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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 15:47:53 GMT
Come boxing day I fear these kind of posts will be plentiful. Les just has to make sure the second half of the season is an improvement. Factually incorrect posts? I agree!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 20, 2013 15:47:58 GMT
He used the BBC for his stats LOL. Unbelievable. Shit bin. And anyway, if it weren't for Pulis we wouldn't be in this position. He's made practically every player we have so defensive minded. It's going to take a lot of work to rectify this. Yet it was hughes who got the praise for the good start with the same players.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2013 15:51:23 GMT
He used the BBC for his stats LOL. Unbelievable. Shit bin. And anyway, if it weren't for Pulis we wouldn't be in this position. He's made practically every player we have so defensive minded. It's going to take a lot of work to rectify this. It's not easy, but let's not fucking mystify this. Les has taken over a stable club with some belting players. He's got to keep us up. No excuses. Or I doubt he'll work again.
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Post by cartman123 on Oct 20, 2013 15:54:30 GMT
He used the BBC for his stats LOL. Unbelievable. Shit bin. And anyway, if it weren't for Pulis we wouldn't be in this position. He's made practically every player we have so defensive minded. It's going to take a lot of work to rectify this. Yet it was hughes who got the praise for the good start with the same players. I think we've had a fairly stable start. Not sure what's so funny?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2013 15:54:56 GMT
Come boxing day I fear these kind of posts will be plentiful. Les just has to make sure the second half of the season is an improvement. Factually incorrect posts? I agree! facts? shots on target? do you think I fell off a Christmas tree
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 15:55:04 GMT
He used the BBC for his stats LOL. Unbelievable. Shit bin. And anyway, if it weren't for Pulis we wouldn't be in this position. He's made practically every player we have so defensive minded. It's going to take a lot of work to rectify this. It's not easy, but let's not fucking mystify this. Les has taken over a stable club with some belting players. He's got to keep us up. No excuses. Or I doubt he'll work again. I don't think it is that easy. Whoever took over from TP would have had a massively difficult job imo. Staying up and changing virtually a decade of culture (and it needs to be changed) will take a massive effort.
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Post by cartman123 on Oct 20, 2013 15:55:32 GMT
He used the BBC for his stats LOL. Unbelievable. Shit bin. And anyway, if it weren't for Pulis we wouldn't be in this position. He's made practically every player we have so defensive minded. It's going to take a lot of work to rectify this. It's not easy, but let's not fucking mystify this. Les has taken over a stable club with some belting players. He's got to keep us up. No excuses. Or I doubt he'll work again. Not really. Our forward line is shit. I mean, take Walters. There's no way he's a premier league player. He's garbage.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 15:55:35 GMT
Factually incorrect posts? I agree! facts? shots on target? do you think I fell off a Christmas tree Luke's stats are wrong!
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 20, 2013 15:56:21 GMT
According to Soccerbase the stats are 26 last season and 28 this season. Oh really? Curiouser and curiouser.
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Post by cartman123 on Oct 20, 2013 15:57:53 GMT
Eh Stafford, why hasn't your mate got another job yet?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2013 15:58:19 GMT
It's not easy, but let's not fucking mystify this. Les has taken over a stable club with some belting players. He's got to keep us up. No excuses. Or I doubt he'll work again. Not really. Our forward line is shit. I mean, take Walters. There's no way he's a premier league player. He's garbage. from dull but midly provocative to boring and inneffectual in two consecutive posts - its like our tale of two seasons
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Post by digger on Oct 20, 2013 15:58:30 GMT
facts? shots on target? do you think I fell off a Christmas tree Luke's stats are wrong! [/qu correct we played reading away not at home
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Post by cartman123 on Oct 20, 2013 16:00:04 GMT
Not really. Our forward line is shit. I mean, take Walters. There's no way he's a premier league player. He's garbage. from dull but midly provocative to boring and inneffectual in two consecutive posts - its like our tale of two seasons Don't read my posts then.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2013 16:08:21 GMT
facts? shots on target? do you think I fell off a Christmas tree Luke's stats are wrong! My eyes tell me we are not as threatening as last year and worse at the back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 16:10:03 GMT
Luke's stats are wrong! My eyes tell me we are not as threatening as last year and worse at the back. My eyes disagree!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 20, 2013 16:10:05 GMT
Eh Stafford, why hasn't your mate got another job yet? Has he applied for any?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 16:10:08 GMT
When were we threatening last year exactly? In this very fixture last season I seem to recall us taking 92 minutes to create a chance worthy of the name.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 16:11:11 GMT
When were we threatening last year exactly? In this very fixture last season I seem to recall us taking 92 minutes to create a chance worthy of the name. I can't remember last years game against them at all.
