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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 9:32:15 GMT
143-5 was the greatest opportunity to actually shift the momentum in this series. To be on top for once and actually capitalise on it. So what happens.... 304-6 is the current Australian score. If England were 143-5 earlier on today they'd have been all out for under 175.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 13, 2013 9:35:45 GMT
And on the subject of pace - why no Finn today? We are 2-0 down and need to get back into the series so bold decisions are needed. Instead we see England favouring the "safe" option; a medium pace trundler who can bat a bit. Except this is Perth where bowlers who get pace and bounce do well so the safe option amounts to fuck all. (Go on Tim - prove me wrong; get the last 4 wickets because figures, so far, of 20-4-70-0 are pish. Oh - and score a good 50+ when you bat!). I agree, Swan and Bres seems too safe. If Fynn isn't playing here, then he isn't playing anywhere. 277/6 - A bit less than an hour to go ... 4 wickets would be priceless. But all we seem to want to do is chat amongst ourselves! Glad you mentioned Swan because Panesar would have been the bold selection for this test as Perth's bounce and pace would suit him, as well as the fact that 9 of the Aussie team are right hand bats which would favour Monty more than Swan. Same old England; always too cautious. In selection, tactics, declarations... (I think though we can forget about that last one for this series; oh to be in the position to consider a declaration!).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 9:37:34 GMT
Groundhog Day. The way we've bowled too short when on top is piss poor. Pure stupidity on the part of the captain and bowlers. This game is slipping away, their tail wags and ours rolls over and has it's belly tickled.
Should be saying 350 is decent from us, but you just know it's too many don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 9:39:12 GMT
I agree, Swan and Bres seems too safe. If Fynn isn't playing here, then he isn't playing anywhere. 277/6 - A bit less than an hour to go ... 4 wickets would be priceless. But all we seem to want to do is chat amongst ourselves! Glad you mentioned Swan because Panesar would have been the bold selection for this test as Perth's bounce and pace would suit him, as well as the fact that 9 of the Aussie team are right hand bats which would favour Monty more than Swan. Same old England; always too cautious. In selection, tactics, declarations... Picked for his slip catching according to the TMS guys. Don't you need to find the edge regularly for that to work though? He doesn't look the same bowler since his Op last year......
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 13, 2013 9:54:16 GMT
143-5 was the greatest opportunity to actually shift the momentum in this series. To be on top for once and actually capitalise on it.So what happens.... 304-6 is the current Australian score. If England were 143-5 earlier on today they'd have been all out for under 175. To capitalise you need the right tactics and selection. In Australia you need a tactic for overs 30-60 when the Kookaburra goes soft and reverse swing hasn't kicked in. The England management prefer to try and contain in that period so they don't like Finn, or Monty for that matter, who can be expensive. But, time and again, this moment in the inning (around 40-50 overs) is being reached with Aussie 5 or 6 wickets down and we go into containment mode allowing their good lower order batsmen time to settle in and score significant runs. In other words there is a reason why we fail to capitalise on a promising start; we don't pick a team to drive home an advantage.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 13, 2013 10:00:55 GMT
Glad you mentioned Swan because Panesar would have been the bold selection for this test as Perth's bounce and pace would suit him, as well as the fact that 9 of the Aussie team are right hand bats which would favour Monty more than Swan. Same old England; always too cautious. In selection, tactics, declarations... Picked for his slip catching according to the TMS guys. Don't you need to find the edge regularly for that to work though? He doesn't look the same bowler since his Op last year...... Please say it ain't so! But doesnt it say in the bible that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for one of our "favoured" players to get dropped which does explain things; don't argue with the good book!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 10:08:43 GMT
Couldn't decide whether we're just low on form/confidence or a team in decline? Starting to fear it might be the latter..........
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Post by Gods on Dec 13, 2013 11:16:21 GMT
It's deja vu Australia's first innings from the last test isn't it?
England get 5 early'ish wickets then the 2nd half of the Australian batting order simply takes the game away from us.
We could be staring the thick end of 550 in the face again and it's another damage limitation exercise.
In fairness you have to give Australia some credit here. They seem to have a team which bats well right down the order and isn't afraid to take the attack to the bowlers.
They seem to have some decent physical specimens whereas I remain to be convinced that for all the personal trainers, sports scientists and dieticians the England team have in tow that we actually have any decent athletes.
