have differing levels depending on your race, religious beliefs etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:43:26 GMT
Historically a bit like we have done to the Welsh? They seem ok with "Taff" of course when I say "we", I mean the English. They may be ok with "taff", but for some reason they do seem to object to "thieving c*nt". Is "theiving cunt" a racist remark?
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Post by sonichuth on Jan 4, 2014 22:43:32 GMT
Good fucking grief
A poster comes on to say he's heard some racist chanting and it's disgraceful - but without even knowing what was said they all come out...
"It's not faaaaair! You can't say words any more. I don't know what the words mean! But THEY say them! Next thing you know, you can't give a coloured fella a clip round the ear!"
And supposedly the PC brigade are the 'wet' ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:44:32 GMT
So now we can have differing levels of racism. Great. It ain't black and white! It's a grey area no offence intended to grey people including politicians of course or police officers for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:45:30 GMT
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2014 22:45:53 GMT
The thing is I comment on these threads because I feel a bit passionate about it. Everyone in their right mind knows racism is wrong and I fully agree with that. What I don't agree with is how something very trivial suddenly becomes racist overnight. Racism needs stopping but I feel it goes too far the other way. Something trivial like calling someone a 'dirty cheating black cunt' you mean? Well its not trivial its rather abusive, offensive and most likely defamatory, I believe those terms are much better suited to that remark than racist.
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 4, 2014 22:45:54 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. No, we absolutely don't. The fact that you clearly do speaks volumes about you and your "close mates".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:46:55 GMT
So if the chant today had been "You're all just a bunch of thieving cunts" (if there was a chant at all) - would this thread exist?
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 22:47:14 GMT
It ain't black and white! It's a grey area no offence intended to grey people including politicians of course or police officers for that matter. The police are blue - please don't bring any more colours into this thread.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Jan 4, 2014 22:48:04 GMT
It's all I have after a few glasses
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 4, 2014 22:48:17 GMT
They may be ok with "taff", but for some reason they do seem to object to "thieving c*nt". Is "theiving cunt" a racist remark? It is if you also chant the rhyme "Taffy was a Welshman, taffy was a thief, taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef". Not that I would, obviously.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 4, 2014 22:48:19 GMT
Interestingly our club has already resolved the question of whether chanting "you're just a town full of Pxxx's" is racist or not. By law it is. About a decade ago one of our halfwits was prosecuted for the same chant during an Oldham game. He appeared before the legendary local stipendiary Graham Richards at Fenton. Richards concluded that the chant did not amount to racial hatred. The Crown Prosecution Service were so incensed that they appealed the ruling to the court of appeal. They held that it was certainly racist. As they commented why would it be chanted unless it infered inferiority due to country of birth. Richards reputation never fully recovered. So, "Stoke City: Defining Racists Since 2003" - add it to the club badge? Bloody hell, Stype Richards! I've been on the wrong side of him, what a dick he was! I walked out of the court with a small fine, but for a moment myself and my brief thought I was going to be sent down. Catch him on a good day (which didn't happen often) and you could walk away scot free (although guilty as hell). He wasn't having a good day the day I came across him .... I'm sure I read somewhere he was a big Derby fan and was Radio Derby's equivalent of 'our Nige'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:48:36 GMT
Interestingly our club has already resolved the question of whether chanting "you're just a town full of Pxxx's" is racist or not. By law it is. About a decade ago one of our halfwits was prosecuted for the same chant during an Oldham game. He appeared before the legendary local stipendiary Graham Richards at Fenton. Richards concluded that the chant did not amount to racial hatred. The Crown Prosecution Service were so incensed that they appealed the ruling to the court of appeal. They held that it was certainly racist. As they commented why would it be chanted unless it infered inferiority due to country of birth. Richards reputation never fully recovered. So, "Stoke City: Defining Racists Since 2003" - add it to the club badge? Yes....I remember it well. Inferiority inferred or otherwise is real. So real that regularly causes outrage and subsequently more subtly the closing of loopholes in our immigration conveyor belt of refugees ans asylum seekers. The term ''inferiority' can refer to a number of factors or issues , from devout and obssessive religious belief to the judicial systems employed by countries in the third world. We set our judicial standards high , but those to which you refer don't ...therein lies the crux to this debate. What's between the ears in terms of humanitary conscience and the third worlds ability to accept change /inferiority. This inferiority can mean the way it treats it's women all the way through to Sharia Law. The list is endless. It all depends on your interpretation of inferiority . It doesn't necessarily have to mean intellectually challenged or subversive.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 22:48:48 GMT
So if the chant today had been "You're all just a bunch of thieving cunts" (if there was a chant at all) - would this thread exist? We weren't playing Liverpool so that chant wouldn't have been heard today would it - or is that scouseist?
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 4, 2014 22:49:23 GMT
So if the chant today had been "You're all just a bunch of thieving cunts" (if there was a chant at all) - would this thread exist? It would if we were playing a welsh team
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 4, 2014 22:49:35 GMT
The answers can all be found in the history books Stafford. Although I suspect that if you spent a year of your life reading up on the subject, you'd still be asking the same question at the end of it, so God help anybody trying to explain it to you again on an internet message board. So now we can have differing levels of racism. Great. Of course not. Everything in the entire world is black or white, yes or no, bad or good. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying Stafford.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:49:37 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. No, we absolutely don't. The fact that you clearly do speaks volumes about you and your "close mates". He was at the meeting of the Sheffield and district KKK at the time, these things are often a topic of debate at the meetings or so I am told
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 4, 2014 22:51:14 GMT
Interestingly our club has already resolved the question of whether chanting "you're just a town full of Pxxx's" is racist or not. By law it is. About a decade ago one of our halfwits was prosecuted for the same chant during an Oldham game. He appeared before the legendary local stipendiary Graham Richards at Fenton. Richards concluded that the chant did not amount to racial hatred. The Crown Prosecution Service were so incensed that they appealed the ruling to the court of appeal. They held that it was certainly racist. As they commented why would it be chanted unless it infered inferiority due to country of birth. Richards reputation never fully recovered. So, "Stoke City: Defining Racists Since 2003" - add it to the club badge? Yes....I remember it well. Inferiority inferred or otherwise is real. So real that regularly causes outrage and subsequently more subtly the closing of loopholes in our immigration conveyor belt of refugees ans asylum seekers. The term ''inferiority' can refer to a number of factors or issues , from devout and obssessive religious belief to the judicial systems employed by countries in the third world. We set our judicial standards high , but those to which you refer don't ...therein lies the crux to this debate. What's between the ears in terms of humanitary conscience and the third worlds ability to accept change /inferiority. This inferiority can mean the way it treats it's women all the way through to Sharia Law. The list is endless. It all depends on your interpretation of inferiority . It doesn't necessarily have to mean intellectually challenged or subversive. What in god's name are you talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 22:53:55 GMT
So now we can have differing levels of racism. Great. Of course not. Everything in the entire world is black or white, yes or no, bad or good. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying Stafford. Try explain that to Staffs police in their world/handbook that is exactly how it is, no grey areas for them.
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Post by generationex on Jan 4, 2014 22:54:31 GMT
The law doesn't recognise regional discrimination - so you could chant "town full of thieves" at scousers - Or call us clayhead chipeaters - but if you did the same to Romanians it might amount to an offence! ( the thieving not chipeating I mean).
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Post by bmstoke on Jan 4, 2014 22:54:44 GMT
Frankly, its ludicrous that people are still chanting this rubbish in 2014. It should be "Just a town full of Bulgarians". Leek would be town full of Polish. Fuck off you Leekish twat.
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