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Post by luke45 on Oct 20, 2013 16:11:22 GMT
I'm willing to accept the BBC's stats I provided probably are wrong but the point I made in the original post isn't exactly proven incorrect by the stats opta have provided either. We have brought in four creative midfield players over the summer ( Assaidi, Arnie, Pennant, Ireland ) and so far ( if opta's stats are correct ) we've mustered up two attempts more on target than last season in arguably easier fixtures. It still doesn't exactly make for good reading even if my original stats are wrong does it?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2013 16:11:45 GMT
My eyes tell me we are not as threatening as last year and worse at the back. My eyes disagree! now THAT is a fact
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 20, 2013 16:12:05 GMT
My eyes tell me we are not as threatening as last year and worse at the back. My eyes disagree!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 16:13:25 GMT
I'm willing to accept the BBC's stats I provided probably are wrong but the point I made in the original post isn't exactly proven incorrect by the stats opta have provided either. We have brought in four creative midfield players over the summer ( Assaidi, Arnie, Pennant, Ireland ) and so far ( if opta's stats are correct ) we've mustered up two attempts more on target than last season in arguably easier fixtures. It still doesn't exactly make for good reading even if my original stats are wrong does it? No, but again I struggle to believe anyone reckoned we'd immediately be miles better when we're adjusting to a new regime, manager and structure.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 16:16:02 GMT
My eyes disagree! I'm fine ta. We were shit attacking wise last season and we're less shit this season. I'm not saying we're the bees knees here but I think we look like more of a threat. It's still not enough but it's going to be with the same players we had last season. Arnie and Ireland look like a real menace and if we can add a striker to that who can play a bit then I think we'll be away. But it's a work in progress and so far it's going ok I think. There are obvious deficiencies and they need sorting. But there's plenty of time will there be the money to do it? We have to wait and see.
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Post by luke45 on Oct 20, 2013 16:21:50 GMT
I'm willing to accept the BBC's stats I provided probably are wrong but the point I made in the original post isn't exactly proven incorrect by the stats opta have provided either. We have brought in four creative midfield players over the summer ( Assaidi, Arnie, Pennant, Ireland ) and so far ( if opta's stats are correct ) we've mustered up two attempts more on target than last season in arguably easier fixtures. It still doesn't exactly make for good reading even if my original stats are wrong does it? No, but again I struggle to believe anyone reckoned we'd immediately be miles better when we're adjusting to a new regime, manager and structure. I didn't expect us to be miles better straight away that's for sure. My original post was highlighting that our problems lie further than strikers who can't convert chances and our service from the midfielders hasn't been good enough either, the opta stats haven't altered my opinion on that. Our service from the midfield from open play and dead ball situations has been largely poor so far despite bringing in four creative minded midfielders.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 16:22:55 GMT
No, but again I struggle to believe anyone reckoned we'd immediately be miles better when we're adjusting to a new regime, manager and structure. I didn't expect us to be miles better straight away that's for sure. My original post was highlighting that our problems lie further than strikers who can't convert chances and our service from the midfielders hasn't been good enough either, the opta stats haven't altered my opinion on that. Our service from the midfield from open play and dead ball situations has been largely poor so far despite bringing in four creative minded midfielders. The service hasn't been the best but I think Arnie and Ireland are playing really quite well and are being let down by those behind and in front of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 16:23:28 GMT
No, but again I struggle to believe anyone reckoned we'd immediately be miles better when we're adjusting to a new regime, manager and structure. I didn't expect us to be miles better straight away that's for sure. My original post was highlighting that our problems lie further than strikers who can't convert chances and our service from the midfielders hasn't been good enough either, the opta stats haven't altered my opinion on that. Our service from the midfield from open play and dead ball situations has been largely poor so far despite bringing in four creative minded midfielders. I wouldn't dispute that, and it's a big cause for concern. At least we're trying though. We're a lot more positive and that's a good thing IMO.
