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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2013 18:35:09 GMT
We need a new right back if our manager thinks Cameron is the best player we have for that position. I think this thread is coming to a consensus. Is Mr Bowen reading?
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2013 18:37:20 GMT
Cameron has been excellent for us since he joined and has never let us down and had a good game today!
He needs to be able to settle into a position and not be played here one week and there the next.
We have a very good football player here so lets use him correctly.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 24, 2013 18:39:45 GMT
We need a new right back if our manager thinks Cameron is the best player we have for that position. I think this thread is coming to a consensus. Is Mr Bowen reading? I can see why Hughes plays him there as he's mobile and gets forward. Unfortunately he isn't very good and at worst I'd like to see Wilo there and at best a new right back. He's a real trier but he constantly gets caught in possession and attempts ridiculous flicks and passes in ludicrous areas.
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Post by robrigo on Aug 24, 2013 18:40:01 GMT
I can't see Cameron being right back, long term. Maybe until the January window. This will all take time to fall into place but i was really encouraged today. The signs are there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2013 18:40:51 GMT
Cameron has been excellent for us since he joined and has never let us down and had a good game today! He needs to be able to settle into a position and not be played here one week and there the next. We have a very good football player here so lets use him correctly. I'd say 90% of his games for us have been right back, so how long does he need?
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2013 18:44:50 GMT
Cameron has been excellent for us since he joined and has never let us down and had a good game today! He needs to be able to settle into a position and not be played here one week and there the next. We have a very good football player here so lets use him correctly. I'd say 90% of his games for us have been right back, so how long does he need? Yes but he has played other positions in between and for me has looked decent in all. Peiters on the other side was more worrying but i think he too will settle to the job in hand!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 24, 2013 18:48:49 GMT
I've never been a fan of Cameron I'm afraid. He left Ryan completely exposed (in a footballing sense) repeatedly. In the 2nd half Wilson recognised the problem and filled in several times at right back. That was Wilson doing exactly what a central midfielder should do in a team where the full backs push on. Think Dunga for Cafu We have prob Ems elsewhere to worry about, Cameron is a quick athlete able to cover the ground and with a reasonable ability to dribble. He also makes interceptions at key times. In the new style he is one of Hughes' banker picks. Clearly Wilko, Shotton and Wilson are not as good in this role and we need to spend our money elsewhere.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2013 18:49:46 GMT
I'd say 90% of his games for us have been right back, so how long does he need? Yes but he has played other positions in between and for me has looked decent in all. Peiters on the other side was more worrying but i think he too will settle to the job in hand! Hhhmmm, I'd go with ok at right back, awful at centre half, decent in midfield and shit behind the striker. Pieters was my MOM!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 18:53:09 GMT
Not sure i can take a season of Geoff at right back! Really shits me up, personally I'd like see the lad in midfield as his energy could be huge
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2013 18:54:20 GMT
Yes but he has played other positions in between and for me has looked decent in all. Peiters on the other side was more worrying but i think he too will settle to the job in hand! Hhhmmm, I'd go with ok at right back, awful at centre half, decent in midfield and shit behind the striker. Pieters was my MOM! Opinions! We all have em.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2013 18:56:31 GMT
Not sure i can take a season of Geoff at right back! Really shits me up, personally I'd like see the lad in midfield as his energy could be huge To be fair clyde the way we passing it around over kill was more worrying and it lead to Ryans double mistake for the goal!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 24, 2013 19:05:28 GMT
Thought he played very well today and was surprisingly good going forward Got to agree with you Mutters. I thought that he was actually exposed quite a lot in the 1st half and when he had the ball and tried to move down the right he had nobody within 20 yards to pass it to and still had to beat two men. I think the difference with the right as oppose to left is that Walters plays higher up the pitch than Etherington on the left so it leaves Cameron a little more exposed. Final ball is pretty piss poor and if he could deliver better I think he'd do alright.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 24, 2013 19:59:21 GMT
I agree with swapping GC and MW in terms of roles, I don't think MW has covered himself in glory considering he's a self confessed Midfielder IMO.
GC isn't the best player however he does have an uncanny knack of sticking a leg out and getting the ball, and I feel with his experience as a Center Back he'd be able to sit and protect the back 4 effectively.
