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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Aug 24, 2013 11:51:39 GMT
On the evidence of the friendlies and the Liverpool game, plus the fact we haven't improved our chances of putting the ball in the back of the net by getting players in who can score, it's a resounding no. Loathe that I am to say it I'm with Robbie Savage on this, we'll go down this season unless something dramatic happens in the next few days. The fact that Walters was in the starting line up and took the penalty tells us all that nothing's changed. Ok, so we passed the ball a bit more, whoopie do! You can pass it around to your heart's content but if you don't score you don't win, simples.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 24, 2013 12:27:20 GMT
Other than the signing of a left back offering balance, until we sign someone who can regularly create guilt edge chances or put the ball in the back of the net I would say no.
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Post by musik on Aug 24, 2013 13:04:09 GMT
Shawcross did not only pull shirts and play long balls. That was the huge difference! The game vs Lpool also showed how much we missed the best player in our squad last season, Wilson, from start.
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Post by enuntio on Aug 24, 2013 23:16:54 GMT
Sometimes the long ball is The Ball To Play No excusesb needed just pace and flair Our next match will be interesting, they'll go and play some passing football ;-)
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Post by enuntio on Aug 31, 2013 21:04:13 GMT
Didn't get to see this game but the Stats mst be better for 3 games thanthey were for 3 months last season. Now all we need is more goals and another 34 points. Better and Better
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Post by enuntio on Sept 15, 2013 20:52:03 GMT
Saturday's game was a damn good showing, best 0-0 I've seen in a long time. We are 3 points better off than this time last season but more importantly miles better off in our approach and now we actually shoot at goal. A tricky one next week. ooh don't we just RSole Wenger
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 21:15:40 GMT
On the evidence of the friendlies and the Liverpool game, plus the fact we haven't improved our chances of putting the ball in the back of the net by getting players in who can score, it's a resounding no. Loathe that I am to say it I'm with Robbie Savage on this, we'll go down this season unless something dramatic happens in the next few days. The fact that Walters was in the starting line up and took the penalty tells us all that nothing's changed. Ok, so we passed the ball a bit more, whoopie do! You can pass it around to your heart's content but if you don't score you don't win, simples. Still think we will go down? Long way to go but I would say out of the 4 games played, we have put in 2 fantastic performances and 2 ok. Only 1 decent game last season was Liverpool game a few ok and majority boring. If we carry on the way we are with the same tempo to the game I can't see us outside of the top 10.
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Post by stevebigsmokestoke on Sept 16, 2013 9:58:30 GMT
A LOT BETTER
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2013 11:58:50 GMT
The rapidity of the change of style is bordering on the unbelievable and we will only get better but we still massively struggle to score goals. It's early days but we've probably only played one poor half of football and are already averaging less than a goal a game. A new central striker (on top of Agudelo) is an absolute must for January
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 12:02:30 GMT
Yes, we seem to have far more strings to our bow now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 16, 2013 12:03:31 GMT
It's too early to say and whilst I agree with MoMo about the need for a striker who can score goals, we are at least creating way more chances than we did at any point last season and indeed, the season before.
We are currently playing our best football since the run to the Cup Final and we now need a goal to drop for both KJ and Walters, if he is going to persist with him.
As frustrating as it was for me to watch Walters cost us again, it has to be said, that in a 4-3-3 (I thought we were more of a 4-4-1-1 on Saturday to match up against them) our wide forwards have to be a goal threat. Walters had a good shot well saved at Anfield and missed a penalty, missed a sitter at West Ham and should have scored twice yesterday. I can't recall anyone else who has featured wide so far this season having a single chance.
We are creating chances. Now we have to take some of them to get the real rewards that our play seemingly deserves. We should have won on Saturday and won comfortably.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 16, 2013 12:05:39 GMT
How better, I don't know???? But far better to watch, and already a win away from home, with the performance to match!!!!!!!
Just need a forward player who's more suited to the premiership than the championship to top it off!!!!!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 16, 2013 12:35:00 GMT
Are we better than last season?
I can't believe this is a serious question
I've been to Anfield Upton Park..Palace & Cit-eh games and the change in how we are playing is remarkable
We are getting better every game
We are passing the ball
There is movement off the ball
Nzonzi is out of his cage
The players look comfortable on the ball
We are shooting more
You only had to listen to the standing ovations at WHU and Satdee to know how Stoke fans feel
If Walters had not missed that penalty and squandered an open goal against Cit-eh we would now be level Top..playing some exciting decent football
An unbelievable start by Sparky
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Post by gothicstokelover on Sept 16, 2013 14:45:33 GMT
Really? That was just as shit as before if not worse. Instead of hoofing it we now just pass it crab like. Defending at times was shocking and the outlet up front was mostly not there. If we don't make any signings we are playing in the champ next season. You really are a jolly soul. Although I find your comments the most pointless reading I've seen in a while.
