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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 15:45:24 GMT
Sunday sorry! Damn tv
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Post by Bombus on Sept 22, 2013 15:52:49 GMT
Think the league cup will be a chance for one or two to earn a start on Saturday. Going off the fact Jones was put into the team against West Ham based on his goals against Walsall I think Hughes actually uses the competition to judge players rather than merely give them a run out. I think you might be spot on here, mate. I'm hoping to see Arnautovic and Shea on the wings versus Norwich!
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Post by nodders on Sept 22, 2013 16:08:05 GMT
Only change to make next week should be Ireland instead of Adam and I think we could see a special performance from the boys against Norwich.
Jones still needs to start ahead of Crouch, afraid I am more mobile than Crouchie these days even with me tendonitis playing up.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 22, 2013 16:29:11 GMT
We need to keep KJ on I reckon, just because Crouch doesn't fit in our system at all. We could even use Cam Jerome right now, even though he's never been prolific.
I'm not sure whether I'd keep Adam in the team. He created some good stuff against Man City and I think he was shit today but he does a decent job against teams that play like Norwich. Otherwise I'd be tempted to put Palacios in there based on today's performance. He's always been played as a defensive midfielder but he looked well up for getting forwards today.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 22, 2013 17:49:27 GMT
Any starting 11 that doesn't include Walters, Crouch and Adam will more than do for me.
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Post by sjohank on Sept 22, 2013 19:01:22 GMT
Bego Cameron Ryan Huth Pieters Wilson Adam N'Zonzi Pennant Jones Arnautovic Adam again? Swap him with Ireland, and I agree! :-)
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 19:02:42 GMT
No way Adam will play after that performance surely, Ireland will start he looked bright inventive in fact he was excellent He needs to play v the Norwichs etc mate I'd start the same team that started today Walters at home to Norwich though mate?
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Post by sjohank on Sept 22, 2013 19:04:14 GMT
Bego Cameron Huth Shawcross Pieters N'Zonzi Wilson Pennant Ireland Arnautovic Jones You have stolen my team - completely agree ;-)
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 19:06:14 GMT
Begovic Cameron Shawcross Huth Pieters Arnautovic Wilson Ireland N'Zonzi Walters Jones Tin hat firmly on for picking walters At home to Norwich? Is it really necessary?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 19:08:28 GMT
Been watching him down the training ground a couple of times lately, mate - he's looking sharp. Shea that is. I watched him for the Under 21s yesterday. He's absolute dog shit. Team for me should be:- Bego Cameron Huth Shawcross Pieters Wilson N'Zonzi Ireland Arnie Jones Walters It's a hard call re: Adam, because until today he's started the season quite well. He was awful today though. The rest of the side has been clicking well, and I don't think Walters deserves to lose hi splace just yet. I'd be hovering over his position with Pennant though. I've not watched enough of Asaidi to form any kind of judgement on him- he looks fast but a bit lightweight. I'm sure he'll get a game against Tranmere, so we can have a look at him on Wednesday. You don't think Walters deserves to lose his place despite scoring 0 goals, creating nothing, costing us goals at the other end while frequently missing sitters. What does he have to do to get dropped ?
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Post by werrington on Sept 22, 2013 19:08:46 GMT
He needs to play v the Norwichs etc mate I'd start the same team that started today Walters at home to Norwich though mate? Walters needs replacing ASAP mate but for some reason i think Hughes rates him ? Adam will start next week and rightly so
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 22, 2013 19:11:39 GMT
Etherington on the left for me. Arnie on the right instead of Walters. If it's not broke don't fix it and as promising as Arnie was, Pieters was fucking wank.
Bego
Cameron Ryan Huth Pieters
Wilson Adam N'Zonzi
Etherington Jones Arnautovic
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 19:12:32 GMT
Walters at home to Norwich though mate? Walters needs replacing ASAP mate but for some reason i think Hughes rates him ? Adam will start next week and rightly so I don't mind Adam starting as he has still been (despite a hopeless performance today) one of our more creative players. That said i'd be happy enough to see Ireland given the chance too. Re Walters I just don't see how Assaidi or Pennant can possibly be any worse given JW cant score, cant create, misses sitters regularly and is also starting to make dodgy defensive errors! Hes totally and utterly fucking useless and hopefully Hughes has had enough and will bench him v Norwich for the first time in over a million games.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 19:14:37 GMT
Etherington on the left for me. Arnie on the right instead of Walters. If it's not broke don't fix it and as promising as Arnie was, Pieters was fucking wank. Bego Cameron Ryan Huth Pieters Wilson Adam N'Zonzi Etherington Jones Arnautovic Meh...Etherington has had plenty of chances over the past 2 and a bit years. Hes been largely abysmal throughout that period and doesn't deserve to be in the squad imo let alone the starting xi. We need to move on. That said...right now, i'd probably rather see him in the team than Walters
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Post by werrington on Sept 22, 2013 19:14:43 GMT
Etherington on the left for me. Arnie on the right instead of Walters. If it's not broke don't fix it and as promising as Arnie was, Pieters was fucking wank. Bego Cameron Ryan Huth Pieters Wilson Adam N'Zonzi Etherington Jones Arnautovic We need pace mate and Erherington just isn't at the races anymore He heeds phasing out
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2013 19:18:47 GMT
The back 4 picks itself. Likewise the front 3. There is one spot in the midfield three open just now (N'Zonzi and Wilson have the other two spots).