We still look like bunch of blacksmiths and publicans to me. Like the game has never quite got off the village green.
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Post by Maccca100 on Dec 13, 2013 11:16:30 GMT
Just got back from the WACA.
My thoughts.
You try running in 40 degree heat for 7 hours.
Until you are actually at the ground and experience the full conditions and not just sitting watching on TV you don't understand.. A bit like the armchair fans we have who never go the games.
simple thing is heat, and fatigue cost us after lunch.
Brutal brutal heat.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2013 11:42:04 GMT
Bresnan needs to be put to bed asap. He's just not good enough and as a third seamer we need more of a wicket taker. And his batting isn't even that good and certainly not good enough to make up for the bowling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 11:57:42 GMT
It's deja vu Australia's first innings from the last test isn't it? England get 5 early'ish wickets then the 2nd half of the Australian batting order simply takes the game away from us. We could be staring the thick end of 550 in the face again and it's another damage limitation exercise. In fairness you have to give Australia some credit here. They seem to have a team which bats well right down the order and isn't afraid to take the attack to the bowlers. They seem to have some decent physical specimens whereas I remain to be convinced that for all the personal trainers, sports scientists and dieticians the England team have in tow that we actually have any decent athletes. We still look like bunch of blacksmiths and publicans to me. Like the game has never quite got off the village green. " blacksmiths and publicans " on the village green .......absurd even for you Gods ......although I will concede that Bresnan does indeed look a little like a blacksmith.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 12:01:35 GMT
Just got back from the WACA. My thoughts. You try running in 40 degree heat for 7 hours. Until you are actually at the ground and experience the full conditions and not just sitting watching on TV you don't understand.. A bit like the armchair fans we have who never go the games. simple thing is heat, and fatigue cost us after lunch. Brutal brutal heat. Having watched a couple of tests in Oz I know exactly what it's like to experience 40 degree heat, didn't get mentioned when the team was winning in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India and previous Ashes tours though did it? Not saying the conditions weren't very tough, but we let the game drift and that cost us.....
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Post by Gods on Dec 13, 2013 12:02:12 GMT
Just got back from the WACA. My thoughts. You try running in 40 degree heat for 7 hours. Until you are actually at the ground and experience the full conditions and not just sitting watching on TV you don't understand.. A bit like the armchair fans we have who never go the games. simple thing is heat, and fatigue cost us after lunch. Brutal brutal heat. Are you implying Australia will have the same problem when they come to field or that the Autsralian team is somehow better able to adapt to the heat
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 12:02:15 GMT
Just got back from the WACA. My thoughts. You try running in 40 degree heat for 7 hours. Until you are actually at the ground and experience the full conditions and not just sitting watching on TV you don't understand.. A bit like the armchair fans we have who never go the games. simple thing is heat, and fatigue cost us after lunch. Brutal brutal heat. It's possibly not so hot in my living room as it is at the WACA .....but even from the comfort of my armchair I am able to distinguish between good, poor and indifferent bowling .....it becomes easier the more of it you watch !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 12:02:24 GMT
It's deja vu Australia's first innings from the last test isn't it? England get 5 early'ish wickets then the 2nd half of the Australian batting order simply takes the game away from us. We could be staring the thick end of 550 in the face again and it's another damage limitation exercise. In fairness you have to give Australia some credit here. They seem to have a team which bats well right down the order and isn't afraid to take the attack to the bowlers. They seem to have some decent physical specimens whereas I remain to be convinced that for all the personal trainers, sports scientists and dieticians the England team have in tow that we actually have any decent athletes. We still look like bunch of blacksmiths and publicans to me. Like the game has never quite got off the village green. " blacksmiths and publicans " on the village green .......absurd even for you Gods ......although I will concede that Bresnan does indeed look a little like a blacksmith. Bresnan did a decent job of holding the end that Swann was meant to be holding. Felt sorry for him to be honest......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 12:08:52 GMT
" blacksmiths and publicans " on the village green .......absurd even for you Gods ......although I will concede that Bresnan does indeed look a little like a blacksmith. Bresnan did a decent job of holding the end that Swann was meant to be holding. Felt sorry for him to be honest...... In this instance I was not referring to his bowling mate , he bowled his usual steady stuff ......just that I could imagine him swinging the blacksmith hammer on the anvil in the forge ....perhaps a little unfair of me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2013 12:25:55 GMT
Anderson is a steady Eddy too when he needs to be (ie when it's not swinging), it's why I can't see the need for Bresnan. It's just a conservative, weak choice. We need to take wickets, he doesn't help the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 13:23:18 GMT
Anderson is a steady Eddy too when he needs to be (ie when it's not swinging), it's why I can't see the need for Bresnan. It's just a conservative, weak choice. We need to take wickets, he doesn't help the cause. Anderson has been just that all series so far , there has not been much swing in evidence in any of the tests ,he has looked pretty innocuous up to now
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2013 13:27:03 GMT
Anderson is a steady Eddy too when he needs to be (ie when it's not swinging), it's why I can't see the need for Bresnan. It's just a conservative, weak choice. We need to take wickets, he doesn't help the cause. Anderson has been just that all series so far , there has not been much swing in evidence in any of the tests ,he has looked pretty innocuous up to now Definitely but he ties up an end with good line, length and discipline. That's why I can't see the need for Bresnan at all.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 13, 2013 16:34:26 GMT
They knew it was a "must win game" but they've gone for the 'safe' option of Bres.
