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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 15, 2013 8:21:01 GMT
1/171 and 300 in front. Could this be the return of the urn I wonder.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 15, 2013 8:30:55 GMT
Quick question, do England have a replacement for Prior? He's had a couple of chances to stump Davey Warner during this innings. Swann is a top flight spinner and has shown his skill once again. Good one Davey out for 112
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 9:13:55 GMT
Quick question, do England have a replacement for Prior? ... Not anyone proven, particularly. He's one of those keepers who is picked "for his batting" (and he's been very out of form in that regard). And I agree, great innings from Warner. 200/2 - Battered isn't the word. I'm lovin' my neighbours coming 'round, wondering if I am, "watching the cricket, mate"? "Cricket?", say I, "never heard of it, mate. Is that another sport that is only played over 'ere?!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 9:24:34 GMT
Quick question, do England have a replacement for Prior? They currently have Bairstow there as a fall back option, who is not a specialist wicket-keeper. Jos Buttler is the current ODI keeper but he's more of a batsman as is Craig Kieswetter. Steve Davies is a better keeper than both of those but didn't have the best of times in the ODI set-up. Ben Foakes is over there at the moment i think, wth the development squad. Essex wicket-keeper. I'm not 100% sure about who the best English keepers are outside of these "they can keep wicket but mainly they strengthen the batting" types that we plump for. In fact rewinding back to 2005 i was pissed off that Geraint Jones was picked ahead of Chris Read, that was simply because Jones added a bit with the bat. However Chris Read at that time was head and shoulders above any other English keeper. Obviously it worked out fine in the end but it signalled the way England were going and have gone since. Actually Jack Russell was faffed about in order for Stewart to keep wicket but that's very old news. Matt Prior was picked initially because he could bat and to his credit his keeping has improved and he's worked hard at it but at the moment like a lot of England players he's having a bit of a shocker all round.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 9:53:47 GMT
"Good morning, or afternoon, or evening....i'm not sure where you are back home, i know where we are here, all over the shop"
Summed up nicely there by Jonathan Agnew.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:47:44 GMT
Of all the bad days we've had this series that one took the biscuit. 4 down on a very very good batting track, one of the best batsmen in the world at the crease, 12 overs to bed in before the new ball and that was the best we could muster? Feel sorry for the bowlers although in truth they looked completely off the pace.
This team is in terminal decline I'm afraid. Prior was awful with both bat and gloves, Pietersen's body language suggests he'd rather be anywhere in the world but in Perth. I could go on.....
Not sure where we go for the next 2 tests? Part of me says bring all the fringe players in and make wholesale changes, but I don't think it matters, the Aussies have first and foremost got at England mentally, then they've outplayed themin every department. I think half the team are already on the plane home in their heads. Only the weather will stop a 5-0 drubbing now.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 15, 2013 12:26:08 GMT
Of all the bad days we've had this series that one took the biscuit. 4 down on a very very good batting track, one of the best batsmen in the world at the crease, 12 overs to bed in before the new ball and that was the best we could muster? Feel sorry for the bowlers although in truth they looked completely off the pace. This team is in terminal decline I'm afraid. Prior was awful with both bat and gloves, Pietersen's body language suggests he'd rather be anywhere in the world but in Perth. I could go on..... Not sure where we go for the next 2 tests? Part of me says bring all the fringe players in and make wholesale changes, but I don't think it matters, the Aussies have first and foremost got at England mentally, then they've outplayed themin every department. I think half the team are already on the plane home in their heads. Only the weather will stop a 5-0 drubbing now. No wholesale changes for the last two tests. Let the current collective see the mess through then change things for the ODIs with the instruction to those players that they are playing for test places in the summer - in particular places currently occupied by Cook, Pietersen and Prior (and of course Trott) but also, with some regret, Anderson and Swan. Our policy of consistent selection has a downside that some players seem undroppable; the old form is temporary, class is permanent argument. Well it's a fair argument, but it ain't one of nature's inviolate laws.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 14:06:01 GMT
feel sorry for all those who have spent hard earned dosh to support the england cricket team. i myself was contemplating going over for the boxing day and final test even getting as far as ringing the tour operator,i gave them all my details and had two very simple questions to ask them [1,how much for an upgrade, 2,i wanted to come home via bangkok]i had the funds in place but they never got back to me as promised.I got cold feet after a week [didnt trust myself drinking all day on my own in 30+ deg heat. for 5 days] still their loss. still i do hope everyone has a nice holiday it would be nice to have held on to the urn but we have underperformed and they have overperformed.at least take heart thats its wet and windy over here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 14:27:46 GMT
It's all been terribly disappointing ......and reading the same old stuff on here post after post is equally depressing .....we have been awful , how many more times does the finger need pointing at the same players ? Let's at least try and be optimistic in some way ......or why bother ?