For that position, I'd play Adam, Palacios and Ireland at Tranmere (all 3 need the game time) and see how each does. Of the three, I'd quite like to see Palacios given a start - but I want him to earn it with a commanding display on Wednesday. I'm bored with Adam and i think Ireland has a way to go to get match fit.
BTW remember KJ got his starting spot on a Saturday after performing well in the mid week League Cup game, so Hughes does reward performance no matter what game is played.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 22, 2013 19:19:01 GMT
Just a coincidence that Pieters was dreadful today then? The only person from our opening few games who without any argument, any doubt or debate who should be binned off is Jon fucking Walters.
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Post by apb1 on Sept 22, 2013 19:31:18 GMT
I can envisage a very negative Norwich set up given they have had a poorish start. I think Crouch might play as his touch is better than Jones and there won't be space in behind for Jones as against some teams. Won't be surprised to see Adam start either.
Must really grab the game by scruff of the neck against them.
Back 5 picks itself
Arnie Nzonzi Adam Wilson Pennant Jones/Crouch
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 22, 2013 20:18:47 GMT
Begovic Cameron Shawcross Huth Pieters Arnautovic Wilson Ireland N'Zonzi Walters Jones Tin hat firmly on for picking walters At home to Norwich? Is it really necessary? I think so, doesn't matter to me who we are playing the work rate is still needed.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 20:25:35 GMT
At home to Norwich? Is it really necessary? I think so, doesn't matter to me who we are playing the work rate is still needed. Pennant works hard and offers far more going forward. Surely he is a better option in a game where we need attacking quality.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 20:28:24 GMT
Just a coincidence that Pieters was dreadful today then? The only person from our opening few games who without any argument, any doubt or debate who should be binned off is Jon fucking Walters. Pieters still got into good areas but his final ball was poor. I don't see how his poor crossing has any relation to whoever is in front of him. On about 3 occasions he couldn't beat the first man with his cross. That said he was defensively fine and still got into those decent forward areas.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 22, 2013 20:41:22 GMT
Just a coincidence that Pieters was dreadful today then? The only person from our opening few games who without any argument, any doubt or debate who should be binned off is Jon fucking Walters. I didn't think Pieters was awful at all. He did very little wrong from what I saw. In fact, from open play we looked rock solid and barely gave them a chance. From set pieces, we looked dreadful, both attacking wise and defensively. From a defensive perspective, there was a clear and deliberate attempt by Arsenal to ensure that each deadball totally bypassed our two outstanding centre halves and that opened up other areas for them to exploit courtesy of players who aren't so adept at defending their own goal, namely Walters. I can only really recall two chances that they created in open play, discounting the last Ramsey chance which Ireland created for him. Nowt wrong with our defensive performance in that aspect. They did very little outside of 3 set pieces and for long periods we were arguably the better side. We now have to start making sure we pick up the points our performances deserve because we will undoubtedly go through periods where we don't play this well.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 22, 2013 20:50:49 GMT
I think so, doesn't matter to me who we are playing the work rate is still needed. Pennant works hard and offers far more going forward. Surely he is a better option in a game where we need attacking quality. I disagree that Pennant works hard tbh, and I think Walters offers enough against teams such as Norwich, its the better teams in the league he's ineffective aginst going forward.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 20:55:39 GMT
Pennant works hard and offers far more going forward. Surely he is a better option in a game where we need attacking quality. I disagree that Pennant works hard tbh, and I think Walters offers enough against teams such as Norwich, its the better teams in the league he's ineffective aginst going forward. 13 goals that werent penos in 114 consecutive starts suggests otherwise mate
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Post by nik80 on Sept 22, 2013 21:00:15 GMT
I'd happily start with the side that started today. At home vs Norwich, that team will be fine, I'm sure.
Adam did have a shit game today but he was sound enough vs Palace and Man City, there's no need to panic and swap everything about.
Today wasn't the best but let's face it, our season is not defined by Arsenal away is it? Never has been, never will be.
Norwich at home on the other hand...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 22, 2013 21:01:29 GMT
I disagree that Pennant works hard tbh, and I think Walters offers enough against teams such as Norwich, its the better teams in the league he's ineffective aginst going forward. 13 goals that werent penos in 114 consecutive starts suggests otherwise mate How many goals for Pennant , please don't bring up the assist stats
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 22, 2013 21:09:16 GMT
13 goals that werent penos in 114 consecutive starts suggests otherwise mate How many goals for Pennant , please don't bring up the assist stats It goes without saying Pennant's assist stats shit all over Walters That aside though its worth noting that around 60-70 of Walters appearances under TP were up front in a central role..only last season and the start of this season has he been out wide regularly for us. Its also worth noting his goal return when played up front is equally as shit
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Sept 22, 2013 21:28:31 GMT
I think crouch, ireland, whelan, assaidi, shea et all play mid week and see if they do enough to get into next Saturdays team.
lets see how they do vs tranmere.
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Post by Han Solo on Sept 22, 2013 22:23:30 GMT
.......................Bego......................
GCam......Huth.......Ryan........Eric
....................Palacios....................
............NZonzi.........Ireland..........
...Assaidi.......................Arnautovic
..........................KJ.........................
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Sept 22, 2013 22:37:01 GMT
.......................Bego...................... GCam......Huth.......Ryan........Eric ....................Palacios.................... ............NZonzi.........Ireland.......... ...Assaidi.......................Arnautovic ..........................KJ......................... This is a good looking starter - palacios looks like hes raring to go, do a better job that wilson
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