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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2013 19:38:23 GMT
He might have the tools in terms of size and pace - but not sure Arni has ever had a run as a striker, has he?
His finishing has been described as "very erratic"?
I'd be surprised if it was the plan to give him a run there - but who knows?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 2, 2013 19:39:19 GMT
He might have the tools in terms of size and pace - but not sure Arni has ever had a run as a striker, has he? His finishing has been described as "very erratic"? I'd be surprised if it was the plan to give him a run there - but who knows? To be fair if his finishing is erratic, he's in good company at Stoke!
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 2, 2013 19:39:31 GMT
I'm just not sure he's good enough to do it. Technically he's very poor and his finishing isn't brilliant. I can't remember any really good finishes (bar Tottenham away), he tends to bundle most goals in. His goalscoring record has never been fantastic, although I suppose he's at the right age now to hit a purple patch in his career. Your not thinking hard enough then. Liverpool at home, Walsall, Wembley. To name just a few without really thinking about it.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 2, 2013 19:42:07 GMT
On his day I also rate him but he is to hit and miss. I really hope he has a great season and proves me wrong but I just can't see it. Bullshit! You can't wait for him to have a bad game and Crouch to be back in the team. Well obviously because I think Crouch offers more? If jones gets in the team on merit then fair enough because I if that is the case I can see him on the bench a fair bit. He loses interest far to easy.
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Post by Pirate on Sept 2, 2013 19:43:18 GMT
On Saturday he looked relaxed ( in a positive way ), confident & really up for it. If he continues in this vain we would have to get someone bloody good to shift him!
He has to prove himself though,its now or never for Kenny, he is going to have quality either side of him. Really hope he pulls it off personally!!
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Post by Dave the Rave on Sept 2, 2013 19:43:22 GMT
I'm just not sure he's good enough to do it. Technically he's very poor and his finishing isn't brilliant. I can't remember any really good finishes (bar Tottenham away), he tends to bundle most goals in. His goalscoring record has never been fantastic, although I suppose he's at the right age now to hit a purple patch in his career. Your not thinking hard enough then. Liverpool at home, Walsall, Wembley. To name just a few without really thinking about it. Walsall?? None of those 3 finishes were brilliant. Liverpool? The one which he shouldered in? Wembley? Hardly a fantastic goal, he had very little to do. Jon Walters would have scored that.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 2, 2013 19:44:53 GMT
Bullshit! You can't wait for him to have a bad game and Crouch to be back in the team. Well obviously because I think Crouch offers more? If jones gets in the team on merit then fair enough because I if that is the case I can see him on the bench a fair bit. He loses interest far to easy. Obviously? So you want Jones to fail and Crouch to play just because you rate him more highly? How about accepting that the player in form will be picked in for the best interest of our football club and winning games?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 2, 2013 19:49:32 GMT
Well obviously because I think Crouch offers more? If jones gets in the team on merit then fair enough because I if that is the case I can see him on the bench a fair bit. He loses interest far to easy. Obviously? So you want Jones to fail and Crouch to play just because you rate him more highly? How about accepting that the player in form will be picked in for the best interest of our football club and winning games? No I don't want him to fail but I do expect him to revert to type. He has been the same wherever he has been. It is just his way. If he had been on form all the time he would be at a far bigger club the Stoke City.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 2, 2013 19:52:14 GMT
Obviously? So you want Jones to fail and Crouch to play just because you rate him more highly? How about accepting that the player in form will be picked in for the best interest of our football club and winning games? No I don't want him to fail but I do expect him to revert to type. He has been the same wherever he has been. It is just his way. If he had been on form all the time he would be at a far bigger club the Stoke City. I give up. I'm just glad the manager is picking the team based on form and not favoritism, is that better?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 2, 2013 19:55:52 GMT
No I don't want him to fail but I do expect him to revert to type. He has been the same wherever he has been. It is just his way. If he had been on form all the time he would be at a far bigger club the Stoke City. I give up. I'm just glad the manager is picking the team based on form and not favoritism, is that better? And that is how it should be. I expect to see Crouch start and Jones on the bench by the start of August.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 2, 2013 19:58:50 GMT
Bullshit! You can't wait for him to have a bad game and Crouch to be back in the team. Well obviously because I think Crouch offers more? If jones gets in the team on merit then fair enough because I if that is the case I can see him on the bench a fair bit. He loses interest far to easy. In what way(s) do you think Crouch offers more Staffordm?
