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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 9, 2014 17:23:22 GMT
Cole was out of contract so "returned" on a free. Technically Agudelo is on a free isn't he? That may be a way round it. Yeah he is. So that hasn't changed then? I think he'd be able to join as long as there's only 24 in the squad. Unless because of his age he doesn't need to be added. He's on the cusp of sneaking in that way I think. Fingers crossed or alternatively a few palms crossed with silver.
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 9, 2014 17:48:16 GMT
Since Agudelo was under 21 at the start of the season I don't think he would need to be added to the 25 man squad.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2014 10:29:12 GMT
Belgian paperThe services of Juan Agudelo, the 21 year-old American striker bought by Stoke City but has not received a work permit to play in the Premier League, have not only been proposed to Anderlecht, but also to Standard .
Liège management follows the player for two years and could take the opportunity to dribble Anderlecht, who had tried in vain to buy Agudelo during the winter transfer window last year.
Remains whether the arrival of the U.S. international is desirable and desired time. The Liegeois are trimmed before (Batshuayi, Ezekiel, De Camargo, Mbombo ...) and do not account separate from an attacker.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 10, 2014 10:47:59 GMT
"bought by Stoke City" presumably / hopefully a loan rather than either of these clubs looking to buy him?
Is he our player now?
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Post by stokeramblers on Jan 10, 2014 11:04:59 GMT
"bought by Stoke City" presumably / hopefully a loan rather than either of these clubs looking to buy him? Is he our player now? No he isn't our player
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Post by jeycov on Jan 10, 2014 11:09:35 GMT
Do you interpret the article as these 2 clubs looking to buy him then?
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Post by stokeramblers on Jan 10, 2014 11:12:35 GMT
Do you interpret the article as these 2 clubs looking to buy him then? No, they're just jumping the gun about us signing him imo (I know you like a good 'imo')
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 10, 2014 11:47:17 GMT
I had this checked, if he does sign, he doesn't need too be added to our squad, he can go out on loan be recalled at anytime, if he signs he must be directly loaned straight away.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 10, 2014 12:54:45 GMT
I had this checked, if he does sign, he doesn't need too be added to our squad, he can go out on loan be recalled at anytime, if he signs he must be directly loaned straight away. My £@#!ng head hurts trying to work this $#!t out...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2014 13:27:28 GMT
Grapey, do You know if the the original pre-contract he signed with us still stands despite the work permit rejection? Looks like it may well do, Bayern! American site I know you have waited patiently, and I apologize. The reality is others are starting to get wind of things in a tricky Juan Agudelo situation, so consider this forced spillage. I wanted to carry on digging a little longer, but as we have seen already, plans are often best used to make God laugh.
So... let's start with the law. FIFA law. Apparently, there is a very real chance that Agudelo has remained a Stoke City man all along, even after his work permit denial. It seems there is a FIFA statute that says signed pre-deals can not simply be voided because of such things as the player failing to gain registration or picking up an injury. Now, I do not know if this would hold up in court if it came to that, or even which court it would hypothetically go to.
What I do know is Stoke are busily trying to find Agudelo a loan home - perhaps for the rest of the season, conceivably with an instant recall clause in the event he wins a work permit when allowed to apply again in March. He has been in contact with potential loan options in Belgium, the Netherlands (at least two there) and Spain. Obviously, these are countries without so many non-EU hurdles, though there is the Dutch minimum salary requirement which says an American passport gets one paid no less than about a half-million Euros per full season.
I cannot yet confirm or deny a fresh Daily Mail rumor linking him with Anderlecht, but Belgium's Het Laatste Nieuws (which is typically far more trustworthy than a UK tabloid) has already shot that down. I will say this much: it does kinda makes sense, most notably because Matias Suárez is out for the rest of the season. I can also not confirm if Valencia is still an option. My gut says the opportunity is gone, but admittedly my gut has not yet found proof for this theory.
I can confirm that good ol' AZ was among the Eredivisie clubs offered Agudelo on loan by Stoke, but they passed. Naturally, I am trying my best to pinpoint who said "Hmmm, naaah" and who thinks he could help on a short stay.
An MLSS report will follow at some point, hopefully with an added detail or two about possible destinations.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2014 13:34:12 GMT
Grapey, do You know if the the original pre-contract he signed with us still stands despite the work permit rejection? Looks like it may well do, Bayern! American site I know you have waited patiently, and I apologize. The reality is others are starting to get wind of things in a tricky Juan Agudelo situation, so consider this forced spillage. I wanted to carry on digging a little longer, but as we have seen already, plans are often best used to make God laugh.
So... let's start with the law. FIFA law. Apparently, there is a very real chance that Agudelo has remained a Stoke City man all along, even after his work permit denial. It seems there is a FIFA statute that says signed pre-deals can not simply be voided because of such things as the player failing to gain registration or picking up an injury. Now, I do not know if this would hold up in court if it came to that, or even which court it would hypothetically go to.
