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Post by BuzzB on Nov 17, 2017 23:04:41 GMT
Guardian today This week the US justice department court case sparked into life in New York. On Tuesday a prosecution witness alleged that Julio Grondona, a former senior vice-president at Fifa, had taken $1m in bribes to vote for Qatar to host the World Cup. The witness, Alejandro Burzaco, named a broadcast executive called Jorge Delhon as an intermediary. A few hours later Delhon was found dead by a railway siding in Buenos Aires. Police say all the signs suggest it was suicide. On Wednesday prosecution lawyers complained that one of the accused, the Peruvian FA head Manuel Burga, was making a repeated “slicing motion across his throat” in Burzaco’s direction as he gave evidence. Burga’s lawyer said his client had simply been scratching his throat as he suffers from dry skin. He called Burga a “gentle, meek, timid man”. Burga is accused of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering. On Thursday, and promising at least a little laughter in the dark, a court in Peru finally ordered the extradition to New York of 85-year-old Nicolás Leoz. The same Leoz who allegedly suggested the FA Cup should be renamed the Nicolás Leoz Cup in return for his World Cup vote and wandered across to the FA delegation at a drinks party and demanded a knighthood. All of which he denies, naturally.And this is the startling, inescapable fact about all this. The next three world and European tournaments were set in place by people who have since turned out to be corrupt. The men responsible may be gone, but their citadels still stand, just as Fifa’s 2010 double-bid ceremony remains football’s own calamitous meltdown, its waste still burning in the soil. Time for another score update: as we stand, of the 25 Fifa executives involved in the voting for Qatar and Russia 13 have either been banned from football or deemed demonstrably corrupt. Only three have escaped any stain at all. We counted them out. And we counted them back in again – at least the ones who weren’t in prison, banned, dead or hiding. In between those two World Cups is Euro 2020, which was called as a divvy-up between various host cities at a meeting in Lausanne in 2012. Since then Michel Platini, whose gig this was all along, has been banned from football. His deputy, Ángel María Villar, has been arrested on corruption charges, which he denies. I doubt the best of the best amongst authors couldn't come up with a better script! What a state our game is in.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 17, 2017 23:45:35 GMT
Guardian today This week the US justice department court case sparked into life in New York. On Tuesday a prosecution witness alleged that Julio Grondona, a former senior vice-president at Fifa, had taken $1m in bribes to vote for Qatar to host the World Cup. The witness, Alejandro Burzaco, named a broadcast executive called Jorge Delhon as an intermediary. A few hours later Delhon was found dead by a railway siding in Buenos Aires. Police say all the signs suggest it was suicide. On Wednesday prosecution lawyers complained that one of the accused, the Peruvian FA head Manuel Burga, was making a repeated “slicing motion across his throat” in Burzaco’s direction as he gave evidence. Burga’s lawyer said his client had simply been scratching his throat as he suffers from dry skin. He called Burga a “gentle, meek, timid man”. Burga is accused of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering. On Thursday, and promising at least a little laughter in the dark, a court in Peru finally ordered the extradition to New York of 85-year-old Nicolás Leoz. The same Leoz who allegedly suggested the FA Cup should be renamed the Nicolás Leoz Cup in return for his World Cup vote and wandered across to the FA delegation at a drinks party and demanded a knighthood. All of which he denies, naturally.And this is the startling, inescapable fact about all this. The next three world and European tournaments were set in place by people who have since turned out to be corrupt. The men responsible may be gone, but their citadels still stand, just as Fifa’s 2010 double-bid ceremony remains football’s own calamitous meltdown, its waste still burning in the soil. Time for another score update: as we stand, of the 25 Fifa executives involved in the voting for Qatar and Russia 13 have either been banned from football or deemed demonstrably corrupt. Only three have escaped any stain at all. We counted them out. And we counted them back in again – at least the ones who weren’t in prison, banned, dead or hiding. In between those two World Cups is Euro 2020, which was called as a divvy-up between various host cities at a meeting in Lausanne in 2012. Since then Michel Platini, whose gig this was all along, has been banned from football. His deputy, Ángel María Villar, has been arrested on corruption charges, which he denies. No one nation wanted to host Euro 2020 because the expansion to 24 teams meant the expense was too high to justify in the wake of the gfc. So why didn't they go and ask Germany to host it? Despite the obvious shyte surrounding Qatars bid they still hold hosting rights. As time goes on it gets harder to strip them too. And if FIFA ever launch another initiative to eradicate racism remember it's empty posturing. Russia hosting next year demonstrates that.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 28, 2018 10:48:32 GMT
Worker died in fall at 'lethal' Qatar World Cup stadium Zachary Cox, 40, plummeted 130ft (40m) at Khalifa International Stadium in Doha on 19 January last year.He sustained brain injuries and a broken neck in the fall, Brighton and Hove Coroner's Court heard.Mr Cox, who was born in Johannesburg but later lived in Hove and London, fell when a faulty hoist he was using to put a suspended walkway in place broke. His safety harness also snapped under the weight and he dropped head first. He was pronounced dead in hospital.After the inquest, Mr Cox's sisters-in-law Ella Joseph and Hazel Mayes called for an independent inquiry and for the Foreign Office to step in.