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 2, 2013 20:02:27 GMT
I give up. I'm just glad the manager is picking the team based on form and not favoritism, is that better? And that is how it should be. I expect to see Crouch start and Jones on the bench by the start of August. I want us to win as many games as possible and CURRENTLY Jones is the better option for us to do that. If Jones form declines and Crouch perks up I'd be more than happy for him to start.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 2, 2013 20:05:11 GMT
And that is how it should be. I expect to see Crouch start and Jones on the bench by the start of August. I want us to win as many games as possible and CURRENTLY Jones is the better option for us to do that. If Jones form declines and Crouch perks up I'd be more than happy for him to start. I agree with that 100%. I just think that it is inevitable that he will lose his form as quick as he found it.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 2, 2013 20:07:57 GMT
Well obviously because I think Crouch offers more? If jones gets in the team on merit then fair enough because I if that is the case I can see him on the bench a fair bit. He loses interest far to easy. In what way(s) do you think Crouch offers more Staffordm? I just think that Crouches all round game is better. He holds the ball up better and lays it off and brings other into the game more. I think with the better service I hope the newbies bring Crouch will be more in the game than last season. I also think we will get more goals from mid field etc because of Crouch bringing the ball under control and laying it off to Adam, N'Zonzi and Walters.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 2, 2013 20:11:37 GMT
I want us to win as many games as possible and CURRENTLY Jones is the better option for us to do that. If Jones form declines and Crouch perks up I'd be more than happy for him to start. I agree with that 100%. I just think that it is inevitable that he will lose his form as quick as he found it. I gave my opinions earlier that under new management Jones COULD sustain his good form for longer periods. There were unnecessary contributing factors which put paid to his good form in previous seasons. Mistreatment by the manager and a failure to be considered a start no matter how well he performed. Combining that with a Striker who was nothing short of awful (towards the end of last season) getting picked ahead of him week-in, week-out must have battered his confidence. We'll see how he fairs with equal opportunity under MH.
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Post by slother on Sept 2, 2013 20:15:31 GMT
Give Crouch and Jones 6 months. If it's not working Agudelo arrives and we go back for Diouf.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 2, 2013 22:04:43 GMT
I agree with that 100%. I just think that it is inevitable that he will lose his form as quick as he found it. I gave my opinions earlier that under new management Jones COULD sustain his good form for longer periods. There were unnecessary contributing factors which put paid to his good form in previous seasons. Mistreatment by the manager and a failure to be considered a start no matter how well he performed. Combining that with a Striker who was nothing short of awful (towards the end of last season) getting picked ahead of him week-in, week-out must have battered his confidence. We'll see how he fairs with equal opportunity under MH. Jones may have struggled to get in the team since Crouch's arrival but he had a fair crack of the whip before that - let's not re-write history. Pulis thought highly enough of him to make him our club record signing of £8M, and not even the most ardent KJ fan can honestly say he has lived up to that price tag at any time since. So much so that TP had to admit his mistake by signing Crouch for even more money and risk. We all know what we will get from Jones - even when in form - 3 or 4 games of him being 'unplayable' then mediocrity and an air of can't be arsedness. He has done it every season, Crouch or no Crouch. Just ask Sunderland fans - they will agree. Even when Crouch had his teeth knocked out and KJ stepped up, it only lasted a couple of games and it was no surprise to me that Crouch was reinstated. All in all, don't pin your hopes on Kenwyne - you will be disappointed.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 3, 2013 8:26:46 GMT
if mark hughes is pinning all his hopes on kenwynne (which isnt a bad shout)
then you have to be serious
give this man a new contract now
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 3, 2013 9:12:34 GMT
I think the club have got themselves into a good position here.
I like Kenwyne, as we all know he has all the physical attributes to be a good Premier League striker. I thought he put himself about against West Ham, and he must know this is a massive opportunity for him.
I agree with Block 22, his finishing is underated. The goal against Liverpool he referred to was the second in the 2-0 win, where like against Walsall he ran onto a through ball and slotted a really cool finish 1 on 1. He should be unplayable in the air: his standing leap is bordering on super human. With better delivery and service he has a chance to do well this season. He is playing for a new contract here or a last big move - surely all the motivation he needs. He looks to be in possession of the central striking role right now.
If he doesn't deliver, Crouch too will be desperate to prove he isn't finished. I thought he was a little unlucky against Palace, and could easily have come off with a couple of goals. At home he offers something different. The ball sticks more with him and he is better at bringing other players in. If we have to be a bit more patient at home and play less on the break, this would suit him. We've even got Jon Walters as back up. Whatever you think of him, that central striker role is probably his favourite position. I think Arnie might be fourth choice here, but I only know what I've read about him on here.
If it still doesn't work out, we've got the raw talent of the Jaunuary Jaun (see what I did there ;-))but I think he will have a little to learn in The Premier League. Also, The pressure will increase on Hanover to move Diouf in January. Now they know of our interest but also know that we're not going to be taken for mugs. Or Stiens. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see us go back in for him in a stronger position as his contract runs down.
The squad looks better and we have a bit more pace with hopefully a better goal threat. Really exciting times ahead I hope. After the top 6, there is absolutely nothing to fear in this league this season. What an opportunity for Stoke City.
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