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Post by dapperdave on Sept 16, 2013 15:08:54 GMT
Better on the eye no doubt.But still were are not scoring enough goals and if we don't start doing so soon, it will come back and bite us in the bum.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 16, 2013 15:30:14 GMT
Really? That was just as shit as before if not worse. Instead of hoofing it we now just pass it crab like. Defending at times was shocking and the outlet up front was mostly not there. If we don't make any signings we are playing in the champ next season. You really are a jolly soul. Although I find your comments the most pointless reading I've seen in a while. Well don't read them then you tit. And try and keep up that was weeks ago. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 16, 2013 15:30:40 GMT
Better on the eye no doubt.But still were are not scoring enough goals and if we don't start doing so soon, it will come back and bite us in the bum. Give it chance for christakes. We've played 4 matches, 2 against the top sides. 1 more away from home. We are unlikely given these three fixtures to have scored more than 1 or 2 goals. We scored 1. Pretty much par for the course. At home, against the side you'd expect us to do well against we got 2. Again pretty much par for the course. We're creating chances. Most strikers outside of the real crème de la crème will put away up to 1 in 3 good chances. I don't think we're doing too much worse than that are we? The goals will come. Just give it time.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 16, 2013 15:30:52 GMT
Double post.
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Post by dapperdave on Sept 16, 2013 15:43:09 GMT
Does the word [ IF ]mean nothing in your head.christake
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2013 15:52:15 GMT
Once we get the pace in the side on a regular n basis we will be a different proposition up front
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2013 15:58:17 GMT
Once we get the pace in the side on a regular n basis we will be a different proposition up front Agreed Wezza. Get 2 of Pennant, Assaidi and Arnie in the side and we will be a far more effective proposition. The sooner we move on from Walters and Etherington the better.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2013 16:03:12 GMT
Once we get the pace in the side on a regular n basis we will be a different proposition up front He has the pace options now Wez, as yet he seems to take the ceaseless work rate of Walters and the experience of Etherington as more useful, at least for now. I think anyone expecting Walters to be eased out of the side anytime soon is in for some disappointment. We need an out and out goalscorer. They cost a lot but if we get one the sky can be the limit.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 16, 2013 16:03:49 GMT
Once we get the pace in the side on a regular n basis we will be a different proposition up front Agreed Wezza. Get 2 of Pennant, Assaidi and Arnie in the side and we will be a far more effective proposition. The sooner we move on from Walters and Etherington the better. Pace and Pennant don't belong together, he has lost his and isn't right for a 4-3-3.Walters is required if we play Arny on the other side to give us some extra workrate. Who knows what Assaidi is like? A few weeks ago Shea was flavour of the month. Yes Walters missed chances but he got into good positions coming off his wing. We are streets ahead of last year and much better than I ever thought these players could be. We might have the best all round back four, Stoke City has ever had and I saw Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic many times
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2013 16:07:23 GMT
Once we get the pace in the side on a regular n basis we will be a different proposition up front He has the pace options now Wez, as yet he seems to take the ceaseless work rate of Walters and the experience of Etherington as more useful, at least for now. I think anyone expecting Walters to be eased out of the side anytime soon is in for some disappointment. We need an out and out goalscorer. They cost a lot but if we get one the sky can be the limit. I thought Walters played well in the 2nd half Saturday mate But I do think over a period of time Walters and Etherington will be the ones phased out Assaidi , Arnie and Shea will see to that
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2013 16:11:17 GMT
Agreed Wezza. Get 2 of Pennant, Assaidi and Arnie in the side and we will be a far more effective proposition. The sooner we move on from Walters and Etherington the better. Pace and Pennant don't belong together, he has lost his and isn't right for a 4-3-3.Walters is required if we play Arny on the other side to give us some extra workrate. Who knows what Assaidi is like? A few weeks ago Shea was flavour of the month. Yes Walters missed chances but he got into good positions coming off his wing. We are streets ahead of last year and much better than I ever thought these players could be. We might have the best all round back four, Stoke City has ever had and I saw Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic many times Ay? How can you say Pennant isn't suited to the system we are currently playing? We were a better team at Anfield after his introduction, he had 2 assists against Walsall and completely changed (and ultimately won us) the game at West Ham. So that's nonsense. Also worth noting Pennant can beat his man...something neither Etherington and Walters are capable of doing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2013 16:13:08 GMT
He has the pace options now Wez, as yet he seems to take the ceaseless work rate of Walters and the experience of Etherington as more useful, at least for now. I think anyone expecting Walters to be eased out of the side anytime soon is in for some disappointment. We need an out and out goalscorer. They cost a lot but if we get one the sky can be the limit. I thought Walters played well in the 2nd half Saturday mate But I do think over a period of time Walters and Etherington will be the ones phased out Assaidi , Arnie and Shea will see to that He always contributes something due to his insane commitment and work rate, sadly in front of goal he makes Martin Carruthers look like Gary Lineker.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2013 16:14:36 GMT
I'm also fucking sick of this bullshit myth that Pennant and Arnautovic don't have a good work rate. I love how people resort to out and out lying these days in order to justify Walters selection. One poster on here claimed after the City game that Walters created some good chances despite contradicting stats proving that Walters created a total of 0 chances all game.
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Post by dapperdave on Sept 16, 2013 16:19:22 GMT
The quicker you accept rossi, that most of the new signings are bench warmers the better.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 16, 2013 16:21:59 GMT
Where was Pennant on Sat? I have obviously missed that thread. ![:|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/6JdisLn3stCA_UWNYciF.gif)
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2013 16:22:32 GMT
The quicker you accept rossi, that most of the new signings are bench warmers the better. You really think he's brought in the likes of Arnautovic to sit on the bench?
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