This then leaves MW to use his exp from left back to convert onto his stronger foot into a more effective Right back.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 24, 2013 20:02:20 GMT
like cameron's energy but he is no right back
thought wilson did ok at times but we need mobility in midfield Adam is talented but slow and Nzonzi is a talented footballer with a shocking attitude , our midfield is a mess especially as our wide players are too slow
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Post by robstokie on Aug 24, 2013 20:07:13 GMT
Hes functional at best as a right back,ok defensively, just not good enough getting forward. Didnt TP initially bring him in as cover for centre mid (remember him having a decent game against arsenal at the brit last season at CM) and ended up playing him at full back when Wilko or shotton wasnt available?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 20:07:48 GMT
He's not a right back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2013 20:11:24 GMT
He is absolutely awful and he sees lots of the ball because the opposition let him have it knowing full well that he won't do anything with it.
He had countless chances to cross it today and he delivered 1 decent ball across the box. It is lucky dip with him because i'm fairly sure that he himself hasn't a clue where the ball is going to go.
Throw in the fact that he could lose his man in a phone box and after Walters and Crouch, both of whom were absolutely useless, Cameron was the worst player on the pitch by far.
In fact, of all the players that I've read about playing well today, the only one I agree with is Pieters. Wilson, Cameron, Crouch and Walters were absolutely awful. Awful maybe harsh on Wilson because he did do some good things, but he is so pedestrian it is unbelievable and he was the root cause, together with Walters and Crouch, for our fairly abysmal first half showing once we went a goal down.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Aug 25, 2013 10:51:22 GMT
From his very first appearance last year against Arsenal when he had a storming "impress the crowd and my family who have flown over and are in the stands" first 10 minutes when he tackled everything and played one great ball, and then had 80 minutes where he was anonymous (but got MOTM quite incredibly) I have thought him a Champ player at best. There aren't many Americans in the PL for one reason - their league is nowhere near ours, and it's easy to look great in it if you are better than mediocre. I just hope Shea won't be Cameron Mk 2
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2013 10:55:18 GMT
I thought he had a typical Geoff game
Some good tackles,some good posssion play,some good passes & 1 superb cross 2nd half which Crouch couldnt quite get on the end of. However he also made a fair few mistakes with ball & positionly.
Anyone else rather see him & Wilson swap roles?
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 25, 2013 11:09:36 GMT
He's a CB at the end of the day. Of course his crossing is going to be piss poor. He sometimes gives away the odd pass but anyone who thinks Wilko or Shotton will be an improvement is mental.
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Post by Donkey Oaty on Aug 25, 2013 11:28:32 GMT
Cameron is outstanding for USA team, maybe we play him out of position.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 25, 2013 12:01:27 GMT
I was surprised to see Hughes deciding Cameron as our no.1 right back , he must think he offers us something going forward. Maybe he'll give it a try for a few games and if he doesn't improve he may switch Cameron and Wilson around. I don't think we'd get a better right back than Wilson unless we paid a lot of money, he did very very well there during our best few months in the prem when we had our cup run, it's his best position by far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 12:46:11 GMT
I thought Geoff had a good game but the two weakest players were Marc Wilson and Walters yesterday.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 13:51:16 GMT
I've seen some rubbish in my life but this thread has brought them all out. Classic. I agree. I think Cameron looks like 'a footballer'. If we are to have a better outlook in terms of moving forward and creativity then we have to accept the fact that players like Cameron and Adam are a step forward. Both are (IMO) good on the ball but both are prone to making mistakes and sometimes giving the ball away to put us under pressure. It's a question of overall balance and asking ourselves if we look better with them in the team and (imo) WE DO. For some time now many (including me) have been saying that, if we go for a more positive approach, our central defenders will have more to cope with and will have to adapt. I still think that's the case and the person who struggled to adapt the most yesterday was Ryan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 13:53:38 GMT
I've seen some rubbish in my life but this thread has brought them all out. Classic. I agree. I think Cameron looks like 'a footballer'. If we are to have a better outlook in terms of moving forward and creativity then we have to accept the fact that players like Cameron and Adam are a step forward. Both are (IMO) good on the ball but both are prone to making mistakes and sometimes giving the ball away to put us under pressure. It's a question of overall balance and asking ourselves if we look better with them in the team and (imo) WE DO. For some time now many (including me) have been saying that, if we go for a more positive approach, our central defenders will have more to cope with and will have to adapt. I still think that's the case and the person who struggled to adapt the most yesterday was Ryan. His feet don't look like they're on the correct feet! You've convinced me he isn't one now though doz, so that's good! I preferred it when he just had to defend at right back, this attacking lark doesn't suit him.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 25, 2013 13:59:57 GMT