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2013 14:47:43 GMT
An aging team who simply thought they had to turn up to reclaim the ashes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 14:57:45 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 15, 2013 15:08:17 GMT
It's all been terribly disappointing ......and reading the same old stuff on here post after post is equally depressing .....we have been awful , how many more times does the finger need pointing at the same players ? Let's at least try and be optimistic in some way ......or why bother ? Another way you could look at this is how perceptive some of posters on here have been who have consistently called the woeful state of our cricket team that leaves us in the shit position we are in today as summed up in this BBC story; England's dire tour hits new low in Perth. But you are right we should be more positive so how's this; there is no way we are going to lose this series 6-0!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 15, 2013 16:53:16 GMT
I'm positive Warner is a cunt.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 15, 2013 18:50:58 GMT
It's all been terribly disappointing ......and reading the same old stuff on here post after post is equally depressing .....we have been awful , how many more times does the finger need pointing at the same players ? Let's at least try and be optimistic in some way ......or why bother ? I'm optimistic much like the Pakistan tour I see this as a poor performance by a team better than they're showing. I've not read the whole thread but anyone who thinks Cook's place is under threat has to be a bit clueless about cricket. I still don't think Australia are any great shakes and they have more problems than England have regardless of them winning the Ashes. Root will go on to do more in a test career than Bailey and Smith do together. England have some very talented players coming through, I expect Jos Buttler for one to go on to be a very good test player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 21:31:05 GMT
It's all been terribly disappointing ......and reading the same old stuff on here post after post is equally depressing .....we have been awful , how many more times does the finger need pointing at the same players ? Let's at least try and be optimistic in some way ......or why bother ? Another way you could look at this is how perceptive some of posters on here have been who have consistently called the woeful state of our cricket team that leaves us in the shit position we are in today as summed up in this BBC story; England's dire tour hits new low in Perth. But you are right we should be more positive so how's this; there is no way we are going to lose this series 6-0! Almost amusing ......in a sad sort of way It's odd how England are always in a dire when we lose a series ......when we are winning nothing much seems to be said in that respect ....when we lose all of our decent players are past their sell by date .....the Captain is clueless , the batsmen can't bat , the bowlers can't bowl , Prior suddenly is useless and should be replaced ....yes all because of some knowledgable and perceptive posts on here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 21:43:07 GMT
It's all been terribly disappointing ......and reading the same old stuff on here post after post is equally depressing .....we have been awful , how many more times does the finger need pointing at the same players ? Let's at least try and be optimistic in some way ......or why bother ? I'm optimistic much like the Pakistan tour I see this as a poor performance by a team better than they're showing. I've not read the whole thread but anyone who thinks Cook's place is under threat has to be a bit clueless about cricket. I still don't think Australia are any great shakes and they have more problems than England have regardless of them winning the Ashes. Root will go on to do more in a test career than Bailey and Smith do together. England have some very talented players coming through, I expect Jos Buttler for one to go on to be a very good test player. And a lot of the players still in the team have a lot of mileage left in them regardless of the outcome of this dreadful showing ...it's been poor but we can come back from this ,it will be hard on this tour but starting next season we need to regroup and prepare for the next series in 2015
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 15, 2013 22:13:27 GMT
Another way you could look at this is how perceptive some of posters on here have been who have consistently called the woeful state of our cricket team that leaves us in the shit position we are in today as summed up in this BBC story; England's dire tour hits new low in Perth. But you are right we should be more positive so how's this; there is no way we are going to lose this series 6-0! Almost amusing ......in a sad sort of way It's odd how England are always in a dire when we lose a series ......when we are winning nothing much seems to be said in that respect ....when we lose all of our decent players are past their sell by date .....the Captain is clueless , the batsmen can't bat , the bowlers can't bowl , Prior suddenly is useless and should be replaced ....yes all because of some knowledgable and perceptive posts on here I feel your pain! Sincerely. In truth I'm in a blinding rage not just at the feeble performances to date in Australia but at how we've ended up in this state. But I don't agree that there has been no criticism when winning; plenty of that over a summer of success which comprised, for the most part, a series of unconvincing wins against mediocre opposition. The point is the problems that are self evident now have been apparent to keen cricket watchers for some time, many of whom have contributed some really good thoughts on this thread. Don't knock the posters - or shoot the messenger (so to speak). The same problems are of course well known to the England management and players (it ain't rocket science) who have the much harder task of fixing the problems. But that is their job! And they have singularly failed. But it will get better; even if it takes a little while. For the time being we get to eat some humble pie. Keep the faith
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 0:54:23 GMT