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 20, 2013 16:26:25 GMT
Eh Stafford, why hasn't your mate got another job yet? Has he applied for any? He's had plenty of work since leaving us!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2013 16:37:40 GMT
I didn't expect us to be miles better straight away that's for sure. My original post was highlighting that our problems lie further than strikers who can't convert chances and our service from the midfielders hasn't been good enough either, the opta stats haven't altered my opinion on that. Our service from the midfield from open play and dead ball situations has been largely poor so far despite bringing in four creative minded midfielders. I wouldn't dispute that, and it's a big cause for concern. At least we're trying though. We're a lot more positive and that's a good thing IMO. I honestly think that with a DM providing a stable platform to build on and a striker who can hold the ball and actually move (none of ours do this) then we'll create more with it due to the space that will open up. That lack of a focal point up top is killing us and doesn't allow space for players like Arnie and Ireland to run into.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 16:38:22 GMT
I wouldn't dispute that, and it's a big cause for concern. At least we're trying though. We're a lot more positive and that's a good thing IMO. I honestly think that with a DM providing a stable platform to build on and a striker who can hold the ball and actually move (none of ours do this) then we'll create more with it due to the space that will open up. That lack of a focal point up top is killing us and doesn't allow space for players like Arnie and Ireland to run into. They definitely need to be the two priorities I agree.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2013 16:46:55 GMT
I'm prepared to be quite even handed and after a very promising start, the last 2 home games have been very disappointing. Yesterday wasn't quite as bad as the Norwich game as there were a few positives for a start.
I would say that we are TRYING to be more positive in games this season to date. Yesterday's selection was a bold one and something we would never have seen under the previous regime. The current manager seems to be spending more time trying to work out how he can get this group of players to score goals than he does worrying about what COULD happen at the other end.
Despite that, we look equally as less likely to score goals as we did last season. However, at least yesterday, we created a few chances and had some chances to score whereas last season, in the same fixture, our first shot in anger came in the 92nd minute. Walters not even making contact with an easy header, Arnie somehow failing to get a shot in second half on the edge of the box (why oh why did he pass it), Adam from half way, Walters scuffed effort first half when a touch and a rifled shot would have troubled the keeper (or the fans), Ireland's sitter and Arnie being a toe end from a tap in.
If you take the last 2 home games in isolation, my analysis would be that it is a different type of shit, but it is shit all the same. Our game was slow and pedestrian with little movement last season and it is much the same this season. The only difference is that we keep the ball for longer before giving it straight back to the opposition.
However, my belief based on what my eyes are seeing is that with the right backing, some patience and a few things clicking into place, the current set up has just as much chance of being very good as it does of being very bad whereas last season was the culmination of 2 shocking seasons where the team was heading in only one direction.
Also, I think that this season could very well have a tinge of the Boskamp season about it in that we will probably witness some pretty shabby home performances and ultimately some pretty crappy home defeats but on the road, we will more often than not play pretty well and will probably pick up some very good and very unexpected (if you take the previous away form as the norm) points on our travels.
Ultimately, I think we will end up in the same place this season as we did in the last two seasons, just about keeping our heads above water and somewhere in the region of 13th - 16th. I suppose, personally, I would take that, because another season of Pulis in the vein he was going would have meant certain relegation in my opinion.
At least this season, it is in the balance somewhat and could go either way!
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