Don't suppose the FO will get involved, there are too many 'other considerations' to take into account.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 28, 2018 10:51:07 GMT
Worker died in fall at 'lethal' Qatar World Cup stadium Zachary Cox, 40, plummeted 130ft (40m) at Khalifa International Stadium in Doha on 19 January last year.He sustained brain injuries and a broken neck in the fall, Brighton and Hove Coroner's Court heard.Mr Cox, who was born in Johannesburg but later lived in Hove and London, fell when a faulty hoist he was using to put a suspended walkway in place broke. His safety harness also snapped under the weight and he dropped head first. He was pronounced dead in hospital.After the inquest, Mr Cox's sisters-in-law Ella Joseph and Hazel Mayes called for an independent inquiry and for the Foreign Office to step in.
Don't suppose the FO will get involved, there are too many 'other considerations' to take into account. Absolutely awful. Perfect explanation of how Qatar 2022 is arguably the most abhorrent sporting event of the modern era. The FA should pull us out. NB: Fully recommend subbing to that channel, has some great stuff.
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Post by Mendicant on Feb 28, 2018 15:52:50 GMT
He's got some cojones on him if he's tried grabbing at her. She looks proper mither.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2019 23:27:18 GMT
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Post by madnellie on Mar 25, 2019 2:56:07 GMT
He's got some cojones on him if he's tried grabbing at her. She looks proper mither. How did I miss this?! I'm amazed she didn't punch him out. She IS proper mither, I absolutely love her
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 25, 2019 9:05:46 GMT
Apparantly, if a minutes silence was held for every work who has died in the construction of the stadiums, the first 44 games would be played in complete silence ...
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Post by Northy on Mar 25, 2019 9:35:03 GMT
Apparantly, if a minutes silence was held for every work who has died in the construction of the stadiums, the first 44 games would be played in complete silence ... awful if true
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 25, 2019 9:45:44 GMT
fuck Qatar.
As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it?
My top 3 would be
1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan
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Post by kelw on Mar 25, 2019 10:30:27 GMT
Guardian today This week the US justice department court case sparked into life in New York. On Tuesday a prosecution witness alleged that Julio Grondona, a former senior vice-president at Fifa, had taken $1m in bribes to vote for Qatar to host the World Cup. The witness, Alejandro Burzaco, named a broadcast executive called Jorge Delhon as an intermediary. A few hours later Delhon was found dead by a railway siding in Buenos Aires. Police say all the signs suggest it was suicide. On Wednesday prosecution lawyers complained that one of the accused, the Peruvian FA head Manuel Burga, was making a repeated “slicing motion across his throat” in Burzaco’s direction as he gave evidence. Burga’s lawyer said his client had simply been scratching his throat as he suffers from dry skin. He called Burga a “gentle, meek, timid man”. Burga is accused of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering. On Thursday, and promising at least a little laughter in the dark, a court in Peru finally ordered the extradition to New York of 85-year-old Nicolás Leoz. The same Leoz who allegedly suggested the FA Cup should be renamed the Nicolás Leoz Cup in return for his World Cup vote and wandered across to the FA delegation at a drinks party and demanded a knighthood. All of which he denies, naturally.And this is the startling, inescapable fact about all this. The next three world and European tournaments were set in place by people who have since turned out to be corrupt. The men responsible may be gone, but their citadels still stand, just as Fifa’s 2010 double-bid ceremony remains football’s own calamitous meltdown, its waste still burning in the soil. Time for another score update: as we stand, of the 25 Fifa executives involved in the voting for Qatar and Russia 13 have either been banned from football or deemed demonstrably corrupt. Only three have escaped any stain at all. We counted them out. And we counted them back in again – at least the ones who weren’t in prison, banned, dead or hiding. In between those two World Cups is Euro 2020, which was called as a divvy-up between various host cities at a meeting in Lausanne in 2012. Since then Michel Platini, whose gig this was all along, has been banned from football. His deputy, Ángel María Villar, has been arrested on corruption charges, which he denies. I doubt the best of the best amongst authors couldn't come up with a better script! What a state our game is in. Always been corruption in football. Hardly a new thing. You can go back to previous World Cups, even 66 and find dubious goings on. England were allowed to play all their games at Wembley and when it didn't go as planned they were allowed to change their semi final venue at a late hour. If that had happened in say 78 am sure the fingers would have been pointing at Argentina. Bottom line is the WC going to Qatar was underhand but it is what is is now and the same for all teams.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 25, 2019 14:40:05 GMT
fuck Qatar. As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it? My top 3 would be 1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan Japan co-hosted it not long ago. Chile had the one before England. India- I'm not convinced they have the infastructure yet but maybe one for the future? Australia (with a few games in NZ?) would be the obvious choice. They're used to hosting big events, they have the stadia and at least there'd be no issues with getting a beer! Perhaps Canada as a leftfield choice? It's only a matter of time before China gets one.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 25, 2019 14:48:15 GMT
fuck Qatar. As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it? My top 3 would be 1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan Why Chile, out of interest?
