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Post by owdestokie on Nov 9, 2013 23:44:48 GMT
The usual suspects will be all over this thread anytime now
It's just up their agenda driven street
I have to that's a classic post!!!!!!
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Post by owdestokie on Nov 9, 2013 23:49:41 GMT
My apologies. Should have read. Now that's a classic post!!!!
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Post by kingstokie on Nov 9, 2013 23:49:53 GMT
This will be a 20-pager this time tomorrow if we lose.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Nov 10, 2013 0:17:13 GMT
I would be less worried if we were genuinely playing well and just been unlucky. But we haven't.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 10, 2013 0:58:54 GMT
What I find surprising is that after doing pretty much the same as last season, some are holding up our visit to Swansea as a 'must win'.
This after the abject performance we delivered there last season. IMHO it was far worse than Norwich: we didn't even try to get something from the game last season.
I'd have to agree with KJ too. There are some who seem to gloat in any poor results.
thatznotabus was jubilant when Birmingham scored.
And how can Stafford profess undying loyalty to the club? When, because of his dislike of MH, he'd prefer to have Holloway or even Alan Ball in charge. How can that be having the best intention so SCFC?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 10, 2013 1:04:45 GMT
I would be less worried if we were genuinely playing well and just been unlucky. But we haven't. Missed pen at Liverpool - 1 more point. Ignoring the 4 or 5 decent chances for us (and all the chances for them). Fulham - 2 pens and a sending off - 3 more points. WBA - should have had a pen - minus 1 point (for balance) Norwich - blatant pen on KJ - a pen and them down to 10 men - 1 point (to be conservative). Man City - missed sitter by JW - 3 points. I don't think our luck has been dreadful, but we have been unlucky. A couple of those results going for us could have given us the confidence to get more.
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Post by werrington on Nov 10, 2013 1:10:31 GMT
I would be less worried if we were genuinely playing well and just been unlucky. But we haven't. Missed pen at Liverpool - 1 more point. Ignoring the 4 or 5 decent chances for us (and all the chances for them). Fulham - 2 pens and a sending off - 3 more points. WBA - should have had a pen - minus 1 point (for balance) Norwich - blatant pen on KJ - a pen and them down to 10 men - 1 point (to be conservative). Man City - missed sitter by JW - 3 points. I don't think our luck has been dreadful, but we have been unlucky. A couple of those results going for us could have given us the confidence to get more. Great post Tazi would of been all over the ref had he who shall not be named was still in charge Strange he hasn't mentioned the corrupt refereeing this season Oh well
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Post by gb on Nov 10, 2013 1:14:09 GMT
I am pretty sure we will be in the same postion tomorrow night . I hear the panic bells soon . Its getting serious . It ok keep going on how good we have played and lost put its still zero points .... I am sure that one of the teams below us will not be there in a few weeks ..
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 10, 2013 1:22:15 GMT
Missed pen at Liverpool - 1 more point. Ignoring the 4 or 5 decent chances for us (and all the chances for them). Fulham - 2 pens and a sending off - 3 more points. WBA - should have had a pen - minus 1 point (for balance) Norwich - blatant pen on KJ - a pen and them down to 10 men - 1 point (to be conservative). Man City - missed sitter by JW - 3 points. I don't think our luck has been dreadful, but we have been unlucky. A couple of those results going for us could have given us the confidence to get more. Great post Tazi would of been all over the ref had he who shall not be named was still in charge Strange he hasn't mentioned the corrupt refereeing this season Oh well This is what I don't get. The likes Of Tazi, Sheiky, MCF, Stafford sit there going: We're shit. Can't do that. Crap at that. Poor at that. Not as good as last season as that. Going to get relegated. ...then say we're completely backing the club and the manager (except for Stafford of course). When for the last few seasons - it didn't matter how shite we were, they'd see the positives, and shoot anyone down who questioned anything from the manager. Anything. Then they have the nerve to claim they don't have an agenda.