What I do know is Stoke are busily trying to find Agudelo a loan home - perhaps for the rest of the season, conceivably with an instant recall clause in the event he wins a work permit when allowed to apply again in March. He has been in contact with potential loan options in Belgium, the Netherlands (at least two there) and Spain. Obviously, these are countries without so many non-EU hurdles, though there is the Dutch minimum salary requirement which says an American passport gets one paid no less than about a half-million Euros per full season.
I cannot yet confirm or deny a fresh Daily Mail rumor linking him with Anderlecht, but Belgium's Het Laatste Nieuws (which is typically far more trustworthy than a UK tabloid) has already shot that down. I will say this much: it does kinda makes sense, most notably because Matias Suárez is out for the rest of the season. I can also not confirm if Valencia is still an option. My gut says the opportunity is gone, but admittedly my gut has not yet found proof for this theory.
I can confirm that good ol' AZ was among the Eredivisie clubs offered Agudelo on loan by Stoke, but they passed. Naturally, I am trying my best to pinpoint who said "Hmmm, naaah" and who thinks he could help on a short stay.
An MLSS report will follow at some point, hopefully with an added detail or two about possible destinations.
Cheers! I've been wondering about that since it was rejected.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 18:52:41 GMT
Mr. Transfer News ?@mrtransfernewss 48m Mark Hughes says he isn't thinking about a permanent deal for Assaidi at present.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2014 19:00:36 GMT
Mr. Transfer News ?@mrtransfernewss 48m Mark Hughes says he isn't thinking about a permanent deal for Assaidi at present. What about Agudelo?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 19:02:26 GMT
Getting my "A"s mixed up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:25:41 GMT
These foreign names - they all sound the same to me ....
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 11, 2014 7:52:57 GMT
Belgian paperThe services of Juan Agudelo, the 21 year-old American striker bought by Stoke City but has not received a work permit to play in the Premier League, have not only been proposed to Anderlecht, but also to Standard .
Liège management follows the player for two years and could take the opportunity to dribble Anderlecht, who had tried in vain to buy Agudelo during the winter transfer window last year.
Remains whether the arrival of the U.S. international is desirable and desired time. The Liegeois are trimmed before (Batshuayi, Ezekiel, De Camargo, Mbombo ...) and do not account separate from an attacker.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2014 22:26:48 GMT
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Post by claudinho on Jan 14, 2014 12:00:46 GMT
Juan Agudelo ?@juanagudelo Big Day tomorrow.. Follow me on Instagram ----- Jagudelo11 -------
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 14, 2014 12:14:36 GMT
"bought by Stoke City" presumably / hopefully a loan rather than either of these clubs looking to buy him? Is he our player now? No he isn't our player I hope that that position formally changes today also
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2014 12:28:33 GMT
Any indication yet which country he's going on loan to?
It's obviously got to be , first and foremost, somewhere where he can play games and impress - both in terms of him influencing the permit decision and having a run at the World Cup squad.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 14, 2014 12:30:52 GMT
Any indication yet which country he's going on loan to? It's obviously got to be , first and foremost, somewhere where he can play games and impress - both in terms of him influencing the permit decision and having a run at the World Cup squad. Hope he's got his passport with him....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2014 12:37:47 GMT
Sounds like a big club in Belgium or Holland is his destination. And it also appears that he has been a Stoke player for 2 weeks already! American siteWell, today he is definitely being announced as a Stoke City capture (apparently along with John Guidetti, a man with no less than five middle names). As I noted last week, a work permit denial cannot void a signed pre-deal, so he has actually remained a Stoke man in secret all along. They have been offering him around for a six-month loan for weeks now. I am also about 98% certain of where he is headed on loan (think big Low Lands club). I have been waiting for that last morsel of certainty since Sunday, and when it finally comes there will be a full MLSS report.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 14, 2014 12:59:31 GMT
Sounds like a big club in Belgium or Holland is his destination. And it also appears that he has been a Stoke player for 2 weeks already! American siteWell, today he is definitely being announced as a Stoke City capture (apparently along with John Guidetti, a man with no less than five middle names). As I noted last week, a work permit denial cannot void a signed pre-deal, so he has actually remained a Stoke man in secret all along. They have been offering him around for a six-month loan for weeks now. I am also about 98% certain of where he is headed on loan (think big Low Lands club). I have been waiting for that last morsel of certainty since Sunday, and when it finally comes there will be a full MLSS report.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:07:39 GMT
If it's Anderlecht hes going to then I wonder which player we're getting in return?
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Post by RichardTMP on Jan 14, 2014 13:11:14 GMT
Mbokani or that Suarez fella
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:14:43 GMT
Mbokani or that Suarez fella I swear that Suarez fella is out for the season? could be wrong though!
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Post by RichardTMP on Jan 14, 2014 13:17:39 GMT
Mbokani or that Suarez fella I swear that Suarez fella is out for the season? could be wrong though! Not to sure mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:19:21 GMT
I swear that Suarez fella is out for the season? could be wrong though! Not to sure mate. Not too often I'm right about something link
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2014 13:21:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:22:44 GMT
Meant to be a cracking player but can't see them doing a swap of any sort with a player they value at 7 million
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