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Sept 1, 2013 8:23:19 GMT
Post by stokiejoe on Sept 1, 2013 8:23:19 GMT
The last boss did Owen no favours either. The difference in style will come into play either way depending on the level of success and the results, just as it does on here. At the risk of stating the obvious we owe more to Pullis than Owen; I don't really give a shit about Owen's time at Stoke. It didn't work out. He doesn't warrant any further attention. My point though isn't really about Owen specifically (I'm using him by him by way of appropriate illustration on this thread) but how media coverage generally, in the event of Hughes doing well will reflect negatively on Pullis, which IMO, is unfair. I never liked the negative one dimensional media coverage of one of Stoke's greatest managers (although that did mirror much of our play under Pulls last season!). But I am begging to hate, but will have to learn to accept, the sneering smart arse retrospective comments about the Capped One we are likely to get this season. My only point was that Pulis was neither a saint nor the devil incarnate, he achieved a lot of success for us. However, just as Moyes will be compared with Fergie, Pulis will be compared with Hughes whichever way it goes. If Hughes does badly it will reverse. I don't see how it could be otherwise.
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Sept 1, 2013 8:33:31 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Sept 1, 2013 8:33:31 GMT
At the risk of stating the obvious we owe more to Pullis than Owen; I don't really give a shit about Owen's time at Stoke. It didn't work out. He doesn't warrant any further attention. My point though isn't really about Owen specifically (I'm using him by him by way of appropriate illustration on this thread) but how media coverage generally, in the event of Hughes doing well will reflect negatively on Pullis, which IMO, is unfair. I never liked the negative one dimensional media coverage of one of Stoke's greatest managers (although that did mirror much of our play under Pulls last season!). But I am begging to hate, but will have to learn to accept, the sneering smart arse retrospective comments about the Capped One we are likely to get this season. My only point was that Pulis was neither a saint nor the devil incarnate, he achieved a lot of success for us. However, just as Moyes will be compared with Fergie, Pulis will be compared with Hughes whichever way it goes. If Hughes does badly it will reverse. I don't see how it could be otherwise. I'm just barking at the moon!
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Sept 1, 2013 8:59:49 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 1, 2013 8:59:49 GMT
The last boss did Owen no favours either. The difference in style will come into play either way depending on the level of success and the results, just as it does on here. At the risk of stating the obvious we owe more to Pullis than Owen; I don't really give a shit about Owen's time at Stoke. It didn't work out. He doesn't warrant any further attention. My point though isn't really about Owen specifically (I'm using him by him by way of appropriate illustration on this thread) but how media coverage generally, in the event of Hughes doing well will reflect negatively on Pullis, which IMO, is unfair. I never liked the negative one dimensional media coverage of one of Stoke's greatest managers (although that did mirror much of our play under Pulls last season!). But I am begging to hate, but will have to learn to accept, the sneering smart arse retrospective comments about the Capped One we are likely to get this season. The biggest factor behind Pulis's recent fall from grace is not the media, nor the fans but TP himself. If he had walked away after the Cup Final season his reputation would have been untarnished - forever! Of course, he didn't walk away - no reason why he should have done. But, instead of "pushing on", the team regressed from Cup Final Day onwards. We had a pretty dismal league season the following season in terms of our football, but our Europa League run made up for it to some extent. But the season just gone was as dire in terms of attractive football as most I can remember in almost 60 years. The holocaust season is the worst but, that apart, I certainly can't remember a top flight season which was more disappointing. I think the problem was that Peter Coates (rightly, in my opinion) lost faith in TP's credentials following the Crouch and Palacios transfers and saw the writing on the wall if the spending continued. When you break both your transfer record and your wage cap you expect an improvement in both playing style and in results - we got neither. I am a fully paid up rimmer. I'm massively proud of where we are now after a quarter of a century in the wilderness - and TP is a large part of why we are here. He was helped by the Coates' family money, of course, but other managers have had more and failed miserably. But, in the past two years, whilst TP increased his spending, the club went downhill in both playing style and results - and (although it pains me to say it) you really can't lay the blame at the door of anyone but the manager.
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Sept 1, 2013 10:12:29 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Sept 1, 2013 10:12:29 GMT
At the risk of stating the obvious we owe more to Pullis than Owen; I don't really give a shit about Owen's time at Stoke. It didn't work out. He doesn't warrant any further attention. My point though isn't really about Owen specifically (I'm using him by him by way of appropriate illustration on this thread) but how media coverage generally, in the event of Hughes doing well will reflect negatively on Pullis, which IMO, is unfair. I never liked the negative one dimensional media coverage of one of Stoke's greatest managers (although that did mirror much of our play under Pulls last season!). But I am begging to hate, but will have to learn to accept, the sneering smart arse retrospective comments about the Capped One we are likely to get this season. The biggest factor behind Pulis's recent fall from grace is not the media, nor the fans but TP himself. If he had walked away after the Cup Final season his reputation would have been untarnished - forever! Of course, he didn't walk away - no reason why he should have done. But, instead of "pushing on", the team regressed from Cup Final Day onwards. We had a pretty dismal league season the following season in terms of our football, but our Europa League run made up for it to some extent. But the season just gone was as dire in terms of attractive football as most I can remember in almost 60 years. The holocaust season is the worst but, that apart, I certainly can't remember a top flight season which was more disappointing. I think the problem was that Peter Coates (rightly, in my opinion) lost faith in TP's credentials following the Crouch and Palacios transfers and saw the writing on the wall if the spending continued. When you break both your transfer record and your wage cap you expect an improvement in both playing style and in results - we got neither. I am a fully paid up rimmer. I'm massively proud of where we are now after a quarter of a century in the wilderness - and TP is a large part of why we are here. He was helped by the Coates' family money, of course, but other managers have had more and failed miserably. But, in the past two years, whilst TP increased his spending, the club went downhill in both playing style and results - and (although it pains me to say it) you really can't lay the blame at the door of anyone but the manager. Agree with all you say - but I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of Pullis's time as manager. What I am referring to is how that time is being reported in the media in the context of what Hughes is doing in that Pullis's time is being presented completely negatively with no respect for all the good stuff he did. The balanced view you set out is too nuanced for our lazy press. They like simple one dimensional cliches. But, it ain't really worth bothering about; don't read opinion pieces in the papers and watch MOTD on catch up TV with the fast forward button primed.
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