Really does beggar belief that they would ignore Finn - or Finn must really be out of sorts.
Does that mean that they may as well send Tremlett, Finn and Rankin home? If they weren't going to play them in Perth they may as well not be there.
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Post by apb1979 on Dec 13, 2013 17:11:32 GMT
It just shows the whole squad selection was shit. Heads should roll.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Dec 13, 2013 17:32:28 GMT
Saker admitted as much on sky.
Sent from my ST25i using proboards
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 13, 2013 18:51:07 GMT
Anderson has been just that all series so far , there has not been much swing in evidence in any of the tests ,he has looked pretty innocuous up to now Definitely but he ties up an end with good line, length and discipline. That's why I can't see the need for Bresnan at all. Abolutely - particularly when they selected another seam bowler, Stokes. As mentioned separately, everything about England's cricket reeks of caution and conservatism; it's not a question of who could be best, more one of what would be least risky. It started with Strauss in that lost series in the West Indies and has continued with Cook. The home series against New Zealand this summer was the same, if not worse, typified by that appalling slow batting on the Sunday evening at Headingley by Trott. The response is "look at all our wins" which is fair enough - but the sad truth is we've beaten mediocre opposition and let our standards slip and now we are being tested, we're coming up short. Fair play to Australia - they are playing, and winning, with style. We are just shit.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 13, 2013 22:00:53 GMT
Sums up the first day:
Former England batsman Geoffrey Boycott: "At five down, England were not good enough to grasp the opportunity. The concern for England is that James Anderson is not doing anything with the ball, he was straight up and down. Graeme Swann has been a matchwinner for England and controlled matches when he isn't taking wickets. He could do neither today - he was gifted his two wickets." Former England captain Michael Vaughan: "Australia's tail fancies getting runs against England's attack, yet England's lower order just cannot handle the pace of the Australian attack. England's batsmen need to score 80% or more of their runs for the team to have any chance." (Source: BBC Sport)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 1:56:34 GMT
Well, 'ere we go again
Get us off the field and into the shade of the hutch as fast as possible. If we have to spend the majority of another day in the field, we'll struggle to have the energy to bat for one innings, never mind 2. Above 35C, my rule is only to leave the comfort of air conditioning if a bushfire is about to level the place I am using to shelter. 43C is - as was said last night by Macca - brutal, it'll burn the hairs of your arms.
Can we salvage a bit of pride?
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Post by craig67 on Dec 14, 2013 2:25:52 GMT
Anderson has been just that all series so far , there has not been much swing in evidence in any of the tests ,he has looked pretty innocuous up to now Definitely but he ties up an end with good line, length and discipline. And few wickets. I can bowl good line and length as can Bresnan. The idea is to bowl out the opposition not contain them!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 2:35:18 GMT
Gone! Good start, Stuie
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2013 2:36:12 GMT
Get in
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Post by apb1979 on Dec 14, 2013 2:37:31 GMT
Great start. Let's rip through this tail before they get above 350
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 2:53:22 GMT
Gone! Smith muttering darkly as he wanders off ... Looked pad by the "soft" snicko result? Still ... Who cares, eh Keep it going, lads
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