Almost amusing ......in a sad sort of way It's odd how England are always in a dire when we lose a series ......when we are winning nothing much seems to be said in that respect ....when we lose all of our decent players are past their sell by date .....the Captain is clueless , the batsmen can't bat , the bowlers can't bowl , Prior suddenly is useless and should be replaced ....yes all because of some knowledgable and perceptive posts on here I feel your pain! Sincerely. In truth I'm in a blinding rage not just at the feeble performances to date in Australia but at how we've ended up in this state. But I don't agree that there has been no criticism when winning; plenty of that over a summer of success which comprised, for the most part, a series of unconvincing wins against mediocre opposition. The point is the problems that are self evident now have been apparent to keen cricket watchers for some time, many of whom have contributed some really good thoughts on this thread. Don't knock the posters - or shoot the messenger (so to speak). The same problems are of course well known to the England management and players (it ain't rocket science) who have the much harder task of fixing the problems. But that is their job! And they have singularly failed. But it will get better; even if it takes a little while. For the time being we get to eat some humble pie. Keep the faith I have no problem with humble pie ....50 years of watching England has made me well practiced at eating it !........I always have kept the faith by the way .....obviously the problems have been building up for a while now .....but the constant referral to them by keen cricket watchers on here ( and I class myself amongst the keenest ) does not go anyway to solving them ...anyone with any understanding of the nuance of the game knows what the problems are with England are ....the constant criticism and carping about. England being a team in decline does not alter things in any way does it ? It does not make anyone an expert on the game by constantly stating what is obvious to us all .....some messengers I would quite happily shoot ...!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 0:57:36 GMT
1/171 and 300 in front. Could this be the return of the urn I wonder. You may be about to take it on loan for two years .....but return no ? ...after all it belongs to us ....you lot gave it to us didn't you ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 0:59:29 GMT
Almost amusing ......in a sad sort of way It's odd how England are always in a dire when we lose a series ......when we are winning nothing much seems to be said in that respect ....when we lose all of our decent players are past their sell by date .....the Captain is clueless , the batsmen can't bat , the bowlers can't bowl , Prior suddenly is useless and should be replaced ....yes all because of some knowledgable and perceptive posts on here I feel your pain! Sincerely. In truth I'm in a blinding rage not just at the feeble performances to date in Australia but at how we've ended up in this state. But I don't agree that there has been no criticism when winning; plenty of that over a summer of success which comprised, for the most part, a series of unconvincing wins against mediocre opposition. The point is the problems that are self evident now have been apparent to keen cricket watchers for some time, many of whom have contributed some really good thoughts on this thread. Don't knock the posters - or shoot the messenger (so to speak). The same problems are of course well known to the England management and players (it ain't rocket science) who have the much harder task of fixing the problems. But that is their job! And they have singularly failed. But it will get better; even if it takes a little while. For the time being we get to eat some humble pie. Keep the faith In truth I'm just gutted ....I'm sorry I wear my heart on my sleeve .....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:02:26 GMT
If I've irritated other supporters of England I apologise .....I am just forever the optimist ( living in hope )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:06:32 GMT
Utter shit....
Yawn...and goodnight.
The end
mumf
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:12:22 GMT
Utter shit.... Yawn...and goodnight. The end mumf As if you would have any understanding of it ? ........the mud huts need your attention ....see to them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:19:29 GMT
Utter shit.... Yawn...and goodnight. The end mumf As if you would have any understanding of it ? ........the mud huts need your attention ....see to them You don't need brains to watch paint dry...That's probably why it appeals to you. You've got far to much time on your hands....Go and get the Mrs a new pair of Gold Sandals ready for your next Canaries luxurious holiday... I'm off to see a man about a dog. mumf
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:26:32 GMT
As if you would have any understanding of it ? ........the mud huts need your attention ....see to them You don't need brains to watch paint dry...That's probably why it appeals to you. You've got far to much time on your hands....Go and the Mrs a new pair of Gold Sandals ready for your next Canaries luxurious holiday... I'm off to see a man about a dog. mumf I agree I do have to much time on my hands .....I wish that I hadn't ....but you know how it is ...medical probs and all that .....and I will enjoy my next Canary holiday ...I always do .......I hope it's a nice dog for your sake ......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:35:48 GMT
I'll probably go for a mongrel....They don't tend to be as image conscious or have an ego.../highly strung.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:43:36 GMT
I'll probably go for a mongrel....They don't tend to be as image conscious or have an ego.../highly strung. You can't beat a mongrel I suppose .....? but I would obviously bow to your superior knowledge in this field ....I do like Jack Russels however ? What do you think ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 1:50:19 GMT
I'll probably go for a mongrel....They don't tend to be as image conscious or have an ego.../highly strung. You can't beat a mongrel I suppose .....? but I would obviously bow to your superior knowledge in this field ....I do like Jack Russels however ? What do you think ? Excellent dogs for ratting.# One snap at the back of the head and its all over....... Get a good bitch of working stock and you can sling your rat traps. Failing that ....move to a better area. mumf
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 16, 2013 2:57:47 GMT
It's looking as if Watson is attempting to have Swann removed from the England attack. I suspect revenge.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 16, 2013 3:13:35 GMT
Whoops, there goes Smith. Caught looking for quick runs.
Sorry to hear about your medical problems Bisp. Hopefully it's a temporary condition.
I sense that the Aus team is looking to declare sooner rather than later.
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