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Post by prem4stoke on Nov 10, 2013 1:40:44 GMT
Great post Tazi would of been all over the ref had he who shall not be named was still in charge Strange he hasn't mentioned the corrupt refereeing this season Oh well This is what I don't get. The likes Of Tazi, Sheiky, MCF, Stafford sit there going: We're shit. Can't do that. Crap at that. Poor at that. Not as good as last season as that. Going to get relegated. ...then say we're completely backing the club and the manager (except for Stafford of course). When for the last few seasons - it didn't matter how shite we were, they'd see the positives, and shoot anyone down who questioned anything from the manager. Anything. Then they have the nerve to claim they don't have an agenda. Ermm let me think would that be anything to do with some posters hating Pulis no matter what? I can't do with negativity I will stand by any of our players or managers who deserve respect.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Nov 10, 2013 2:22:17 GMT
I would be less worried if we were genuinely playing well and just been unlucky. But we haven't. Missed pen at Liverpool - 1 more point. Ignoring the 4 or 5 decent chances for us (and all the chances for them). Fulham - 2 pens and a sending off - 3 more points. WBA - should have had a pen - minus 1 point (for balance) Norwich - blatant pen on KJ - a pen and them down to 10 men - 1 point (to be conservative). Man City - missed sitter by JW - 3 points. I don't think our luck has been dreadful, but we have been unlucky. A couple of those results going for us could have given us the confidence to get more. If you say so, although I must have missed these penalties against Norwich and WBA (where we basically robbed a point). Were it not for Bego we would be further in the shit. And we have played poorly. No getting away from it. If we get a goal scorer in January I think we'll be fine, but at the moment I'm not sure. I actually fancy us against Swansea, but in the wide context of the season, I think we are in trouble. But hey, it was worse under Pulis right? Oh wait...
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Post by wearestoke80 on Nov 10, 2013 7:30:08 GMT
What I find surprising is that after doing pretty much the same as last season, some are holding up our visit to Swansea as a 'must win'. This after the abject performance we delivered there last season. IMHO it was far worse than Norwich: we didn't even try to get something from the game last season. I'd have to agree with KJ too. There are some who seem to gloat in any poor results. thatznotabus was jubilant when Birmingham scored. And how can Stafford profess undying loyalty to the club? When, because of his dislike of MH, he'd prefer to have Holloway or even Alan Ball in charge. How can that be having the best intention so SCFC? Win a few games get us up to around 12-14 and that will shut the moaners up. When we have not won in 6 games and in the bottom 3 then I would say they have every right to moan. Hughes can stop these posters moaning by winning few.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 10, 2013 7:54:28 GMT
There are monumental hypocrites on both sides and if you can't see that you are probably one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 8:18:41 GMT
Come on Stoke!
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Post by Matthews dad on Nov 10, 2013 8:28:19 GMT
There are monumental hypocrites on both sides and if you can't see that you are probably one of them. Less sense, more hypocrisy!
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Post by towraytek on Nov 10, 2013 8:34:47 GMT
Great if we can win it - we'll never get a better opportunity given the Vorm/Michu absence plus their long trip during the week.
But just dont lose. A point here, a win next week, and all of a sudden we have got a little run going.
There's no sign of any winning streak on the horizon so the target must be to get to mid-table security inch by inch.
Ek
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 10, 2013 9:49:27 GMT
Holier than though.
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Post by wembley1972 on Nov 10, 2013 10:12:41 GMT
Shouldn't be an agenda from either side of the divide, in fact it should unite rather than divide because the players have let the TP AND MH down since the turn of the year You are right JSU but we knew that in the Summer and spent a paltry £5m trying to address the issue. I actually think its more to do with their (the players) overall lack of quality than it is attitude I think one of the reason MH got the job is because the board told him they didn't want to throw millions into the pot and MH told the board he thought he could make the difference with the players he had at the club with a few on the cheap additions. They have to share the responsibility for getting it wrong, MH thought by backing the players he would get them onside, some he has some he hasn't. I am sure by now the problem is glaringly obvious, let's hope the January sales are a success !
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 10, 2013 10:18:45 GMT
Missed pen at Liverpool - 1 more point. Ignoring the 4 or 5 decent chances for us (and all the chances for them). Fulham - 2 pens and a sending off - 3 more points. WBA - should have had a pen - minus 1 point (for balance) Norwich - blatant pen on KJ - a pen and them down to 10 men - 1 point (to be conservative). Man City - missed sitter by JW - 3 points. I don't think our luck has been dreadful, but we have been unlucky. A couple of those results going for us could have given us the confidence to get more. If you say so, although I must have missed these penalties against Norwich and WBA (where we basically robbed a point). Were it not for Bego we would be further in the shit. And we have played poorly. No getting away from it. If we get a goal scorer in January I think we'll be fine, but at the moment I'm not sure. I actually fancy us against Swansea, but in the wide context of the season, I think we are in trouble. But hey, it was worse under Pulis right? Oh wait... But you can't take Bego out of the equation can you. It's like saying we wouldn't have scored as many goals without Steino. We did and we have.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 10, 2013 10:22:33 GMT
Our league position is the least of our worries at the moment. I think that a win today could take us up to 12th(?)
What is worrying however are the recent performances at home.
It's all great and well losing gloriously at Old Trafford but our success in the Premier League has been based on grinding out wins at home.
