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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:12:13 GMT
Him getting caught out didn't bother me tbh, I just think if You're going to start the play with the full backs You need full backs who can do it, I don't think Cameron can. It's asking too much of him. Whereas playing as a holding midfielder would imo suit him down to the ground.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 14:13:18 GMT
I'm not convinced right back is his best position bayern but I do think we have more about us than we would with any of the other options there. That DOES make us more vulnerable defensively but a change in style was always going to mean that. Only problem with Cameron yesterday was the fact that his crosses were shite. I accept that our CHs will have to adapt to less protection than they've enjoyed in the past and I always expected that to happen if we became more 'positive'. I think Huth was very good yesterday and I think Ryan will adapt just fine but he certainly struggled yesterday and I think we're really struggling if we want to lay that at anyone's feet other than Ryan himself. BTW: I also thought Peiters was MOTM (second half) I do actually like Cameron but us starting the majority of our attacks through him which is seemingly what we're doing scares the shit out of me. I think Wilson would be better suited to it and Cameron better suited to protect the centre halves by playing in midfield. Ryan had a stinker in the first half but was outstanding in the second. And with the goal neither covered themselves in glory but where was the midfield? One of them should have been in between the centre halves to offer protection as the full backs bomb forward. That's what's worrying me the most with this new set up, none of our midfielders want to defend, that needs to change. I agree that Cameron would be better in midfield but, as you say, which of NZonzi, Cameron and Adam is going to defend? All three are prone to giving the ball away in key areas at times. It would make for an exciting 'ride' I also agree that Ryan improved considerably in the second half (when he had far less pressure to deal with) He'll adapt just fine.....It all needs time and we're just two games in. I'm pretty encouraged!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:16:31 GMT
I do actually like Cameron but us starting the majority of our attacks through him which is seemingly what we're doing scares the shit out of me. I think Wilson would be better suited to it and Cameron better suited to protect the centre halves by playing in midfield. Ryan had a stinker in the first half but was outstanding in the second. And with the goal neither covered themselves in glory but where was the midfield? One of them should have been in between the centre halves to offer protection as the full backs bomb forward. That's what's worrying me the most with this new set up, none of our midfielders want to defend, that needs to change. I agree that Cameron would be better in midfield but, as you say, which of NZonzi, Cameron and Adam is going to defend? All three are prone to giving the ball away in key areas at times. It would make for an exciting 'ride' I also agree that Ryan improved considerably in the second half (when he had far less pressure to deal with) He'll adapt just fine.....It all needs time and we're just two games in. I'm pretty encouraged! I think Cameron would and I think he'd hold his position a lot better than the three who played in midfield yesterday. He'd give the ball away but barring N'Zonzi it's a speciality of every other midfielder we have! I don't think he that much pressure tbh, Palace never looked like scoring barring that goal which was just shite defending. It's a good lesson for him though and in those situations where he and Huth have split, just play it safe. Getting the midfield in the right place is the job of the manager. Where Wilson was is anyone's guess.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 14:21:58 GMT
Bayern: I agree mate ref Ryan. He wouldn't have struggled with the situations he did first half (last season) because he would have just taken the safe option. He needs to still do that sometimes and he'll find the right balance. I have no real worries about him.
The Wilson/Cameron swap could well be a better option. I'd worry about Cameron being 'disciplined' enough to stay in the 'holding' role but, as you say, the same worries apply to any of the other options we currently have.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:23:37 GMT
Me neither, I think against Liverpool and for 45 minutes yesterday he looked proper class. The right back, the midfield and the front 3 are where my worries lie!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 14:28:06 GMT
Me neither, I think against Liverpool and for 45 minutes yesterday he looked proper class. The right back, the midfield and the front 3 are where my worries lie! Well let's hope we have at least one new option to throw into the 'front three' problem by a week on Tuesday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:30:41 GMT
Me neither, I think against Liverpool and for 45 minutes yesterday he looked proper class. The right back, the midfield and the front 3 are where my worries lie! Well let's hope we have at least one new option to throw into the 'front three' problem by a week on Tuesday. I'm hoping for two tbh doz. I think we need a new striker and an inside forward desperately. None of the current front 3 are suited to it with how it currently is. I think Crouch and Walters could be. Crouch needs pace around him and Walters needs to play through the middle.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 14:38:14 GMT
Well let's hope we have at least one new option to throw into the 'front three' problem by a week on Tuesday. I'm hoping for two tbh doz. I think we need a new striker and an inside forward desperately. None of the current front 3 are suited to it with how it currently is. I think Crouch and Walters could be. Crouch needs pace around him and Walters needs to play through the middle. You KNOW I agree with the last comment bayern but I'd have no problem whatsoever replacing either or both if we could sign better. I honestly haven't got a clue what next week will bring in the transfer dept but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see one (or two) our strikers depart. It's strange to say so but, the only striker I'm certain will be here in a couple of weeks is Walters. That's him gone then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:41:08 GMT