I've never been a fan of Cameron I'm afraid. He left Ryan completely exposed (in a footballing sense) repeatedly. In the 2nd half Wilson recognised the problem and filled in several times at right back. That was Wilson doing exactly what a central midfielder should do in a team where the full backs push on. Think Dunga for Cafu We have prob Ems elsewhere to worry about, Cameron is a quick athlete able to cover the ground and with a reasonable ability to dribble. He also makes interceptions at key times. In the new style he is one of Hughes' banker picks. Clearly Wilko, Shotton and Wilson are not as good in this role and we need to spend our money elsewhere. Couldnt agree more
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:01:57 GMT
Why allow the ball to played though so often through a player who isn't good with the ball? He can't cross for shit and his passing over anything longer than 10 yards is hit and miss. We should play more through Pieters imo, a much better footballer.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 14:02:08 GMT
I agree. I think Cameron looks like 'a footballer'. If we are to have a better outlook in terms of moving forward and creativity then we have to accept the fact that players like Cameron and Adam are a step forward. Both are (IMO) good on the ball but both are prone to making mistakes and sometimes giving the ball away to put us under pressure. It's a question of overall balance and asking ourselves if we look better with them in the team and (imo) WE DO. For some time now many (including me) have been saying that, if we go for a more positive approach, our central defenders will have more to cope with and will have to adapt. I still think that's the case and the person who struggled to adapt the most yesterday was Ryan. His feet don't look like they're on the correct feet! You've convinced me he isn't one now though doz, so that's good! I preferred it when he just had to defend at right back, this attacking lark doesn't suit him. I'm not convinced right back is his best position bayern but I do think we have more about us than we would with any of the other options there. That DOES make us more vulnerable defensively but a change in style was always going to mean that. Only problem with Cameron yesterday was the fact that his crosses were shite. I accept that our CHs will have to adapt to less protection than they've enjoyed in the past and I always expected that to happen if we became more 'positive'. I think Huth was very good yesterday and I think Ryan will adapt just fine but he certainly struggled yesterday and I think we're really struggling if we want to lay that at anyone's feet other than Ryan himself. BTW: I also thought Peiters was MOTM (second half)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 14:07:11 GMT
His feet don't look like they're on the correct feet! You've convinced me he isn't one now though doz, so that's good! I preferred it when he just had to defend at right back, this attacking lark doesn't suit him. I'm not convinced right back is his best position bayern but I do think we have more about us than we would with any of the other options there. That DOES make us more vulnerable defensively but a change in style was always going to mean that. Only problem with Cameron yesterday was the fact that his crosses were shite. I accept that our CHs will have to adapt to less protection than they've enjoyed in the past and I always expected that to happen if we became more 'positive'. I think Huth was very good yesterday and I think Ryan will adapt just fine but he certainly struggled yesterday and I think we're really struggling if we want to lay that at anyone's feet other than Ryan himself. BTW: I also thought Peiters was MOTM (second half) I do actually like Cameron but us starting the majority of our attacks through him which is seemingly what we're doing scares the shit out of me. I think Wilson would be better suited to it and Cameron better suited to protect the centre halves by playing in midfield. Ryan had a stinker in the first half but was outstanding in the second. And with the goal neither covered themselves in glory but where was the midfield? One of them should have been in between the centre halves to offer protection as the full backs bomb forward. That's what's worrying me the most with this new set up, none of our midfielders want to defend, that needs to change.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 25, 2013 14:10:12 GMT
The stats may say differently but i thought both fullbacks had much more of the ball than they would under Pulis. Lets remember its all a little new for most of our players. In my opinion Cameron is never a centre half in a million years. His athleticism probably gets him the nod at right back, but i think he can come gpod there. Crossing is hit and miss and maybe he did get caught out but so did Peiters occasionally. This is where we need a holding midfielder allowing the other players to play.
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