Todays game doesn't overly hold much significance in the grand scale of things, but the home game vs Sunderland certainly does!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 10:25:27 GMT
A draw would be a decent result today.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 10, 2013 10:30:07 GMT
A draw would be a decent result today. Agreed. Personally I can't see us doing any better. Swansea have been underperforming this season and I reckon we could end up on the wrong end of a backlash following their derby day defeat.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 10, 2013 10:31:40 GMT
There are monumental hypocrites on both sides and if you can't see that you are probably one of them. But one side formed their views over 10 years. On the other side they've formed their views is less than 10 games. Is it also not a coincidence that those who banged the drums loudest for TP and the ones hurling most criticism at MH? Of course there is hypocrisy on both sides. But at least one side formed their views over years rather than weeks.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 10, 2013 10:49:06 GMT
You are right JSU but we knew that in the Summer and spent a paltry £5m trying to address the issue. I actually think its more to do with their (the players) overall lack of quality than it is attitude I think one of the reason MH got the job is because the board told him they didn't want to throw millions into the pot and MH told the board he thought he could make the difference with the players he had at the club with a few on the cheap additions. They have to share the responsibility for getting it wrong, MH thought by backing the players he would get them onside, some he has some he hasn't. I am sure by now the problem is glaringly obvious, let's hope the January sales are a success ! I agree And whilst being caught in the crossfire of those defending TP's record and criticising Hughes whilst others are too busy arguing that Pulis needed to go and we need not panic there is clearly something else going on. I think it all boils down to the appetite of the owners. Pulis clearly threw his toys put of the pram last January and things went rapidly downhill from there on. This was due to money clearly not being made available to Pulis. They now have to decide if they want to back the new manager, allow him to 'write off' some fairly large sums of money and give him the funds to bring in his own players. Do they have the appetite for such significant levels of funding ? I'm not sure they do.
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Post by Gods on Nov 10, 2013 11:01:26 GMT
I think one of the reason MH got the job is because the board told him they didn't want to throw millions into the pot and MH told the board he thought he could make the difference with the players he had at the club with a few on the cheap additions. They have to share the responsibility for getting it wrong, MH thought by backing the players he would get them onside, some he has some he hasn't. I am sure by now the problem is glaringly obvious, let's hope the January sales are a success ! They now have to decide if they want to back the new manager, allow him to 'write off' some fairly large sums of money and give him the funds to bring in his own players. Do they have the appetite for such significant levels of funding ? I'm not sure they do. It's a gamble isn't it? If the 'new direction' looks like it will take us all the way in to the Championship then they will have "significant levels of 'un'funding" to deal with and they will have even less appetite for that. No easy answer A win, or at least not a defeat today, will enable them to put that question on the back-burner for a little longer at least.
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Post by redwhite on Nov 10, 2013 11:07:44 GMT
I would be less worried if we were genuinely playing well and just been unlucky. But we haven't. Missed pen at Liverpool - 1 more point. Ignoring the 4 or 5 decent chances for us (and all the chances for them). Fulham - 2 pens and a sending off - 3 more points. WBA - should have had a pen - minus 1 point (for balance) Norwich - blatant pen on KJ - a pen and them down to 10 men - 1 point (to be conservative). Man City - missed sitter by JW - 3 points. I don't think our luck has been dreadful, but we have been unlucky. A couple of those results going for us could have given us the confidence to get more. Agree. Especially against Fulham where we were robbed. Hughes actually has the excuse of saying we were unlucky in some of those games unlike Pulis who said we were unlucky no matter what the circumstances.
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Post by mystokebadge on Nov 10, 2013 11:44:19 GMT
Well I am not surprised I only go the home games but the last 3 home games we have been shite,and it could have been worse because we were very lucky to get a point against WBA.Last week we could not even take a corner that cleared the near post.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 10, 2013 12:35:53 GMT
There are monumental hypocrites on both sides and if you can't see that you are probably one of them. But one side formed their views over 10 years. On the other side they've formed their views is less than 10 games. Is it also not a coincidence that those who banged the drums loudest for TP and the ones hurling most criticism at MH? Of course there is hypocrisy on both sides. But at least one side formed their views over years rather than weeks. Works both ways though mate. Those that wanted to keep Pulis also formulated that view over ten years. Most wanted to keep him because they had faith he would always do what it takes. Its perfectly natural for some of that concern to play out on here at the moment. A couple of results will see NO ONE gutted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:58:06 GMT
Even Newcastle are a damned sight better than us, that's even after the majority on here we're convinced they were both wank and heading south.
Ahhhhh, well that's that's the knowledgable for ya.
You're on borrowed time Hughes boy.
However having said that Swansea 0 Stoke 3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:01:04 GMT
There are monumental hypocrites on both sides and if you can't see that you are probably one of them. But one side formed their views over 10 years. On the other side they've formed their views is less than 10 games. Is it also not a coincidence that those who banged the drums loudest for TP and the ones hurling most criticism at MH? Of course there is hypocrisy on both sides. But at least one side formed their views over years rather than weeks. Some even formed their views of Pulis even before he took over let alone your claim of 10 fooling years. Hughes is yesterday's news.
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