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Post by madnellie on Mar 25, 2019 14:58:39 GMT
fuck Qatar. As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it? My top 3 would be 1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan Japan co-hosted it not long ago. Chile had the one before England. India- I'm not convinced they have the infastructure yet but maybe one for the future? Australia (with a few games in NZ?) would be the obvious choice. They're used to hosting big events, they have the stadia and at least there'd be no issues with getting a beer! Perhaps Canada as a leftfield choice? It's only a matter of time before China gets one. Canada will co-host in 2026. Would love it if Australia and NZ got one too!
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 25, 2019 16:06:17 GMT
fuck Qatar. As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it? My top 3 would be 1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan Why Chile, out of interest? i've never been there, and it looks like good fun
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 25, 2019 16:09:54 GMT
fuck Qatar. As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it? My top 3 would be 1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan Japan co-hosted it not long ago. Chile had the one before England. India- I'm not convinced they have the infastructure yet but maybe one for the future? Australia (with a few games in NZ?) would be the obvious choice. They're used to hosting big events, they have the stadia and at least there'd be no issues with getting a beer! Perhaps Canada as a leftfield choice? It's only a matter of time before China gets one. i love Japan, and i loved the very early morning kick off's down the pub, so i'm keeping them. 1962, if that's hat you mean? I think that's no eligible for a new tournament? india - having been, i know it's an absolute chaotic country, however, it would also be some of the most scenic world cups going. It would be crazy. australia and nz isn't a bad shout. They're simply lower down my personal list. Canada, as someone has mentioned, they have it soon, and I will be going to that one. Glorious country!
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Post by kelw on Mar 25, 2019 17:00:18 GMT
Greenland will probably get it before poor Australasia. No reason Australia and NZ shouldn't have been in line as the only continent not to host one.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 25, 2019 17:11:18 GMT
Why Chile, out of interest? i've never been there, and it looks like good fun It's long and thin. The nation equivalent of Peter Crouch - gets my vote.
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2019 17:36:49 GMT
fuck Qatar. As an aside, if you could have a World Cup anywhere outside of the normal countries hosting, where would you have it? My top 3 would be 1. Chile 2. India 3. Japan Japan co-hosted it not long ago. Chile had the one before England. India- I'm not convinced they have the infastructure yet but maybe one for the future? Australia (with a few games in NZ?) would be the obvious choice. They're used to hosting big events, they have the stadia and at least there'd be no issues with getting a beer! Perhaps Canada as a leftfield choice? It's only a matter of time before China gets one. Canada has 2026 (along with US and Mexico)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2020 21:28:02 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 6, 2020 22:10:12 GMT
As the international calendar is thrown to shit now could it disrupt the 2022 Qatar world cup planned schedule?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 23:41:33 GMT
USA always a good choice but Australasia deserves one. Should have got it before Africa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 10:01:08 GMT
In a time when football is insignificant I really hope this issue doesn’t go under the radar, Qatar should be stripped of their right to host the World Cup in two years. A shamble and crime from start to finish. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52197014
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Post by Northy on Apr 7, 2020 10:07:48 GMT
Finding the details of where the money came from through the shell companies is going to be the crux of it, but will Qatar be stripped of it at this late stage, I hope so, but doubt it. Would they be kicked out of it as Russia are, imagine that, not being able to play in your own tournament ?
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 8, 2020 9:31:00 GMT
Interesting reading that but if we're all being honest, we all know this was a stitch up from start to finish.
Where is the 2026 World Cup gonna be held?
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Post by boothenesque on Apr 8, 2020 10:19:43 GMT
Taking part in it, watching it, supporting it, is tacit approval of the process, the bribes, the exploitation of slave labour to make vast sums of money for people we now know are not key workers. We should get a backbone and some principles and tell them to shove it, we have better things to do and other priorities.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2020 10:56:52 GMT
Interesting reading that but if we're all being honest, we all know this was a stitch up from start to finish. Where is the 2026 World Cup gonna be held? USA Canada and Mexico
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Post by Northy on Apr 8, 2020 11:04:20 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2020 12:07:28 GMT
Yeah well.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 8, 2020 12:30:57 GMT
Host a joint one in Thailand and Vietnam
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