I'm hoping for two tbh doz. I think we need a new striker and an inside forward desperately. None of the current front 3 are suited to it with how it currently is. I think Crouch and Walters could be. Crouch needs pace around him and Walters needs to play through the middle. You KNOW I agree with the last comment bayern but I'd have no problem whatsoever replacing either or both if we could sign better. I honestly haven't got a clue what next week will bring in the transfer dept but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see one (or two) our strikers depart. It's strange to say so but, the only striker I'm certain will be here in a couple of weeks is Walters. That's him gone then. I think Crouch might stay and I don't think Walters will have a look in through the middle tbh.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 14:49:22 GMT
You KNOW I agree with the last comment bayern but I'd have no problem whatsoever replacing either or both if we could sign better. I honestly haven't got a clue what next week will bring in the transfer dept but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see one (or two) our strikers depart. It's strange to say so but, the only striker I'm certain will be here in a couple of weeks is Walters. That's him gone then. I think Crouch might stay and I don't think Walters will have a look in through the middle tbh. I think one (or two) of Crouch/Jones/Jerome will be leaving (nothing clever about that) and that Walters is the only one 'certain' to stay. In a way, I hope you are right about Walters because he does need to not be the 'automatic' choice he's been this past few seasons. If we can sign another player to support the front man better than him then I'm all for it but Walters would still be an important squad member (IMO). I DO hope we sign a wide player to keep Walters off the right wing mind you.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:51:20 GMT
I think Crouch might stay and I don't think Walters will have a look in through the middle tbh. I think one (or two) of Crouch/Jones/Cameron will be leaving (nothing clever about that) and that Walters is the only one 'certain' to stay. In a way, I hope you are right about Walters because he does need to not be the 'automatic' choice he's been this past few seasons. If we can sign another player to support the front man better than him then I'm all for it but Walters would still be an important squad member (IMO). I DO hope we sign a wide player to keep Walters off the right wing mind you. I agree doz. I want a new front 3 like I said, I think we might see that but Brek Shea will be one of them. I quite like the look of him too.
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Post by fromtheusa on Aug 25, 2013 14:51:37 GMT
For the USA Cameron looks way better at holding mid then RB. Everything about his game looks better when he's in midfield.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 25, 2013 15:18:21 GMT
To those slagging off Shawcross he injured himself in the warm up and nearly didn't play and took him a while to shrug it off.
Crouch will stay no matter what happens as an alternative option. IF we get our targets in Jones, Jerome and Kightly will be off.
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Post by borat on Aug 25, 2013 15:25:22 GMT
Too often last season it was Shotton so it's an upgrade for me Shotton is better on the ball and at crossing imo. He's just a better right back. Shotton is better on the ball? Please tell me you're taking the piss? Shotton is better on the ball? Please tell me you are taking the piss? He's probably the worst I've ever seen with the ball in the premiership.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 15:53:08 GMT
To those slagging off Shawcross he injured himself in the warm up and nearly didn't play and took him a while to shrug it off. Crouch will stay no matter what happens as an alternative option. IF we get our targets in Jones, Jerome and Kightly will be off. 'Slagging him off'???? Or simply pointing out that he struggled in the first half? Which he did.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 16:01:07 GMT
Shotton is better on the ball and at crossing imo. He's just a better right back. Shotton is better on the ball? Please tell me you're taking the piss? Shotton is better on the ball? Please tell me you are taking the piss? He's probably the worst I've ever seen with the ball in the premiership. Nope, he is. A very underrated right back.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 25, 2013 16:05:28 GMT
I'd play Wilko in at right back.
I admit we'd lose a bit going forward though Wilko is a much better crosser than Cameron. However defensively his positioning is a lot better meaning that Shawcross/Huth won't have to cover for him constantly and Wilko can help cover for them when needed.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Aug 25, 2013 16:06:02 GMT
To those slagging off Shawcross he injured himself in the warm up and nearly didn't play and took him a while to shrug it off. Oh, right, and you're Ryan's brother then ? not a single word from anyone else, including the club or the player, on the fact that he injured himself
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 16:09:13 GMT
[quote source="/post/3990499/thread" timestamp="1377445988" author=" dozintheseventees" Oh, right, and you're Ryan's brother then ? not a single word from anyone else, including the club or the player, on the fact that he injured himself Hughes said it after the game.
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2013 18:23:01 GMT
For the USA Cameron looks way better at holding mid then RB. Everything about his game looks better when he's in midfield. i.e. where Wilson plays & Wilson looked better at RB (2011 mind) than Geoff does. I still don't think Geoff is as bad as I read on here but I would swap these two round myself.
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2013 18:23:45 GMT
[quote source="/post/3990499/thread" timestamp="1377445988" author=" dozintheseventees" Oh, right, and you're Ryan's brother then ? not a single word from anyone else, including the club or the player, on the fact that he injured himself Hughes said it after the game. casts a different light on his poor 1st half performance.
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